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Re: 2025 NBA DRAFT PROSPECTS 

Post#1621 » by Yallbecrazy » Fri Dec 13, 2024 10:49 pm

Sengun comparisons need to stop entirely.
Sengun as an 18 year old put up similar level stats to a 22 year old Tim Duncan Against arguably better competition and Duncan is considered one of the top 5 prospects of the last 30 years.

Sengun was super unique as an undersized big without a vertical, but all time great feel for the game as a prospect and footwork as well as incredible touch.
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Post#1622 » by PhilBlackson » Sat Dec 14, 2024 12:09 am

Yallbecrazy wrote:Sengun comparisons need to stop entirely.
Sengun as an 18 year old put up similar level stats to a 22 year old Tim Duncan Against arguably better competition and Duncan is considered one of the top 5 prospects of the last 30 years.

Sengun was super unique as an undersized big without a vertical, but all time great feel for the game as a prospect and footwork as well as incredible touch.


Why because you say so?! lol Of course when we draw comparisons they're not "exacts", there will be some variation obviously to each player's games. Comparisons are more so a lose point of reference or a semblance to another player just as some have described Sengun as a "Baby Jokic" but obviously that doesn't make him his exact replica. Even when I mentioned his name it was also mainly in reference to being a very skilled players that's slept on due to their appearance/perceived fear of their lack of athleticism.

But it's hilarious to act as if Queen isn't even worthy of comparison....The kid is 1st in winshares & player efficiency rating in his conference so it's not like he's some empty stat player. But if we look at the numbers of course there's some variation but it's not as if Queen's numbers "don't belong" lol as there are actually categories he leads in. But if you blanked out the names, I would never say "he needs to stop being compared entirely" lol. Of course I have a TON of respect for Sengun's game but let's put some respect on Queen's too. You think Sengun is the superior player, that's cool but sorry I don't buy that it's outrageous to draw a comparison even if you want to give him the edge and I think the numbers show it's not anywhere near as far off as you might have thought...



Without reading the fine print, which numbers jump out that "shouldn't even be compared"???


Player A: Per 40 numbers

22.7ppg, 16rpg, 3.6bpg, 3.4apg .628 2P%, .608 FG% .636 FT%, .629 TS%, .616 eFG%


Player B: Per 40 numbers

25.4ppg, 12.6rpg, 1.6bpg, 3.5apg, .684 2P%, .609 FG%, .78 FT%, .654 TS%, .618 eFG%


Player C: Per 36 numbers

24.4ppg, 11.9rpg, 2.1pbg, 3.2apg, .679 2P%, .646 FG%, .81 FT%, .708 TS%, .653 eFG%


*A: Duncan, B: Queen, C: Sengun
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Post#1623 » by Yallbecrazy » Sat Dec 14, 2024 12:51 am

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Yallbecrazy wrote:Sengun comparisons need to stop entirely.
Sengun as an 18 year old put up similar level stats to a 22 year old Tim Duncan Against arguably better competition and Duncan is considered one of the top 5 prospects of the last 30 years.

Sengun was super unique as an undersized big without a vertical, but all time great feel for the game as a prospect and footwork as well as incredible touch.


Why because you say so?! lol Of course when we draw comparisons they're not "exacts", there will be some variation obviously to each player's games. Comparisons are more so a lose point of reference or a semblance to another player just as some have described Sengun as a "Baby Jokic" but obviously that doesn't make him his exact replica. Even when I mentioned his name it was also mainly in reference to being a very skilled players that's slept on due to their appearance/perceived fear of their lack of athleticism.

But it's hilarious to act as if Queen isn't even worthy of comparison....The kid is 1st in winshares & player efficiency rating in his conference so it's not like he's some empty stat player. But if we look at the numbers of course there's some variation but it's not as if Queen's numbers "don't belong" lol as there are actually categories he leads in. But if you blanked out the names, I would never say "he needs to stop being compared entirely" lol. Of course I have a TON of respect for Sengun's game but let's put some respect on Queen's too. You think Sengun is the superior player, that's cool but sorry I don't buy that it's outrageous to draw a comparison even if you want to give him the edge and I think the numbers show it's not anywhere near as far off as you might have thought...



Without reading the fine print, which numbers jump out that "shouldn't even be compared"???


Player A: Per 40 numbers

22.7ppg, 16rpg, 3.6bpg, 3.4apg .628 2P%, .608 FG% .636 FT%, .629 TS%, .616 eFG%


Player B: Per 40 numbers

25.4ppg, 12.6rpg, 1.6bpg, 3.5apg, .684 2P%, .609 FG%, .78 FT%, .654 TS%, .618 eFG%


Player C: Per 36 numbers

24.4ppg, 11.9rpg, 2.1pbg, 3.2apg, .679 2P%, .646 FG%, .81 FT%, .708 TS%, .653 eFG%


*A: Duncan, B: Queen, C: Sengun


Wasn't my point, Queen might be better(unlikely, but possible). My point was Sengun was such an incredible outlier, we aren't going to see guys with his archetype. He has/had major flaws as a prospect(mainly archetype), but was so insanely good at what he did well and his strengths (post play and passing) complemented each other well.
There are other good passing bigs to conpare Queen to. One shouldn't be comparing playmaking bigs to Jokic or prolific shooting guards to Curry.
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Post#1624 » by PhilBlackson » Sat Dec 14, 2024 1:29 am

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Yallbecrazy wrote:Sengun comparisons need to stop entirely.
Sengun as an 18 year old put up similar level stats to a 22 year old Tim Duncan Against arguably better competition and Duncan is considered one of the top 5 prospects of the last 30 years.

