PG: Knicks vs ATL

[Clyde_Style]

15-10 and 1.5 games from 7th place "really good"?

I hear you but I think we are slightly better than our record indicates. But even 100% healthy we aren't in Boston's league.

Unsurprisingly I think they are worse.
Cupcake schedule
Can't beat bad teams
Can't beat teams that switch
Every good team they played had at least one starter out. Sometimes two.

This team is extremely mid.

While that could change, this current roster's performance will not make them contenders.

The offensive blowouts were fun, but I'm at core a fan of tough defensive teams and we are presently not even mediocre on defense.

It hurts my eyes to see such bad defense, so I'll check the video recaps for any updates.

I don't know if having Mitch will fix this, but it is very possible it won't.

Unless Bridges finds Jesus and rediscovers his defensive edge there is no reason to expect OG to bail out this starting unit.

We are worse than our current record if we don't improve on defense, because teams that consistently start off games down in the first quarter and can only get back the lead by getting hot instead of getting stops eventually go into a downward spiral.

Thibs is not the coach for this roster. He was good enough, but he's getting outcoached on a nightly basis now. Combined with his disastrous minutes management and we're only one or two injuries away from this season going into a freefall.

Anyway, respect to you diehards, but I've watched every single game for years and I can't do it anymore if they are not going to compete on the defensive end. It is too disappointing to watch this current product.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I hear you but I think we are slightly better than our record indicates. But even 100% healthy we aren't in Boston's league.

Unsurprisingly I think they are worse.
Cupcake schedule
Can't beat bad teams
Can't beat teams that switch
Every good team they played had at least one starter out. Sometimes two.

This team is extremely mid.

While that could change, this current roster's performance will not make them contenders.

The offensive blowouts were fun, but I'm at core a fan of tough defensive teams and we are presently not even mediocre on defense.

It hurts my eyes to see such bad defense, so I'll check the video recaps for any updates.

I don't know if having Mitch will fix this, but it is very possible it won't.

Unless Bridges finds Jesus and rediscovers his defensive edge there is no reason to expect OG to bail out this starting unit.

We are worse than our current record if we don't improve on defense, because teams that consistently start off games down in the first quarter and can only get back the lead by getting hot instead of getting stops eventually go into a downward spiral.

Thibs is not the coach for this roster. He was good enough, but he's getting outcoached on a nightly basis now. Combined with his disastrous minutes management and we're only one or two injuries away from this season going into a freefall.

Anyway, respect to you diehards, but I've watched every single game for years and I can't do it anymore if they are not going to compete on the defensive end. It is too disappointing to watch this current product.

Quitter!

[Clyde_Style]

Unsurprisingly I think they are worse.
Cupcake schedule
Can't beat bad teams
Can't beat teams that switch
Every good team they played had at least one starter out. Sometimes two.

This team is extremely mid.

While that could change, this current roster's performance will not make them contenders.

The offensive blowouts were fun, but I'm at core a fan of tough defensive teams and we are presently not even mediocre on defense.

It hurts my eyes to see such bad defense, so I'll check the video recaps for any updates.

I don't know if having Mitch will fix this, but it is very possible it won't.

Unless Bridges finds Jesus and rediscovers his defensive edge there is no reason to expect OG to bail out this starting unit.

We are worse than our current record if we don't improve on defense, because teams that consistently start off games down in the first quarter and can only get back the lead by getting hot instead of getting stops eventually go into a downward spiral.

Thibs is not the coach for this roster. He was good enough, but he's getting outcoached on a nightly basis now. Combined with his disastrous minutes management and we're only one or two injuries away from this season going into a freefall.

Anyway, respect to you diehards, but I've watched every single game for years and I can't do it anymore if they are not going to compete on the defensive end. It is too disappointing to watch this current product.

Quitter!

After watching almost every game for the past 15 or more years I have nothing to prove by watching every single game for the rest of my life.

Life is precious. Sometimes you need to spend it on something else you decide is more important. I'm working hard in a demanding job and I don't drink any more and I don't do drugs. Watching the Knicks was my way of unwinding, but I'm growing more interested in using my free time to build new skills and move my life in new directions. I can't do that with a full-time Knicks habit.

I'm not quitting being a Knicks fan. I'm just no longer a fanatic. Cutting back is a healthy choice. If they do contend I'll watch the big games and enjoy their success. But I don't have the desire to follow every step of the way anymore. Following sports is a consumer activity. I'm more interested in creative work these days.

[Jalen Bluntson]

While that could change, this current roster's performance will not make them contenders.

The offensive blowouts were fun, but I'm at core a fan of tough defensive teams and we are presently not even mediocre on defense.

