Nets/Pelicans/Thunder

[louc1970]

Nets trade: Johnson/Schroder
Nets receive: Ingram
Nets move to start the rebuild by going after Ingram. Nets payroll drops to $55m before DFS opts out/traded. Resign Ingram to $40-45m. Payroll still low enough to go get a max player (Butler?). Resign Cam Thomas with Claxton. Add in all the draft picks they will be getting and the team looks better.

OKC trades K. Williams, Dieng, pick (FRP or SRP - whichever makes it equal)
OKC receives: Schroder
OK gets a veteran guard to help with the playoffs. Once Hartenstein/Holmgren return they will have the majority of the bigs minutes.

NOP trades: Ingram
NOP returns: Cam Johnson, Williams, Dieng, pick
Johnson helps spread the floor with his shooting, Dieng to backup play with Williamson is out.

[JKiddy]

I am not saying BK says definitely no. But, they are trying to shed salary. Ingram is going to want $40M+ a season and I do not see BK paying that for BI.

They would rather just trade Dennis in another deal if they did and keep CamJo at his $20-$23M a year as his production is not so far off of BI's for half the salary.

[TheNetsFan]

If the Nets want to pay Ingram $40+mil/year, they can wait until the offseason to give him $40+mil per year. Given contract status, Cam Johnson, locked up for 2 more years at about half the price, is worth more than Ingram.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Yeah I tend to think Ingram for Cam is pretty fair, maybe slightly one way or the other, so can Dieng and the pick swing to BKN?

I don't really trust Dennis not to be a chemistry issue or revert in his play. He's been better on both for a while, but I have also seen the bad there. However, there are others who like this better than me and they could be right.

[Andre Roberstan]

Yeah I tend to think Ingram for Cam is pretty fair, maybe slightly one way or the other, so can Dieng and the pick swing to BKN?

I don't really trust Dennis not to be a chemistry issue or revert in his play. He's been better on both for a while, but I have also seen the bad there. However, there are others who like this better than me and they could be right.

This is pretty close to a Schroeder trade framework I put together the other day, with NOP as the third team. Also think putting in Topic/Jones instead of Kenrich is a more likely thing to happen (talking to league people the last day or two, they LOVE Kenrich in the locker room).

I like it. Adjusting the value slightly might be needed, but I think the framework is solid.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Yeah I tend to think Ingram for Cam is pretty fair, maybe slightly one way or the other, so can Dieng and the pick swing to BKN?

I don't really trust Dennis not to be a chemistry issue or revert in his play. He's been better on both for a while, but I have also seen the bad there. However, there are others who like this better than me and they could be right.

This is pretty close to a Schroeder trade framework I put together the other day, with NOP as the third team. Also think putting in Topic/Jones instead of Kenrich is a more likely thing to happen (talking to league people the last day or two, they LOVE Kenrich in the locker room).

I like it. Adjusting the value slightly might be needed, but I think the framework is solid.

Yep, you're "others" in my post lol.

Boy, if it's Dieng/Topic, I would want more than Schroder coming back.

[Andre Roberstan]

Yeah I tend to think Ingram for Cam is pretty fair, maybe slightly one way or the other, so can Dieng and the pick swing to BKN?

I don't really trust Dennis not to be a chemistry issue or revert in his play. He's been better on both for a while, but I have also seen the bad there. However, there are others who like this better than me and they could be right.

This is pretty close to a Schroeder trade framework I put together the other day, with NOP as the third team. Also think putting in Topic/Jones instead of Kenrich is a more likely thing to happen (talking to league people the last day or two, they LOVE Kenrich in the locker room).

I like it. Adjusting the value slightly might be needed, but I think the framework is solid.

Yep, you're "others" in my post lol.

Boy, if it's Dieng/Topic, I would want more than Schroder coming back.

Are you that high on Topic? I've seen too many Euroleague guards be just "fine" on offense (and tire fires defensively) to really value him.

[jayjaysee]

I think the Ingram/Cam part is pretty close. With Ingram now injured, I guess it’s fair to slant it in NOP’s favor.

Looking at NOP though, I think I’d prefer whatever pick value, opposed to bringing in a mid-sized contract if I were trading Ingram. Herb and Trey should be starting and playing big minutes with Zion moving forward.

And Brooklyn unfortunately has been just good enough not to tank. And for a team with no true star, that’s the worst place to be. So trading for an injured “star” and trying to tank.. Might be the best idea for them really. Even if you just let Ingram walk if he actually finds a 40+ million dollar offer and get use the additional cap space created in a different deal.

The OKC part, I would want to keep one of Kenrich or Dieng if I were OKC for the bench. Not sure Dennis would be happy with the role he’d have, or if I’d want to limit the youth minutes just for him.. But think if I was interested in Dennis, I would match with one of Dieng/Kenrich and Jaylin instead. Jaylin seems to be more of an energy/fan favorite but I’d rather have either Dieng’s ceiling or Kenrich’s work ethic on the roster.

[Karate Diop]

Hate it for the Nets... Don't want anything to do with Ingram, especially if he's on a long-term deal.

[MoneyTalks41890]

This is pretty close to a Schroeder trade framework I put together the other day, with NOP as the third team. Also think putting in Topic/Jones instead of Kenrich is a more likely thing to happen (talking to league people the last day or two, they LOVE Kenrich in the locker room).

I like it. Adjusting the value slightly might be needed, but I think the framework is solid.

Yep, you're "others" in my post lol.

Boy, if it's Dieng/Topic, I would want more than Schroder coming back.

Are you that high on Topic? I've seen too many Euroleague guards be just "fine" on offense (and tire fires defensively) to really value him.

