The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3

[Reeko]

Defenders stay glued to this guy in a way that they don't do for any of our other players. This suggests that he is a very high priority for the opposing team's coaching staff in their game plans. He's going to put it all together it's just a matter of time, this kid is a big time competitor and I can see that he is going to get the most out of his ability. Don't let the goofiness off the court fool you, on the court Gradey is a killer and as he gets older, gets stronger and refines his skills, fans are going to see it more and more.

[MessiahUjiri]

Defenders stay glued to this guy in a way that they don't do for any of our other players. This suggests that he is a very high priority for the opposing team's coaching staff in their game plans. He's going to put it all together it's just a matter of time, this kid is a big time competitor and I can see that he is going to get the most out of his ability. Don't let the goofiness off the court fool you, on the court Gradey is a killer and as he gets older, gets stronger and refines his skills, fans are going to see it more and more.

Definitely needs to fill out and get stronger. Will help him on both O and D.

Dat 10-15 lbs of offseason muscle.

[ArthurVandelay]

Defenders stay glued to this guy in a way that they don't do for any of our other players. This suggests that he is a very high priority for the opposing team's coaching staff in their game plans. He's going to put it all together it's just a matter of time, this kid is a big time competitor and I can see that he is going to get the most out of his ability. Don't let the goofiness off the court fool you, on the court Gradey is a killer and as he gets older, gets stronger and refines his skills, fans are going to see it more and more.

He's definitely on the scouting report lol

[Airmiess]

All he needs is core strength (not necessarily bulk) and it will change his game completely. He is already a 20 ppg scorer as is.

When you have strength you're able to play through contact and it gives you more confidence in your finishing ability. On defense you're able to play more physical.

[ash_k]

By that logic, if you put RJ and Gradey in the Scottie draft, neither are top 4 picks. Meaning we only got one top 4 pick now.

Ultimately, it depends on the draft. If it's a flat draft of mediocre players from 1-15, then a top 4 pick isn't that great. If it's a top heavy draft, then a top 4 pick has a ton of value. If you have a GM that's good at finding gems and willing to go against the norm to reach for these potential gems, then a higher pick is always better as you don't want to just miss out on that gem by another similar GM.

The 2025 draft to me is fairly flat from 1-10 with higher risk prospects near the end of the top 10 and possibly scattered throughout the rest of the draft. If teams go for high floor players within the top 10, then even 10-15 might be solid, but statistically speaking, further down you go, the higher the uncertainty is in terms of the chances that a high upside player reaches their potential.

Your logic is severely flawed.

RJ would(still) have been a top4 pick in 2020 (he was drafted in 2019)
Scottie would(still) have been a top4 pick in 2022 (he was drafted in 2021)
Gradey would have been a top4 pick in 2024 (he was drafted in 2023)
Get it?! Simple.

Gradey must have been 15 years old when RJ was drafted, I am not going to put them in the same 'mock' draft?!

They can all be in the same draft if you put them in the 2023 draft. RJ would be an older rookie. Then do some shifting around with other young players.

Put Wemby, Wagner, Banchero, Jalen Williams, Cade, Mobley, Lamelo, Anthony Edwards in the 2023 draft.

Omg, we have no top 4 picks on our roster!

I dont know about you but I am looking at Risacher at MSG right now,...Omg yup Gradey would have been the number 1 pick .
We will have a closer look on December 29 and in January.

[RoteSchroder]

Your logic is severely flawed.

RJ would(still) have been a top4 pick in 2020 (he was drafted in 2019)
Scottie would(still) have been a top4 pick in 2022 (he was drafted in 2021)
Gradey would have been a top4 pick in 2024 (he was drafted in 2023)
Get it?! Simple.

Gradey must have been 15 years old when RJ was drafted, I am not going to put them in the same 'mock' draft?!

They can all be in the same draft if you put them in the 2023 draft. RJ would be an older rookie. Then do some shifting around with other young players.

Put Wemby, Wagner, Banchero, Jalen Williams, Cade, Mobley, Lamelo, Anthony Edwards in the 2023 draft.

