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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#201 » by WindyCityBorn » Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:48 am

Muzbar wrote:I saw, what I think, is a very good comparison for Cooper Flagg (game wise).

Pascal Siakam.


That’s not a generational talent. Hell that’s not even a superstar.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#202 » by Muzbar » Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:02 am

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Muzbar wrote:I saw, what I think, is a very good comparison for Cooper Flagg (game wise).

Pascal Siakam.


That’s not a generational talent. Hell that’s not even a superstar.

First of all it's just a comparison. Secondly, Cooper Flagg isn't a generational talent anyways, no one in this draft is.

Siakam may not be a 'superstar' but he is a star 2 way player.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#203 » by WindyCityBorn » Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:03 am

Muzbar wrote:I saw, what I think, is a very good comparison for Cooper Flagg (game wise).

Pascal Siakam.


That’s not a generational talent. Hell that’s not even a superstar.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#204 » by DuckIII » Thu Dec 12, 2024 4:46 am

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And to think the kid doesn't even turn 18 until December 21st. He plays with such poise and has such a well rounded game.


He's definitely a gamer.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#206 » by WindyCityBorn » Thu Dec 12, 2024 11:38 pm

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Muzbar wrote:I saw, what I think, is a very good comparison for Cooper Flagg (game wise).

Pascal Siakam.


That’s not a generational talent. Hell that’s not even a superstar.

First of all it's just a comparison. Secondly, Cooper Flagg isn't a generational talent anyways, no one in this draft is.

Siakam may not be a 'superstar' but he is a star 2 way player.


Since when did this draft stop having generational talent? I was told there were 4 or 5 guys with franchise talent potential.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#207 » by DuckIII » Thu Dec 12, 2024 11:50 pm

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That’s not a generational talent. Hell that’s not even a superstar.

First of all it's just a comparison. Secondly, Cooper Flagg isn't a generational talent anyways, no one in this draft is.

Siakam may not be a 'superstar' but he is a star 2 way player.


Since when did this draft stop having generational talent? I was told there were 4 or 5 guys with franchise talent potential.


Could be semantics. I don't use franchise talent and generational talent interchangeably. I almost never say generational talent about a prospect. LeBron. Luka. Wemby. I think that's probably about it since the 2000s for me (when referring to them pre-draft). Franchise talent? There's almost always a few of those in every draft as a matter of prospect evaluations.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#208 » by Muzbar » Fri Dec 13, 2024 12:23 am

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Muzbar wrote:First of all it's just a comparison. Secondly, Cooper Flagg isn't a generational talent anyways, no one in this draft is.

Siakam may not be a 'superstar' but he is a star 2 way player.


Since when did this draft stop having generational talent? I was told there were 4 or 5 guys with franchise talent potential.


Could be semantics. I don't use franchise talent and generational talent interchangeably. I almost never say generational talent about a prospect. LeBron. Luka. Wemby. I think that's probably about it since the 2000s for me (when referring to them pre-draft). Franchise talent? There's almost always a few of those in every draft as a matter of prospect evaluations.

Definitely semantics.

You shouldn't just through around the word 'generational' about any prospect. I agree with Wemby, Lebron and Luka.

Franchise players, that's a completely different story.

It's like reading an Australian newspaper article about former 'NBA Star' Matthew Dellavedova, yet another term that gets overused.
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Post#209 » by MrSparkle » Fri Dec 13, 2024 12:29 am

Obviously Flag isn't a AAA prospect like Lebron or Zion (who's had a disappointing career, but was pretty much an all-star out the gate), but fool's me if he isn't ready to play NBA impact minutes like a rookie Chet, Paolo, Edwards, etc. He looks NBA ready- defense and offense. No coach is gonna ice him if he struggles shooting from the arc (not even Billy!). His FG% is so far a point of concern (the generational vibes have simmered off), but fact is he's high IQ, all-around high skilled (especially as a ball-handler) and defensively active.

But honestly, I also like the other top-5 (even 6?) prospects. There's always a 50% hit rate even in good drafts, but come on... This team would be thrilled to have a high-IQ, NBA-ready rookie. We've had some real duds and slow learners.
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Post#210 » by WindyCityBorn » Fri Dec 13, 2024 1:08 am

MrSparkle wrote:Obviously Flag isn't a AAA prospect like Lebron or Zion (who's had a disappointing career, but was pretty much an all-star out the gate), but fool's me if he isn't ready to play NBA impact minutes like a rookie Chet, Paolo, Edwards, etc. He looks NBA ready- defense and offense. No coach is gonna ice him if he struggles shooting from the arc (not even Billy!). His FG% is so far a point of concern (the generational vibes have simmered off), but fact is he's high IQ, all-around high skilled (especially as a ball-handler) and defensively active.

But honestly, I also like the other top-5 (even 6?) prospects. There's always a 50% hit rate even in good drafts, but come on... This team would be thrilled to have a high-IQ, NBA-ready rookie. We've had some real duds and slow learners.


I would consider Edwards a superstar and just a tier below generational talent. I wouldn’t be shocked if he ends up top 5 shooting guard of all-time. He’s way above the other guys you list with him.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#211 » by MrSparkle » Fri Dec 13, 2024 2:20 am

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MrSparkle wrote:Obviously Flag isn't a AAA prospect like Lebron or Zion (who's had a disappointing career, but was pretty much an all-star out the gate), but fool's me if he isn't ready to play NBA impact minutes like a rookie Chet, Paolo, Edwards, etc. He looks NBA ready- defense and offense. No coach is gonna ice him if he struggles shooting from the arc (not even Billy!). His FG% is so far a point of concern (the generational vibes have simmered off), but fact is he's high IQ, all-around high skilled (especially as a ball-handler) and defensively active.

