PG: Knicks vs ATL

[Capn'O]

if we were on Boston’s level like you guys said we were

I'll humor this. Find that quote from me.

[HEZI]

but it’s Mikal.

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

"but it's Mikal"

That guy had a 48% 2 point percentage and was shooting 39% from 3-10 feet

He’s in the 60s this year because he’s playing a role he’s more suited for. Less ball handling and more getting to his spots off ball. Hes not someone you give the ball to for creating offense, he’s a guy you want getting to his spots off the ball. Yes it’s Mikal

But YouTube highlight clips are great though

[NoDopeOnSundays]

but it’s Mikal.

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

"but it's Mikal"

That guy had a 48% 2 point percentage and was shooting 39% from 3-10 feet

He’s in the 60s this year because he’s playing a role he’s more suited for. Less ball handling and more getting to his spots off ball. Hes not someone you give the ball to for creating offense, he’s a guy you want getting to his spots off the ball. Yes it’s Mikal

He's a worse player with us than he was with the Nets, that's not Tom's fault.


He was in the 81st percentile as a PnR ball handler with the Nets, yes just go stand in the corner and be efficient and worse now under Tom. He is at .94ppp as PnR ball handler this year, nobody is saying he's Luka, but give him more chances on the ball. Nope, not Tom's fault for extracting less from him than Jacque Vaughn


Bro just spare me all the jumping through hoops, nothing is Thibs fault to you, I get it.

[3toheadmelo]

He dropped a ball on him and walked off, he came out the next half and went 3-10. What Nerlens and Solomon did were tough, what Randle did is what losers do when things don't go their way.

Nah, he wasn’t dodging smoke from anyone like this team does.

We lost that game, we lost that series.

And we lost last night letting Trae young be untouched

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Nah, he wasn’t dodging smoke from anyone like this team does.

We lost that game, we lost that series.

And we lost last night letting Trae young be untouched

Only person that touched him was Nerlens, the former Knick just dropped a ball and left, that was a Drake move.

[3toheadmelo]

if we were on Boston’s level like you guys said we were

I'll humor this. Find that quote from me.

I’ll humor this. I don’t need to.

[3toheadmelo]

We lost that game, we lost that series.

And we lost last night letting Trae young be untouched

Only person that touched him was Nerlens, the former Knick just dropped a ball and left, that was a Drake move.

And what we did last night was worse than Drake. Had us looking like Dax

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[Chanel Bomber]

Guan0 spending the whole day at therapy over this including lunch

[rajajackal]

this **** has dethroned the cavs game as the L that's angered me most. they let trae young make a meme on the garden wood. we need to have a better gameplan for the teams that stick length on jb pause

[Fat Kat]

Are we really out here letting Melo get away with saying Randle would have saved us... against the Hawks... in a playoff like atmosphere???

I mean, he keeps admitting he's just trolling, so yeah.

I have two young kids and I don't know if I've seen as big a tantrum as the reaction to that trade. It's embarrassing.

How long do we have to put up with it outside of the around the league thread?

[robillionaire]

Guan0 spending the whole day at therapy over this including lunch

That’s where I’m at today. Don’t even really feel like talking about it. Hope this team that we are locked into for the next decade figures it out at some point, I’m not searching for the answers

Sure this was just one game in December. Sure, the hawks have beaten other good teams. Yes more time together could help. But this was certainly not the kind of performance that inspires any sort of optimism about winning a title in the spring or beyond.

[HerSports85]

We lost that game, we lost that series.

And we lost last night letting Trae young be untouched

Only person that touched him was Nerlens, the former Knick just dropped a ball and left, that was a Drake move.

i applaud the drake slander

[3toheadmelo]

I mean, he keeps admitting he's just trolling, so yeah.

I have two young kids and I don't know if I've seen as big a tantrum as the reaction to that trade. It's embarrassing.

How long do we have to put up with it outside of the around the league thread?

Idk maybe when you guys stop posting about him in every thread and instigating

[Fury]

It'll be okay guys. This team is still winning the title.

[Chanel Bomber]

We clearly won the Randle trade.

The main issue comes from the loss of iHart and Mitch.

Mikal doesn't make up for the loss of either defensively even as we transitioned to a more perimeter-based defense. This isn't even an anti-Mikal stance - he's played fine over the last few weeks (though never worth the draft capital he cost).

If Mikal played like Caruso on defense, then it would significantly mitigate the loss of rim protection and stabilize the defense even as we transition to a more perimeter-heavy defense to keep our lack of rim protection from being exposed.

But Mikal isn't Caruso. And we can't expect him to be. He can't make up for the loss of defensive impact that Mitch and iHart provided, despite his reputation as a rangy defender.

In any case, the Hawks are a decent team. Losing against them isn't great, but it's not as damning as losing to Detroit. We should be winning those games though.

[robillionaire]

I have two young kids and I don't know if I've seen as big a tantrum as the reaction to that trade. It's embarrassing.

How long do we have to put up with it outside of the around the league thread?

Idk maybe when you guys stop posting about him in every thread and instigating

And that won’t ever happen. In a way I enjoy knowing that while you can trade away the player the memory will live on forever permanently branded on the psyche of all who watched. It’s almost like he never left. Did we win? Wow we look so much better without him just look at the ball movement! Did we lose? Woulda won with him. We didn’t play today? Let’s just talk about him for the hell of it. Let’s watch his new teams games. What are fans of his new team saying today? Are we watching the Knicks game in the game thread? Let’s post pictures of him. It’s truly a forever thing and it’s beautiful. The embodiment of once a Knick always a Knick

[HEZI]

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

"but it's Mikal"

That guy had a 48% 2 point percentage and was shooting 39% from 3-10 feet

He’s in the 60s this year because he’s playing a role he’s more suited for. Less ball handling and more getting to his spots off ball. Hes not someone you give the ball to for creating offense, he’s a guy you want getting to his spots off the ball. Yes it’s Mikal

He's a worse player with us than he was with the Nets, that's not Tom's fault.