Omg, we have no top 4 picks on our roster!

I dont know about you but I am looking at Risacher at MSG right now,...Omg yup Gradey would have been the number 1 pick .
We will have a closer look on December 29 and in January.

Not counting Devon Carter/DaRon Holmes, the best picks so far are something like Castle, McCain, Edey, Knecht, Carrington, Sarr, Clingan, (and Mogbo)

If there's a redraft knowing only what we know now, Gradey's likely closer to the top of that list. GM's still may go for potential or higher upside. McCain is a big competitor given that they're both scorers. He's averaging 15.8 PPG on better percentages from 2 and 3 and is a year younger.

[ash_k]

They can all be in the same draft if you put them in the 2023 draft. RJ would be an older rookie. Then do some shifting around with other young players.

Put Wemby, Wagner, Banchero, Jalen Williams, Cade, Mobley, Lamelo, Anthony Edwards in the 2023 draft.

Omg, we have no top 4 picks on our roster!

I dont know about you but I am looking at Risacher at MSG right now,...Omg yup Gradey would have been the number 1 pick .
We will have a closer look on December 29 and in January.

Not counting Devon Carter/DaRon Holmes, the best picks so far are something like Castle, McCain, Edey, Knecht, Carrington, Sarr, Clingan, (and Mogbo)

If there's a redraft knowing only what we know now, Gradey's likely closer to the top of that list. GM's still may go for potential or higher upside. McCain is a big competitor given that they're both scorers. He's averaging 15.8 PPG on better percentages from 2 and 3 and is a year younger.

True but Advantage for 6'6 SG Athletic kid shooting 40 3P%|90FT% former HighSchool player of the year over the 6'3 SG from Duke

[Scase]

Turning RJ into a bench player is the best step we can take in terms of development and rebuilding. The only way he's being sold in a positive manner is if he's labelled as an expensive sixth man. I don't think any team in the league wants him as a primary starting offensive option.

Trading RJ is far more beneficial than making him a sixth man that has to lead the bench unit. Its the exact thing he's not best at, being a first option all the time on the floor, when Barnes and Quickly sit. It's just a bad idea.

He's not a primary option, but that doesn't mean he's not a good second or third option that most teams would not have start.

This.

We have a guy who has been a top prospect all his life, drafted 3rd overall, has scored the most points out of anyone in his draft class to date.

He is scoring 22.5ppg on good % as a Toronto Raptor. 6.5 rebounds. 4.8 assists. Basically allstar numbers & career highs. Only 24 years old.

He is not going to come off the bench for Gradey Dick or Ochai Agbaji.

None of this matters, what's best for the team is what should be done. Be it GD or RJ.

Acting like him scoring the most point in his draft class means anything is hilarious, who needs anything like context right? Let's ignore that he's scored only 513 more points than Ja despite playing 3000 more minutes right?

Who cares that he ranks 25th in VORP, or 26th in BPM, or 37th in WS/48 from his draft class, he was drafted 3rd and scored a bunch guys, let's forget that he's played the most minutes out of every single player in his draft class! Yet somehow, despite playing almost twice as many games/minutes as Zion, he only has just over half the win shares!

I don't care about his accolades, none of that matters. If keeping him as a starter long term is better for the team, lets do that, if moving him to the bench or trading him is, we do that. Acting like playing from the bench is above him, is ridiculous, he's done nothing to deserve some "protection" from being anything but a starter, he's been a volume scorer that offers nothing on defence his entire career. The best player for the team, gets the starting role, be it RJ, Ochai, or GD.

[Thaddy]

Trading RJ is far more beneficial than making him a sixth man that has to lead the bench unit. Its the exact thing he's not best at, being a first option all the time on the floor, when Barnes and Quickly sit. It's just a bad idea.

He's not a primary option, but that doesn't mean he's not a good second or third option that most teams would not have start.

This.

We have a guy who has been a top prospect all his life, drafted 3rd overall, has scored the most points out of anyone in his draft class to date.

