Hawks/Pacers

[Astaluego]

HAWKS
In:Turner
Out: Capela/FRP 25(LAL)

Turner gives them a different weapon, in what would be one of the best 9-man rotations in the league.

Turner/OO
Johnson/Nance
Risacher/Hunter
Daniels/Bogdan
Trae/Bufking

PACERS
In:Capela/FRP(LAL)
Out:Turner

In a difficult season, the Pacers sell Turner's expiration, to recover some asset+Flexibility.. While they get a solid veteran that keeps them competitive

[jayjaysee]

As Turner’s biggest fan, I think Atl should really do this. All the reasons Indy wouldn’t, fit with Hali/Pascal versus Trae/Jalen.

[Scoot McGroot]

At its base, this would put Indy into the tax with only 14 guys for this season, I believe, so it’d have to be reworked around that. Also, Indy and Turner have spoken glowingly about wanting to continue their relationship long term after this season, though he’s also guaranteed to hit unrestricted free agency. And Capela is a center, sure, but not really a great fit with Siakam/Hali as pointed out elsewhere.

However, if Indy does decide to make a quick shift and move on from Turner, this would probably be a fine enough value. It’s not crazy to think that first could end up around 10-14, or maybe even better if Lebron or AD miss some extended time.

[dms269]

I think the resistance from the Hawks would be with Turner's contract situation. With Jalen Johnson's extension about to hit, a Turner new contract would for sure put the Hawks well into the tax.

[azuresou1]

There's a really high chance the Lakers pick turns into a lotto pick, and I don't want to move the pick in a high draft for immediate talent, given that this is still a really young team that has plenty of room/time to develop.

[JMAC3]

With both of these being expiring contracts a first round pick seems high for either side to pay. Feels like Hawks probably have to toss something in but not all that much.

[Scoot McGroot]

With both of these being expiring contracts a first round pick seems high for either side to pay. Feels like Hawks probably have to toss something in but not all that much.

Maybe, but there's just no way Indy is swapping Turner for a poor fit for just 2nds/cash. The chance of re-signing Myles is worth much more than that to Indy. Totally get that the Hawks may not want to pay that either, but, it definitely wouldn't from Indy.

[JMAC3]

With both of these being expiring contracts a first round pick seems high for either side to pay. Feels like Hawks probably have to toss something in but not all that much.

Maybe, but there's just no way Indy is swapping Turner for a poor fit for just 2nds/cash. The chance of re-signing Myles is worth much more than that to Indy. Totally get that the Hawks may not want to pay that either, but, it definitely wouldn't from Indy.

Why is Capela a poor fit? He is a better rebounder and EPM has him as a much better player this year. I agree Turner is a better shooter but it is not like Indy is playing a ton of non-shooters where Capela breaks the offense.

This year, Capela is 73% on off, 91% on def and 87% overall via epm.
Vs
Turner is 43% on off, 39% on def and 39% overall via epm.

https://dunksandthrees.com/stats/player

[Scoot McGroot]

With both of these being expiring contracts a first round pick seems high for either side to pay. Feels like Hawks probably have to toss something in but not all that much.

Maybe, but there's just no way Indy is swapping Turner for a poor fit for just 2nds/cash. The chance of re-signing Myles is worth much more than that to Indy. Totally get that the Hawks may not want to pay that either, but, it definitely wouldn't from Indy.

Why is Capela a poor fit? He is a better rebounder and EPM has him as a much better player this year. I agree Turner is a better shooter but it is not like Indy is playing a ton of non-shooters where Capela breaks the offense.

This year, Capela is 73% on off, 91% on def and 87% overall via epm.
Vs
Turner is 43% on off, 39% on def and 39% overall via epm.

https://dunksandthrees.com/stats/player

Style of play. The lane is already much more packed in for drivers with Siakam playing versus Obi/Nesmith last year. To turn Myles into Capela and play him with Siakam would pack the lane pretty tight. We’d have to probably stagger Capela/Siakam as much as possible.

[Wizop]

I don't think we trade Turner unless he comes to management and asks to be moved. that could happen but I don't expect it.

[mademan]

I think ATL will prioritize the Lakers pick here which is, right now imo, more likely to be a lotto pick than not over a better fitting vet C who will need to be paid.

[raleigh]

I don't think we trade Turner unless he comes to management and asks to be moved. that could happen but I don't expect it.

Do you think the plan is to try to re-sign him then?

[Wizop]

I don't think we trade Turner unless he comes to management and asks to be moved. that could happen but I don't expect it.

Do you think the plan is to try to re-sign him then?

Yes, I expect someone else to be moved so Turner can be resigned under the tax.

[JMAC3]

Style of play. The lane is already much more packed in for drivers with Siakam playing versus Obi/Nesmith last year. To turn Myles into Capela and play him with Siakam would pack the lane pretty tight. We’d have to probably stagger Capela/Siakam as much as possible.

Siakam is shooting 40% from three, so I don't think he has to be clogging the paint though. Capela looks to be much more impactful on defense this year than Turner, isn't defense the biggest issue with the Pacers? 23rd in Def Rating vs 15th in Off Rating.

24th in Def Rating last year. I would think fixing that would be the main concern and less to do with offense.

[Texas Chuck]

Style of play. The lane is already much more packed in for drivers with Siakam playing versus Obi/Nesmith last year. To turn Myles into Capela and play him with Siakam would pack the lane pretty tight. We’d have to probably stagger Capela/Siakam as much as possible.

Siakam is shooting 40% from three, so I don't think he has to be clogging the paint though. Capela looks to be much more impactful on defense this year than Turner, isn't defense the biggest issue with the Pacers? 23rd in Def Rating vs 15th in Off Rating.

24th in Def Rating last year. I would think fixing that would be the main concern and less to do with offense.

But you don't want Siakam forced into a spacing role. He's better than that.

You also have to understand who their coach is. Rick isn't going to play guys who hinder his offense. Now Capela is a fine rim roller, which Carlisle has certainly used effectively in the past. But offense will always be a primary consideration as long as he is there.

Even if Indy was worried about Turner's next deal and willing to make the swap, Atlanta shouldn't be willing to pay the price to make that happen. They aren't there yet.

[Scoot McGroot]

Style of play. The lane is already much more packed in for drivers with Siakam playing versus Obi/Nesmith last year. To turn Myles into Capela and play him with Siakam would pack the lane pretty tight. We’d have to probably stagger Capela/Siakam as much as possible.

Siakam is shooting 40% from three, so I don't think he has to be clogging the paint though. Capela looks to be much more impactful on defense this year than Turner, isn't defense the biggest issue with the Pacers? 23rd in Def Rating vs 15th in Off Rating.

24th in Def Rating last year. I would think fixing that would be the main concern and less to do with offense.

But you don't want Siakam forced into a spacing role. He's better than that.

You also have to understand who their coach is. Rick isn't going to play guys who hinder his offense. Now Capela is a fine rim roller, which Carlisle has certainly used effectively in the past. But offense will always be a primary consideration as long as he is there.

Even if Indy was worried about Turner's next deal and willing to make the swap, Atlanta shouldn't be willing to pay the price to make that happen. They aren't there yet.

Not just that, but Siakam is hitting from 3, but historically he hasn’t, and he’s not consistently pulling defenders out of the lane as an outside threat, as yet.

[CP War Hawks]

I think ATL will prioritize the Lakers pick here which is, right now imo, more likely to be a lotto pick than not over a better fitting vet C who will need to be paid.

You are correct here by a wide margin. Young cheap talent that can grow with the current group over a big that doesn't rebound and a future contract that'll push them over the tax is a non starter.