It hurts my eyes to see such bad defense, so I'll check the video recaps for any updates.

I don't know if having Mitch will fix this, but it is very possible it won't.

Unless Bridges finds Jesus and rediscovers his defensive edge there is no reason to expect OG to bail out this starting unit.

We are worse than our current record if we don't improve on defense, because teams that consistently start off games down in the first quarter and can only get back the lead by getting hot instead of getting stops eventually go into a downward spiral.

Thibs is not the coach for this roster. He was good enough, but he's getting outcoached on a nightly basis now. Combined with his disastrous minutes management and we're only one or two injuries away from this season going into a freefall.

Anyway, respect to you diehards, but I've watched every single game for years and I can't do it anymore if they are not going to compete on the defensive end. It is too disappointing to watch this current product.

Quitter!

After watching almost every game for the past 15 or more years I have nothing to prove by watching every single game for the rest of my life.

Life is precious. Sometimes you need to spend it on something else you decide is more important. I'm working hard in a demanding job and I don't drink any more and I don't do drugs. Watching the Knicks was my way of unwinding, but I'm growing more interested in using my free time to build new skills and move my life in new directions. I can't do that with a full-time Knicks habit.

I'm not quitting being a Knicks fan. I'm just no longer a fanatic. Cutting back is a healthy choice. If they do contend I'll watch the big games and enjoy their success. But I don't have the desire to follow every step of the way anymore. Following sports is a consumer activity. I'm more interested in creative work these days.

You know I'm messing with you bro. I did the same thing with the Jets about 8 years ago. We have one game in the next 7 days. It's as good a time for a break as any. I really haven't given up on things yet but, I am pretty pissed about the HC.

I understand though. Maybe I would do the same but, I'm not there yet. I need a new life. Good luck with your creative endeavors.

[8516knicks]

While that could change, this current roster's performance will not make them contenders.

The offensive blowouts were fun, but I'm at core a fan of tough defensive teams and we are presently not even mediocre on defense.

It hurts my eyes to see such bad defense, so I'll check the video recaps for any updates.

I don't know if having Mitch will fix this, but it is very possible it won't.

Unless Bridges finds Jesus and rediscovers his defensive edge there is no reason to expect OG to bail out this starting unit.

We are worse than our current record if we don't improve on defense, because teams that consistently start off games down in the first quarter and can only get back the lead by getting hot instead of getting stops eventually go into a downward spiral.

Thibs is not the coach for this roster. He was good enough, but he's getting outcoached on a nightly basis now. Combined with his disastrous minutes management and we're only one or two injuries away from this season going into a freefall.

Anyway, respect to you diehards, but I've watched every single game for years and I can't do it anymore if they are not going to compete on the defensive end. It is too disappointing to watch this current product.

Quitter!

After watching almost every game for the past 15 or more years I have nothing to prove by watching every single game for the rest of my life.

Life is precious. Sometimes you need to spend it on something else you decide is more important. I'm working hard in a demanding job and I don't drink any more and I don't do drugs. Watching the Knicks was my way of unwinding, but I'm growing more interested in using my free time to build new skills and move my life in new directions. I can't do that with a full-time Knicks habit.

I'm not quitting being a Knicks fan. I'm just no longer a fanatic. Cutting back is a healthy choice. If they do contend I'll watch the big games and enjoy their success. But I don't have the desire to follow every step of the way anymore. Following sports is a consumer activity. I'm more interested in creative work these days.

For me, it happened in baseball when they went to aluminum bats and MLB pitchers being pulled on no hitters after 6 innnings and maybe one 20 game winner every few years.

It happened with the Jets; It happened with the Mets and Yankees after the subway series in 2000. And my college. And, to be honest, the Knicks after last year's big changes. Just not the same "glow."

Things fade. Morph. NBA is not the same game, nor baseball or football, etc..

Hard to get serious about guys with $790M contracts.

Like you, I'll check in, sometimes more than others -- like last January's KNICKS, but nothing in sports is like when you're a kid.

Let them root for me once in a while.

[ctorres]

Don't worry you guys, we'll probably win the game on Sunday.

I'm gonna go see it in Orlando. Either I'll get a decent seat or be in the nosebleeds, but I'm going.

20 years on realgm and this will be the first time I ever go to a Knicks game.

[HarthorneWingo]

Yes, the Knicks just need 50 to 55 games for the magical "gelling" to happen.

Then they'll be SO dominant.

Sure.

How about, “Just wait until Mitch gets back!”????