He is scoring 22.5ppg on good % as a Toronto Raptor. 6.5 rebounds. 4.8 assists. Basically allstar numbers & career highs. Only 24 years old.

He is not going to come off the bench for Gradey Dick or Ochai Agbaji.

None of this matters, what's best for the team is what should be done. Be it GD or RJ.

Acting like him scoring the most point in his draft class means anything is hilarious, who needs anything like context right? Let's ignore that he's scored only 513 more points than Ja despite playing 3000 more minutes right?

Who cares that he ranks 25th in VORP, or 26th in BPM, or 37th in WS/48 from his draft class, he was drafted 3rd and scored a bunch guys, let's forget that he's played the most minutes out of every single player in his draft class! Yet somehow, despite playing almost twice as many games/minutes as Zion, he only has just over half the win shares!

I don't care about his accolades, none of that matters. If keeping him as a starter long term is better for the team, lets do that, if moving him to the bench or trading him is, we do that. Acting like playing from the bench is above him, is ridiculous, he's done nothing to deserve some "protection" from being anything but a starter, he's been a volume scorer that offers nothing on defence his entire career. The best player for the team, gets the starting role, be it RJ, Ochai, or GD.

The way he was giving up transition points on made buckets was concerning. It looks like he has a conditioning problem. His size let's him attack the basket and lead the league in drives per game. However the lack of lateral quickness and shooting has implications in how effective he can be as a sidekick to Barnes. Their games don't compliment each others very well. From a superficial standpoint the points look great, and he isn't bad at scoring. He did drop an efficient 30 on OG, the best wing defender in the game, but it comes at the price of poor half court, transition, and help defense.

[niQ]

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[Indeed]

This.

We have a guy who has been a top prospect all his life, drafted 3rd overall, has scored the most points out of anyone in his draft class to date.

He is scoring 22.5ppg on good % as a Toronto Raptor. 6.5 rebounds. 4.8 assists. Basically allstar numbers & career highs. Only 24 years old.

He is not going to come off the bench for Gradey Dick or Ochai Agbaji.

None of this matters, what's best for the team is what should be done. Be it GD or RJ.

Acting like him scoring the most point in his draft class means anything is hilarious, who needs anything like context right? Let's ignore that he's scored only 513 more points than Ja despite playing 3000 more minutes right?

Who cares that he ranks 25th in VORP, or 26th in BPM, or 37th in WS/48 from his draft class, he was drafted 3rd and scored a bunch guys, let's forget that he's played the most minutes out of every single player in his draft class! Yet somehow, despite playing almost twice as many games/minutes as Zion, he only has just over half the win shares!

I don't care about his accolades, none of that matters. If keeping him as a starter long term is better for the team, lets do that, if moving him to the bench or trading him is, we do that. Acting like playing from the bench is above him, is ridiculous, he's done nothing to deserve some "protection" from being anything but a starter, he's been a volume scorer that offers nothing on defence his entire career. The best player for the team, gets the starting role, be it RJ, Ochai, or GD.

The way he was giving up transition points on made buckets was concerning. It looks like he has a conditioning problem. His size let's him attack the basket and lead the league in drives per game. However the lack of lateral quickness and shooting has implications in how effective he can be as a sidekick to Barnes. Their games don't compliment each others very well. From a superficial standpoint the points look great, and he isn't bad at scoring. He did drop an efficient 30 on OG, the best wing defender in the game, but it comes at the price of poor half court, transition, and help defense.

Anunoby was on Barrett

[Ell Curry]

I'm a little concerned with his 3pt shooting. Are we sure he's going to be a 40% guy? It doesn't look as clean or consistent as Walter or Battle's shot, or how I remember Quickley's shooting.

Had some nice plays running a secondary pick and roll and looking for a pullup or drive.

Defense is a problem, he flat out needs to get stronger.

[Psubs]

I'm a little concerned with his 3pt shooting. Are we sure he's going to be a 40% guy? It doesn't look as clean or consistent as Walter or Battle's shot, or how I remember Quickley's shooting.

Had some nice plays running a secondary pick and roll and looking for a pullup or drive.