I would just hope we wouldn’t give up on those guys like that yet. I’d rather hold onto some of that upside in a deal like this.

But Topic, Dillon Jones for Dennis would work salary wise.

[drchaos]

Cam is on a much better contract than Ingram.

Schroeder plus DFS might be closer is the Nets even want Ingram.

[MotownMadness]

Cam has a 4.7 OBPM compared to Ingram at 1.6

Cam is playing much better this year

[ecuhus1981]

I would cut the Pels out of this deal. Schröder for Dieng, Kenrich and a 2nd, works for me.

[DarkXaero]

Cam has a 4.7 OBPM compared to Ingram at 1.6

Cam is playing much better this year

Yeah then you add in the fact that Nets actually have the most cap space this offseason and could just theoretically get Ingram for free if they really wanted...This proposal just doesn't make sense for the Nets and they're giving up Schroder for no reason here too, who is playing at a high level and should return them value.

[louc1970]

If the Nets want to pay Ingram $40+mil/year, they can wait until the offseason to give him $40+mil per year. Given contract status, Cam Johnson, locked up for 2 more years at about half the price, is worth more than Ingram.

I disagree. Shedding Johnson allows the Nets to pursue another star and still be under the cap.
Keeping Johnson and then signing Ingram only allows about $40m to sign the remaining players - plus pay Thomas. No other star is coming for less than close to max money. And those currently available that would come - short of Butler - are not changing the trajectory.

[louc1970]

I think the Ingram/Cam part is pretty close. With Ingram now injured, I guess it’s fair to slant it in NOP’s favor.

L[b]ooking at NOP though, I think I’d prefer whatever pick value, opposed to bringing in a mid-sized contract if I were trading Ingram. Herb and Trey should be starting and playing big minutes with Zion moving forward.[/b]

And Brooklyn unfortunately has been just good enough not to tank. And for a team with no true star, that’s the worst place to be. So trading for an injured “star” and trying to tank.. Might be the best idea for them really. Even if you just let Ingram walk if he actually finds a 40+ million dollar offer and get use the additional cap space created in a different deal.

The OKC part, I would want to keep one of Kenrich or Dieng if I were OKC for the bench. Not sure Dennis would be happy with the role he’d have, or if I’d want to limit the youth minutes just for him.. But think if I was interested in Dennis, I would match with one of Dieng/Kenrich and Jaylin instead. Jaylin seems to be more of an energy/fan favorite but I’d rather have either Dieng’s ceiling or Kenrich’s work ethic on the roster.

My issue with Murphy and Jones is they simply are not good enough to win without a superstar next to them.
No one wants to trade either of them because of what they "might become", but reality is they are not the face of any team and most likely will always be slightly above role players.
The affinity given to them is too much.

[louc1970]

Cam has a 4.7 OBPM compared to Ingram at 1.6

Cam is playing much better this year

Yeah then you add in the fact that Nets actually have the most cap space this offseason and could just theoretically get Ingram for free if they really wanted...This proposal just doesn't make sense for the Nets and they're giving up Schroder for no reason here too, who is playing at a high level and should return them value.

Is Shroder going to be around when the Nets are competitive? He is 31 now on a 1 year deal. Move him for youth (I like the Dieng/Topic idea).
Keep in mind the Nets were trying to tank this year but are playing better than expected. Pacers.76ers are underwhelming so far.

[jayjaysee]

My issue with Murphy and Jones is they simply are not good enough to win without a superstar next to them.
No one wants to trade either of them because of what they "might become", but reality is they are not the face of any team and most likely will always be slightly above role players.
The affinity given to them is too much.

Yeah, I hope no one values either of them as face of the teams or close to it. But they are both locked up and young enough, talented enough, and impact games. The majority of teams would start one of them and be very happy… but beyond that, how many teams in the league wouldn’t play either 28 mpg?

Calling them slightly above average feels strange honestly. I’d go much closer to already elite role players than slightly above average.. neither really has a “superstar” game though.

And if you’re building a team, better or worse, around Murray and Zion.. you want those two starting between them right?

And I think at this point, that’s the best plan for NOP. Trade Ingram. Rest Zion. Let this season end terribly, get a high draft pick in a hyped draft and have spacing and defense around DJM/Zion and see how it works.

[DarkXaero]

Cam has a 4.7 OBPM compared to Ingram at 1.6

Cam is playing much better this year

Yeah then you add in the fact that Nets actually have the most cap space this offseason and could just theoretically get Ingram for free if they really wanted...This proposal just doesn't make sense for the Nets and they're giving up Schroder for no reason here too, who is playing at a high level and should return them value.

Is Shroder going to be around when the Nets are competitive? He is 31 now on a 1 year deal. Move him for youth (I like the Dieng/Topic idea).
Keep in mind the Nets were trying to tank this year but are playing better than expected. Pacers.76ers are underwhelming so far.

Nets can trade Schroder for 2nd round picks at the very least, he's an expiring MLE level salary and a very productive player this year so far. As for Schroder's value to the Nets, he's undoubtedly the Nets' locker room leader and has been a great vet to the young guys on the roster. However, at the same time, its important for Nets to trade him (to lose games) because they'll get significantly worse without his playmaking/floor general skills and having no one to replace him with.

[Ell Curry]

If the Nets want to pay Ingram $40+mil/year, they can wait until the offseason to give him $40+mil per year. Given contract status, Cam Johnson, locked up for 2 more years at about half the price, is worth more than Ingram.

Yeah, the move here would be say Cam Johnson to the Warriors or Magic, grab a 1st rounder from them and overpay Ingram this summer.