Sengun was super unique as an undersized big without a vertical, but all time great feel for the game as a prospect and footwork as well as incredible touch.


Why because you say so?! lol Of course when we draw comparisons they're not "exacts", there will be some variation obviously to each player's games. Comparisons are more so a lose point of reference or a semblance to another player just as some have described Sengun as a "Baby Jokic" but obviously that doesn't make him his exact replica. Even when I mentioned his name it was also mainly in reference to being a very skilled players that's slept on due to their appearance/perceived fear of their lack of athleticism.

But it's hilarious to act as if Queen isn't even worthy of comparison....The kid is 1st in winshares & player efficiency rating in his conference so it's not like he's some empty stat player. But if we look at the numbers of course there's some variation but it's not as if Queen's numbers "don't belong" lol as there are actually categories he leads in. But if you blanked out the names, I would never say "he needs to stop being compared entirely" lol. Of course I have a TON of respect for Sengun's game but let's put some respect on Queen's too. You think Sengun is the superior player, that's cool but sorry I don't buy that it's outrageous to draw a comparison even if you want to give him the edge and I think the numbers show it's not anywhere near as far off as you might have thought...



Without reading the fine print, which numbers jump out that "shouldn't even be compared"???


Player A: Per 40 numbers

22.7ppg, 16rpg, 3.6bpg, 3.4apg .628 2P%, .608 FG% .636 FT%, .629 TS%, .616 eFG%


Player B: Per 40 numbers

25.4ppg, 12.6rpg, 1.6bpg, 3.5apg, .684 2P%, .609 FG%, .78 FT%, .654 TS%, .618 eFG%


Player C: Per 36 numbers

24.4ppg, 11.9rpg, 2.1pbg, 3.2apg, .679 2P%, .646 FG%, .81 FT%, .708 TS%, .653 eFG%


*A: Duncan, B: Queen, C: Sengun


Wasn't my point, Queen might be better(unlikely, but possible). My point was Sengun was such an incredible outlier, we aren't going to see guys with his archetype. He has/had major flaws as a prospect(mainly archetype), but was so insanely good at what he did well and his strengths (post play and passing) complemented each other well.
There are other good passing bigs to conpare Queen to. One shouldn't be comparing playmaking bigs to Jokic or prolific shooting guards to Curry.


Sorry I just don't agree with that sentiment or get what's the big deal of it, again a lot of times when people draw "comparisons" what they're actually doing is saying that "X" player has a semblance to another in whatever way which again is just a point of reference. It also isn't like Queen doesn't have the production to merit it.

Each guy will obviously have things which make them unique from each other but Queen's strengths are pretty much the same - post play and passing lol. Does he do it in a different way?! Yeah he gets more into his opponent's chest, uses hook shots more often, I see more spotting up from the mid-range. BUT nonetheless they're incredibly efficient big men who were/are again are excellent in the post, damn good passers of the bball and great bball IQ that were unfairly judged based off of their appearances not their games. And who's to say which "good passing bigs" I need to compare him to?! Likewise if I don't think they're exactly the same I can shoot it down too lol but his numbers are on par/almost identical at the same stage. While I think Sengun is a FANTASTIC player, I don't think he's touching Jokic but yet the "comparison" gets made and I'm not bothered by it because I get what people are saying, likewise here. They are all their own players.

Just like if someone made some "comparisons" between Steph & Dame...each guy is elite shooting guard that can be 30+oppg scorers if they want but they do it in different ways despite having some similar strengths. I'm not hung up on them needing to be exacts in order for someone interchangeably use each other's names as a point of reference in a comparison. Especially if the person is acknowledging there is variation as I am but you seem a bit hung up on comparisons being exacts and that's not really what comparisons are just as if I compared cities, cars etc - they'll have things which make them unique but likewise similarities which cause the comparison to be made, there are similarities there and even the numbers show it.
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Post#1625 » by Indeed » Sat Dec 14, 2024 1:47 am

Yallbecrazy wrote:Sengun comparisons need to stop entirely.
Sengun as an 18 year old put up similar level stats to a 22 year old Tim Duncan Against arguably better competition and Duncan is considered one of the top 5 prospects of the last 30 years.

Sengun was super unique as an undersized big without a vertical, but all time great feel for the game as a prospect and footwork as well as incredible touch.