But honestly, I also like the other top-5 (even 6?) prospects. There's always a 50% hit rate even in good drafts, but come on... This team would be thrilled to have a high-IQ, NBA-ready rookie. We've had some real duds and slow learners.


I would consider Edwards a superstar and just a tier below generational talent. I wouldn’t be shocked if he ends up top 5 shooting guard of all-time. He’s way above the other guys you list with him.


As a prospect? He was a last minute #1 in a bad draft, after a lot of debate and trade consideration from the top 3 drafters. I liked him, but he wasn’t a Lebron nor even a Durant/Luka who dropped out of 1. And his rookie season was good, but also nothing much to write home about (13.7 PER).
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#212 » by DuckIII » Fri Dec 13, 2024 3:04 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
MrSparkle wrote:Obviously Flag isn't a AAA prospect like Lebron or Zion (who's had a disappointing career, but was pretty much an all-star out the gate), but fool's me if he isn't ready to play NBA impact minutes like a rookie Chet, Paolo, Edwards, etc. He looks NBA ready- defense and offense. No coach is gonna ice him if he struggles shooting from the arc (not even Billy!). His FG% is so far a point of concern (the generational vibes have simmered off), but fact is he's high IQ, all-around high skilled (especially as a ball-handler) and defensively active.

But honestly, I also like the other top-5 (even 6?) prospects. There's always a 50% hit rate even in good drafts, but come on... This team would be thrilled to have a high-IQ, NBA-ready rookie. We've had some real duds and slow learners.


I would consider Edwards a superstar and just a tier below generational talent. I wouldn’t be shocked if he ends up top 5 shooting guard of all-time. He’s way above the other guys you list with him.


Edwards could prove himself to be a generational talent and one of the greatest shooting guards of all time. But he was not considered a generational talent as a prospect.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#213 » by WindyCityBorn » Fri Dec 13, 2024 4:39 am

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MrSparkle wrote:Obviously Flag isn't a AAA prospect like Lebron or Zion (who's had a disappointing career, but was pretty much an all-star out the gate), but fool's me if he isn't ready to play NBA impact minutes like a rookie Chet, Paolo, Edwards, etc. He looks NBA ready- defense and offense. No coach is gonna ice him if he struggles shooting from the arc (not even Billy!). His FG% is so far a point of concern (the generational vibes have simmered off), but fact is he's high IQ, all-around high skilled (especially as a ball-handler) and defensively active.

But honestly, I also like the other top-5 (even 6?) prospects. There's always a 50% hit rate even in good drafts, but come on... This team would be thrilled to have a high-IQ, NBA-ready rookie. We've had some real duds and slow learners.


I would consider Edwards a superstar and just a tier below generational talent. I wouldn’t be shocked if he ends up top 5 shooting guard of all-time. He’s way above the other guys you list with him.


Edwards could prove himself to be a generational talent and one of the greatest shooting guards of all time. But he was not considered a generational talent as a prospect.


Oh I’m talking about what he is now. Not as a prospect.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#214 » by Rose2Boozer » Fri Dec 13, 2024 4:42 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
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That’s not a generational talent. Hell that’s not even a superstar.

First of all it's just a comparison. Secondly, Cooper Flagg isn't a generational talent anyways, no one in this draft is.

Siakam may not be a 'superstar' but he is a star 2 way player.


Since when did this draft stop having generational talent? I was told there were 4 or 5 guys with franchise talent potential.


The games started. That being said, this is still a draft that is stacked with high level talent. It's highly subjective, my top five looks a lot different than the consensus.

Cooper Flagg
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#215 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Fri Dec 13, 2024 5:19 am

So far, Flagg strikes me as a Paolo - Chet tier prospect, which is a bit of a disappointment. You want a #1 pick to look too good for college every few games or so, and I haven’t seen that from him yet. He’s had excellent all-around games, sure - efficiency aside - but nothing he does looks effortless. Not even the defensive playmaking which is his strong suit.
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Post#216 » by Rose2Boozer » Fri Dec 13, 2024 5:30 am

Let's not overlook the fact that Cooper Flagg reclassified. He should be dominating at the high school level this season.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#217 » by Chi town » Fri Dec 13, 2024 5:53 am

Rose2Boozer wrote:Let's not overlook the fact that Cooper Flagg reclassified. He should be dominating at the high school level this season.


Also think Duke’s guards suck and make life way harder on him.
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Post#218 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:01 am

Rose2Boozer wrote:Let's not overlook the fact that Cooper Flagg reclassified. He should be dominating at the high school level this season.


I don’t think anyone could forget. Age/experience have become central to his case for #1.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#219 » by jordanwilliams6 » Fri Dec 13, 2024 12:55 pm

I wonder if Kasparus will be our guy (or at least AKME’s guy).

There’s some pretty strong connections there with Illinois and a Lithuanian so I’m sure they will know everything there is to know about him.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#220 » by rosenthall » Fri Dec 13, 2024 1:21 pm

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Rose2Boozer wrote:Let's not overlook the fact that Cooper Flagg reclassified. He should be dominating at the high school level this season.


I don’t think anyone could forget. Age/experience have become central to his case for #1.


At this point I think it might be a source of him being a little overrated. Go look at the college numbers for KAT, AD and Zion. Now THOSE are the stats of top-tier prospects.

Cooper's clearly a tier below. And I agree you do see it with the way he labors to make his impact. Those guys effortlessly dominated. Flagg seems like he has to fight for what he gets.

He's still a legit #1 prospect, but he's more attractive for his floor than ceiling.

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