Mitch isn't coming back and if he was, his 20 mpg over 25 games really isn't fixing ****

So we have two protected picks left to trade (one that will probably convey, the Wiz, and the other from Detroit that probably won’t). We got Derrick Rose for a second round pick way back when. And then we traded for Josh Hart. Each trade was just at the deadline and made big differences in our seasons. So I expect The Genius (Leon) to swing a deal. We also have potential bench depth additions in Shamet and Warren who we can add. I don’t see the need for Dadiet on the roster if Thibs won’t play him.

I agree that Mitch probably won’t be much help this season.

[thebuzzardman]

How about, “Just wait until Mitch gets back!”????

Mitch isn't coming back and if he was, his 20 mpg over 25 games really isn't fixing ****

Brother are you a Knick fan? Reading through stuff it’s nothing but negativity, damn….8th in the league.. a top 3 offense and a defense that holds teams to the 10th least points per game with its defensive monster coming back soon. They are going to be just fine.

Yeah, I'm a Knick fan.

I know a team that's VERY mid when I see it.

Which is fine, compared to the previous 25 years of utter garbage, give or take a couple of years.
It's nothing to jump up and down about when you realize the team is capped out for about, oh, 5 years, and doesn't control most of it's picks for what, 10 years?

Yeah.

[Wildcat]

2 days later and I'm still disgusted with this L.

[thebuzzardman]

How about, “Just wait until Mitch gets back!”????

Mitch isn't coming back and if he was, his 20 mpg over 25 games really isn't fixing ****

So we have two protected picks left to trade (one that will probably convey, the Wiz, and the other from Detroit that probably won’t). We got Derrick Rose for a second round pick way back when. And then we traded for Josh Hart. Each trade was just at the deadline and made big differences in our seasons. So I expect The Genius (Leon) to swing a deal. We also have potential bench depth additions in Shamet and Warren who we can add. I don’t see the need for Dadiet on the roster if Thibs won’t play him.

I agree that Mitch probably won’t be much help this season.

Yeah, let's not have ANY picks, while shoring up a clearly mediocre starting lineup.
The Knicks have good players in the starting lineup.
Unfortunately, some combination of fit or coaching means the sum of the parts is less than the individual pieces

Really, ultimately the issue is they went all in on KAT, who needs to get set up - he's not truly a creator, and have up franchise level pick haul for Mikal who is a role player. Who doesn't play the roles at a plus level.

And KAT is great, Mikal is good, OG is excellent, Hart is good, but there's not enough of the kind of offense that is needed to compete with the really good teams, that other really good creative player next to Brunson.

Add Mikal turning into a total turd on defense and whatever is up with Hart and the defense sucks on top of it.

Really good teams don't look like total garbage as often as this team has.

Whatever. I'm just getting used to the fact that this is Melo, Stat and Chandler all over again, where the team is missing a key something, but has no means to get that, while also being capped out and has traded away a bunch of future picks.

The 5 years of being the 7th or 8th seed (and that's if everyone stays healthy, which is HIGHLY UNLIKELY with OG and KAT), first round exits, watching the rest of the league draft the next generation of stars, and the 5 more years of mediocrity as the entire staring 5 ages out, but now the Knicks are missing 1st round picks every other year, plus there are some swaps.

We'll be back to the Knicks sucking ass and the Nets being the dominant NYC team by 2030.

Which would be fine if the team was a strong contender for 5 years, but there's no way this team is competing for jack sh*t.

This was Leon's big "all in"

It's meh.

[thebuzzardman]

Don't worry you guys, we'll probably win the game on Sunday.

I'm gonna go see it in Orlando. Either I'll get a decent seat or be in the nosebleeds, but I'm going.

20 years on realgm and this will be the first time I ever go to a Knicks game.

Sorry for your upcoming loss

[thebuzzardman]

At least the toxicity is back. This is the Knick experience I'm familiar with

It sucks, we were so so close last year. We lost ihart and decided to panic. We could have kept the nova 4, and figured out something for a rebounding big. Whenever we are close, (and this is not just relegated to Leon Rose) we decide to blow it up and go after big names. And this dates back to Isiah, Grunwald. It’s just dumb move after dumb move for years. We finally made it close with Leon at the helm, and for some reason, he flipped the script and blew the war chest on Mikal.

Basically this.

Though I think they wanted KAT all along. WWW isn't here for just any reason.

[thebuzzardman]

A lot of teams gel in December and start winning more.
Others start getting scouted and exposed.
Like the Knicks did in that KP season.

I think the Knicks are getting exposed
Might not even be a .500 ,team, doing the classic Knicks January January February implosion

It's the HC getting exposed. We have the talent. We just don't have the right HC. Stubborn orc refuses to change.

Probably. I think it's a bad mismatch between head coach and the actual players on the team. Well, maybe.

I'm not sure. I'm not an expert. But I do know mediocrity when I see it!