He was in the 81st percentile as a PnR ball handler with the Nets, yes just go stand in the corner and be efficient and worse now under Tom. He is at .94ppp as PnR ball handler this year, nobody is saying he's Luka, but give him more chances on the ball. Nope, not Tom's fault for extracting less from him than Jacque Vaughn


Bro just spare me all the jumping through hoops, nothing is Thibs fault to you, I get it.

Less efficient? He broke his own jumpshot and our offense actually generates good looks for him. He still settles for the worst shot selection on the team. He’s gotten plenty of opportunities to take shots off the dribble but rather than attacking the paint he settles for off balance middys and even then he’s much better than he was in Brooklyn. You want him to just be an inefficient chucker like he was on that bad Nets team like that’s who we are trying to be. If he didn’t break his own jumper and could shoot 3s he would be having the best season of his career statistically. He’s in the best role for his skill set, problem is he just isn’t as good as hyped up to be.

[RHODEY]

I would like us to start experimenting with bigger lineups. And I would also like us to play with more pace.

I think so too. If teams are killing us on the boards, Josh Hart can't be our only weakside rebounding option. Thibs needs to find a unit he trusts when big teams get physical and the players stop winning loose ball battles.

We need to also need to address the Mitch Situation. I'm hearing now it won't be till late January or February for him to return. Can we afford to wait that long?

And if we decide to make a trade can we even expect to get a Kessler type outside of Kessler? Is such a player even available on the open Market? Can we afford that player? Because if not I'm not sure we wil have what it takes to consider ourselves a threat to team like Boston or OKC. We have fits now with this young athelic , big teams like the Rockets and Hawks...

One of the authors for KFTV is taking trade suggestions, so I've been in trade machines trying to find deals that would make sense for the Knicks AND the other squad. But with the limitations of first/second aprons on teams, I haven't found a damned thing that I like. We have a really slim amount of wiggle room to make things work barring some Brock Aller magic.

Also: If anyone has trade ideas, my recap for today ends with a submission link. So you can submit your ideas to Jalen, and he may include you in the article. I ran a OG trade scenario last season

This is why I'm hoping and praying that MCcullar turns out to be everything he could be. Because then we could eventually do this:

Starters
TOWNS
PRECIOUS
OG
MCcullar
Brunson

Bench
Hart
Bridges
Deuce
Payne
Mitch

That squad would fix our starting lineup's height, athleticism, motor, and softness issues.

...while simultaneously making our bench elite again. It all depends on MCcullar and our stubborn azzed coach.

I hate that we have to rely on an injured rookie who hasn't had summer camp or preseason to prepare. Mccullar is an elder-rook, so hopefully he adjusts quickly...and he really only needs to buy the squad 10-15 mpg so Mikal and OG can get a little more rest without the backcourt going 6 ft or less like a bad D'antoni idea.

But it feels too risky. I wish we could just add one more lengthy wing that can play physically. I wish we had a convincing package for Herb Jones.

We are relying on Bridges to be who he was .....I don't see the risk in playing someone who could have domino a effect of putting our players into their proper roles.

I do understand its wishful thinking on my part. But as a shot in the dark ...if Mccular really really did turn out to be a 6'7" Josh Hart those lineups I listed above fix a lot of our issues. The only issue it might create is that we lose Mikals ranged shooting, but that hasnt been all that great yet anyway. But yeah there is no way it happens but IMO its the only i solution that doesn't involve us giving up depth and picks .

[Fury]

We clearly won the Randle trade.

The main issue comes from the loss of iHart and Mitch.

Mikal doesn't make up for the loss of either defensively even as we transitioned to a more perimeter-based defense. This isn't even an anti-Mikal stance - he's played fine over the last few weeks (though never worth the draft capital he cost).

If Mikal played like Caruso on defense, then it would significantly mitigate the loss of rim protection and stabilize the defense even as we transition to a more perimeter-heavy defense to keep our lack of rim protection from being exposed.

But Mikal isn't Caruso. And we can't expect him to be. He can't make up for the loss of defensive impact that Mitch and iHart provided, despite his reputation as a rangy defender.

In any case, the Hawks are a decent team. Losing against them isn't great, but it's not as damning as losing to Detroit. We should be winning those games though, but I don't think this loss was cause for panic.

I feel like the draft capital was not only the cost for Mikal, but also the cost for Jalen taking less in his extension. Mikal's combo of being a good player and having a contract that's somewhat underpaid compared to the market also allowed us to take in KAT and stay under the second apron. There's a lot of factor to consider in that trade that I think we are overlooking.

[3toheadmelo]

We clearly won the Randle trade.

The main issue comes from the loss of iHart and Mitch.

Mikal doesn't make up for the loss of either defensively even as we transitioned to a more perimeter-based defense. This isn't even an anti-Mikal stance - he's played fine over the last few weeks (though never worth the draft capital he cost).

If Mikal played like Caruso on defense, then it would significantly mitigate the loss of rim protection and stabilize the defense even as we transition to a more perimeter-heavy defense to keep our lack of rim protection from being exposed.

But Mikal isn't Caruso. And we can't expect him to be. He can't make up for the loss of defensive impact that Mitch and iHart provided, despite his reputation as a rangy defender.

In any case, the Hawks are a decent team. Losing against them isn't great, but it's not as damning as losing to Detroit. We should be winning those games though.

I’ll save you the paragraphs

We lost both trades