Defense is a problem, he flat out needs to get stronger.

He looks incrementally better on defense with more court time.

He's shooting crazy shots these days and maybe this wildness has him just missing even more open shots now.

Battle is fighting for minutes and longterm money. With a full team Dick's shot selection would be much more refined as a 3rd option right now. If a volume chucker put up 22 points and still shot over 40% overall but missed 3's, people would say he had a good game. We just have loftier expectations for Gradey. Let him chuck away and let him analyze what he needs to work on.

[TheDunc]

His shooting doesnt concern me one bit, will he be some generational shooter like Klay Thompson im not sure of that yetl . Hes still too young but the promising part is hes looking more like a scorer then just a shooter so if his shooting ever gets even better then we have a high quality offensive player

[brownbobcat]

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Against Bam? What a move

[Duffman100]

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Against Bam? What a move

Yeah was just about to say, against one of, if not the best perimeter big defenders in the league.

It's these flashes which you look for from Dick. Then hope in year 3-4 it's about developing consistency.

[brownbobcat]

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Against Bam? What a move

Yeah was just about to say, against one of, if not the best perimeter big defenders in the league.

It's these flashes which you look for from Dick. Then hope in year 3-4 it's about developing consistency.

Just look how quickly Bam switched his feet and recovered to block - Gradey had phenomenal footwork and confidence there to pull off that cross, pullup, pump fake, step-through.

[Duffman100]

Against Bam? What a move

Yeah was just about to say, against one of, if not the best perimeter big defenders in the league.

It's these flashes which you look for from Dick. Then hope in year 3-4 it's about developing consistency.

Just look how quickly Bam switched his feet and recovered to block - Gradey had phenomenal footwork and confidence there to pull off that cross, pullup, pump fake, step-through.

Can this kid just start knocking down his open 3s.

[Ell Curry]

I'm a little concerned with his 3pt shooting. Are we sure he's going to be a 40% guy? It doesn't look as clean or consistent as Walter or Battle's shot, or how I remember Quickley's shooting.

Had some nice plays running a secondary pick and roll and looking for a pullup or drive.

Defense is a problem, he flat out needs to get stronger.

He looks incrementally better on defense with more court time.

He's shooting crazy shots these days and maybe this wildness has him just missing even more open shots now.

Battle is fighting for minutes and longterm money. With a full team Dick's shot selection would be much more refined as a 3rd option right now. If a volume chucker put up 22 points and still shot over 40% overall but missed 3's, people would say he had a good game. We just have loftier expectations for Gradey. Let him chuck away and let him analyze what he needs to work on.

Of course we gotta let him chuck away and explore his scoring potential, we're tanking and he's young and has talent. I'm just saying, mechanically it looks like his pull-up 2pt jumpers look right as rain, but on his fairly open 3s it seems like his form fluctuates and doesn't look that consistent.

[Scase]

I'm a little concerned with his 3pt shooting. Are we sure he's going to be a 40% guy? It doesn't look as clean or consistent as Walter or Battle's shot, or how I remember Quickley's shooting.

Had some nice plays running a secondary pick and roll and looking for a pullup or drive.

Defense is a problem, he flat out needs to get stronger.

He looks incrementally better on defense with more court time.

He's shooting crazy shots these days and maybe this wildness has him just missing even more open shots now.

Battle is fighting for minutes and longterm money. With a full team Dick's shot selection would be much more refined as a 3rd option right now. If a volume chucker put up 22 points and still shot over 40% overall but missed 3's, people would say he had a good game. We just have loftier expectations for Gradey. Let him chuck away and let him analyze what he needs to work on.

Of course we gotta let him chuck away and explore his scoring potential, we're tanking and he's young and has talent. I'm just saying, mechanically it looks like his pull-up 2pt jumpers look right as rain, but on his fairly open 3s it seems like his form fluctuates and doesn't look that consistent.

Yeah it's wild, inside the arc he looks like money every time, his 3's are hit or miss. It's weird that when he makes or misses a 3, I'm not surprised by either outcome lol.