Thibs probably gets this entire season and then Leon fires him to save his own ass, to shift blame away from the fact that the players he assembled are good but don't really fit, not for high level competition.

[thebuzzardman]

How about, “Just wait until Mitch gets back!”????

Mitch isn't coming back and if he was, his 20 mpg over 25 games really isn't fixing ****

Brother are you a Knick fan? Reading through stuff it’s nothing but negativity, damn….8th in the league.. a top 3 offense and a defense that holds teams to the 10th least points per game with its defensive monster coming back soon. They are going to be just fine.

Also, Mitch isn't fixing sh*t.
I liked Mitch, but it's apparent he can't stay healthy and I wonder if he really has the commitment to training to avoid getting hurt.
Ultimately, I think it's just the bad luck of a very tall guy breaking, which happens all the time.

I'm pretty sure he never suits up for the Knicks ever again, but even if he stays, the solution is 20-40 games of Mitch a year, while KAT gets moved to PF and now the Knicks starting lineup has LESS spacing and offensive ability?

[thebuzzardman]

I hear you but I think we are slightly better than our record indicates. But even 100% healthy we aren't in Boston's league.

Unsurprisingly I think they are worse.
Cupcake schedule
Can't beat bad teams
Can't beat teams that switch
Every good team they played had at least one starter out. Sometimes two.

This team is extremely mid.

While that could change, this current roster's performance will not make them contenders.

The offensive blowouts were fun, but I'm at core a fan of tough defensive teams and we are presently not even mediocre on defense.

It hurts my eyes to see such bad defense, so I'll check the video recaps for any updates.

I don't know if having Mitch will fix this, but it is very possible it won't.

Unless Bridges finds Jesus and rediscovers his defensive edge there is no reason to expect OG to bail out this starting unit.

We are worse than our current record if we don't improve on defense, because teams that consistently start off games down in the first quarter and can only get back the lead by getting hot instead of getting stops eventually go into a downward spiral.

Thibs is not the coach for this roster. He was good enough, but he's getting outcoached on a nightly basis now. Combined with his disastrous minutes management and we're only one or two injuries away from this season going into a freefall.

Anyway, respect to you diehards, but I've watched every single game for years and I can't do it anymore if they are not going to compete on the defensive end. It is too disappointing to watch this current product.

That's where I'm at.

Though I have to give to the Knicks. They managed to really raise my hopes for a short time before dashing them to bits. Respekt.

[whocares1]

At least the toxicity is back. This is the Knick experience I'm familiar with

It sucks, we were so so close last year. We lost ihart and decided to panic. We could have kept the nova 4, and figured out something for a rebounding big. Whenever we are close, (and this is not just relegated to Leon Rose) we decide to blow it up and go after big names. And this dates back to Isiah, Grunwald. It’s just dumb move after dumb move for years. We finally made it close with Leon at the helm, and for some reason, he flipped the script and blew the war chest on Mikal.

Basically this.

Though I think they wanted KAT all along. WWW isn't here for just any reason.

I mean KAT was not a mistake trade at all. If anything giving the Nets all those assets was a mistake but you have an expiring contract plus a role player for an elite talent you do that 10/10 times. If the team didn’t trade Randle our record at the current moment is probably worse bc Randle doesn’t fix the issue we currently have which is a rebounding defensive anchor 5. We just need a real center and the team will look a lot better.

[Tomato Sauce]

When will Knick fans learn not to poke the bear? Chanting f Trae young really lit a fire under his ass. Just stop
It already.

[Fat Kat]

Don't worry you guys, we'll probably win the game on Sunday.

I'm gonna go see it in Orlando. Either I'll get a decent seat or be in the nosebleeds, but I'm going.

20 years on realgm and this will be the first time I ever go to a Knicks game.

I hope you experience a good win. Despite the “sky is falling” shtick the very vocal minority incessantly trumpet, we’re on pace to win over 50 games. Enjoy the game and get some Knicks chants going

[HerSports85]

I do like the persona of Thibs and he has done a lot for us but he probably does need to go for the Knicks to hit the next level.

i've been saying this over the last couple of years and our success last season has not changed my mind, actually it just confirms my thoughts. It's the same thing with him over and over. He can't adjust in realtime or takes half of a season to make the obvious and necessary changes - he's too stubborn, lacks creativity, can't manage mins, his play calling and schemes are bottom tier, etc. But i guess he's a good motivation coach to get your team going in the right direction.

[KnicksGadfly]

When will Knick fans learn not to poke the bear? Chanting f Trae young really lit a fire under his ass. Just stop
It already.

He’s not exactly Michael Jordan. If we can’t win a game against the Hawks cause the fans poke Trae Young, we have deeper problems. Which we do.