Stealing Zimpy's Idea (Hou / Mia / Nop)

[K_chile22]

I think he's hanging the hat on the rookie season because yeah he's looked bad this season.

I really don't think he did look bad before the rotation tighted his threes just were not falling at all which is probably just small sample theater, always been a good shooter. Not saying other teams should value him but I don't think he's as bad as his minute totals suggest, just a 20 yo on a roster with a ton of dudes at a position with a ton of dudes
And I like to think I'm on of the more critical rockets fans, or at least that's what people yell at me on Twitter over

The sample size is basically meaningless. He's played less than 2 games of minutes. And I'll admit I've personally witnessed probably only a handful of those minutes. But the numbers suggest he's been bad beyond not hitting his jumpers. Rebounding is down, stocks are down, the offense with him on the court is busto. Team is infinitely better when he's not on the court, etc...

I'm not trying to say he has no value. I assume there are still teams that like him and would give something. I don't think he lets you turn meh expirings into Jimmy Butler though. Even if Miami is one of the teams that likes him.

Calling him a high level prospect is a stretch though obviously.

On/off with that sample is even more useless than the shooting lol I like Cam well enough to value him as a first for the rockets but don't expect others to value him much at all

[LarsV8]

It's kind of a massive disagreement, though. You see him as the centerpiece for an all-star whereas the rest of the world sees him as a light sweetener. I mean, no one outside of the Houston fanbase seems to agree with you, which might give you a better indication of where you're at.

That's fine, we can ultimately just wait and see what happens, that's the beauty of the trade speculation game.
- We can see what Butler (and Ingram) are moved for, if at all...later this season.
- We can see what Cam turns into years down the line, and look back.

Massive disagreements in value happen all the time, because everyone values things differently, including GMs of teams.

[zimpy27]

I really don't think he did look bad before the rotation tighted his threes just were not falling at all which is probably just small sample theater, always been a good shooter. Not saying other teams should value him but I don't think he's as bad as his minute totals suggest, just a 20 yo on a roster with a ton of dudes at a position with a ton of dudes
And I like to think I'm on of the more critical rockets fans, or at least that's what people yell at me on Twitter over

The sample size is basically meaningless. He's played less than 2 games of minutes. And I'll admit I've personally witnessed probably only a handful of those minutes. But the numbers suggest he's been bad beyond not hitting his jumpers. Rebounding is down, stocks are down, the offense with him on the court is busto. Team is infinitely better when he's not on the court, etc...

I'm not trying to say he has no value. I assume there are still teams that like him and would give something. I don't think he lets you turn meh expirings into Jimmy Butler though. Even if Miami is one of the teams that likes him.

Calling him a high level prospect is a stretch though obviously.

On/off with that sample is even more useless than the shooting lol I like Cam well enough to value him as a first for the rockets but don't expect others to value him much at all

You can point to low minutes and you're right but I think the concern is the low minutes he's getting. He hasn't shown to provide much outside of scoring and he hasn't been hitting shots well. These type of players need to show consistency to get minutes, it doesn't always come off. Cam Thomas is an example of a guy who was in and out for a long time before getting a stable spot.

If he was a decent prospect he'd be getting minutes on the Rockets. At least more than Landale and Aaron Holiday.

If Houston know more and are high on him then they probably need to keep him, other teams can only go by what they can see.

Remove Cam from the deal and throw out an FRP or 2 instead.

[saints63213]

Asa pelicans fan I would rather see Ingram just walk or see what the pelicans get in sign and trade in off season.
Whitmore has very little value, pelicans have Jordan Hawkins as a young SG that is similar to him anyway...

[Mavrelous]

I have this as very close fair value TBH, if someone is owed value it's the Pelicans, not the Heat.
Butler is 35, looking for a big payday, whoever is trading for him is trading for his next contract headache, Ingram is injured and with toxic contract situation by himself...

[Texas Chuck]

I really don't think he did look bad before the rotation tighted his threes just were not falling at all which is probably just small sample theater, always been a good shooter. Not saying other teams should value him but I don't think he's as bad as his minute totals suggest, just a 20 yo on a roster with a ton of dudes at a position with a ton of dudes
And I like to think I'm on of the more critical rockets fans, or at least that's what people yell at me on Twitter over

The sample size is basically meaningless. He's played less than 2 games of minutes. And I'll admit I've personally witnessed probably only a handful of those minutes. But the numbers suggest he's been bad beyond not hitting his jumpers. Rebounding is down, stocks are down, the offense with him on the court is busto. Team is infinitely better when he's not on the court, etc...

I'm not trying to say he has no value. I assume there are still teams that like him and would give something. I don't think he lets you turn meh expirings into Jimmy Butler though. Even if Miami is one of the teams that likes him.

Calling him a high level prospect is a stretch though obviously.

On/off with that sample is even more useless than the shooting lol I like Cam well enough to value him as a first for the rockets but don't expect others to value him much at all

Sure.

But again...if he's not playing, and the metrics when he does play are mostly terrible....I feel that's worth bringing up when we are told this is a very high level prospect(I know this is not your position).

I think the OP valuation is likely influenced by him being projected higher in the draft 2 years ago and feeling like Houston got a steal. He then played and put up some numbers as a rookie only solidifying that belief. But if Free Roddy B taught me anything, one encouraging rookie season doesn't mean much when its not followed up.

[RollingWave]

The question really is who's more desperate to make a move, Houston seems entirely content to do nothing, Miami at least isn't sounding like they must do this now. the Pelicans are probably the more desperate of the bunch to just make a move I guess.

Houston kinda has the too many guys issue too, adding Butler without trading any of their main rotation guys probably doesn't help that, but among their main guys only Brooks kinda make sense for this deal, though the Rockets certainly don't see him as negative value in deals you'd think. while others might, making it more problematic.

Anyway, I think the Rocket's main plan right now is to wait for someone more of the Devin Booker timeline to shake loose, if they can get Jimmy on the cheap they probably do it, but then we're back to why would Miami do that part, though deadlines does make for weird trades sometimes.