But the ceiling of Sengun is much lower than Duncan.
Believe Duncan to have more than 7'4 wingspan, which allows him to block shot and protect the rim. The number of drives were way down against Duncan.
Meanwhile, Sengun only has 7' wingspan, and the ceiling is limited. Certainly can still be a good scorer, but not a good comparison to same talent with better physical measurements.
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Post#1626 » by Yallbecrazy » Sat Dec 14, 2024 2:07 am

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Yallbecrazy wrote:Sengun comparisons need to stop entirely.
Sengun as an 18 year old put up similar level stats to a 22 year old Tim Duncan Against arguably better competition and Duncan is considered one of the top 5 prospects of the last 30 years.

Sengun was super unique as an undersized big without a vertical, but all time great feel for the game as a prospect and footwork as well as incredible touch.


But the ceiling of Sengun is much lower than Duncan.
Believe Duncan to have more than 7'4 wingspan, which allows him to block shot and protect the rim. The number of drives were way down against Duncan.
Meanwhile, Sengun only has 7' wingspan, and the ceiling is limited. Certainly can still be a good scorer, but not a good comparison to same talent with better physical measurements.



I am in no way saying Sengun was a better prospect than Duncan just because his stats were better. My point was he was such an insane outlier as a prospect because of those numbers
We are probably going to see a prospect like him less than once every 50 years- Insane outlier production against top competition while also projecting to be one of the worst 'athletes' in the draft from a size+ jumping+ lateral quickness standpoint taken in the first round in the modern game.
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Post#1627 » by Indeed » Sat Dec 14, 2024 4:25 am

Yallbecrazy wrote:
Indeed wrote:
Yallbecrazy wrote:Sengun comparisons need to stop entirely.
Sengun as an 18 year old put up similar level stats to a 22 year old Tim Duncan Against arguably better competition and Duncan is considered one of the top 5 prospects of the last 30 years.

Sengun was super unique as an undersized big without a vertical, but all time great feel for the game as a prospect and footwork as well as incredible touch.


But the ceiling of Sengun is much lower than Duncan.
Believe Duncan to have more than 7'4 wingspan, which allows him to block shot and protect the rim. The number of drives were way down against Duncan.
Meanwhile, Sengun only has 7' wingspan, and the ceiling is limited. Certainly can still be a good scorer, but not a good comparison to same talent with better physical measurements.



I am in no way saying Sengun was a better prospect than Duncan just because his stats were better. My point was he was such an insane outlier as a prospect because of those numbers
We are probably going to see a prospect like him less than once every 50 years- Insane outlier production against top competition while also projecting to be one of the worst 'athletes' in the draft from a size+ jumping+ lateral quickness standpoint taken in the first round in the modern game.


I see, right, unless a player are skillful at a point where he can cover come physical limitation (eg. Curry with quick and accurate release). However, those can also be measured and come out with reasons on whether it can be transitioned.

Anyway, measurement is still more reliable, imo.
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Post#1628 » by Ell Curry » Sat Dec 14, 2024 4:32 am

Yallbecrazy wrote:Sengun comparisons need to stop entirely.
Sengun as an 18 year old put up similar level stats to a 22 year old Tim Duncan Against arguably better competition and Duncan is considered one of the top 5 prospects of the last 30 years.

Sengun was super unique as an undersized big without a vertical, but all time great feel for the game as a prospect and footwork as well as incredible touch.


Agreed. Sengun was putting up MVP numbers in the 3rd-5th best league in the world (Does Euroleague count as a league, or is it not enough games and it should just count as a cup? ESPN says Spain and Turkey are next after Euroleague, the most upvoted post on Reddit on this had Spain the top in Europe but Greece ahead of Turkey and I'm too ignorant to dispute that) as an 18 year old.

Could Queen do that if he was playing in the Turkish league when he was a HS senior (Sengun won it for his age 18 season, Queen turned 19 about a year ago, halfway through his season, but let's give Queen the benefit of the doubt of a a few months not mattering much)? I have no idea. But Sengun was proven in a way that Queen just isn't and won't be.

So, a scout or fan might have a take on if he is, but europeans kept coming on these boards and reddit and telling us Sengun was maybe the 2nd most accomplished 18 year old in European basketball after Luka (Wemby similarly was MVP of his league since) depending on how you rated Rubio's teenage years. Bargnani didn't get minutes at age 18. Gallinari was rookie of the year in Italy at 18, but got to that Sengun type best player in his league level the next year. Porzingis was a solid to good bench player at 18. Avdija was the league MVP at 18, but it was Israel and that's seen as a league in the 12-15 range apparently?

I might be underrating the NCAA, but I watch the Big 10, and you can definitely be a quality big man there, even as a freshman (Cockburn, Sullinger) without being an NBA rotation guy (Sullinger got a few years on reputation, but he wasn't good). So Queen might be really good. Sengun was probably really good. Huge difference, and certainty matters.

I'm a Michigan fan, so seeing Wagner play defence I had him in that 2nd group of NCAA guys. 1st tier was Cade, who had height and shooting (he's been surprisingly meh so far until this year from 3 but he's young) and poise on the wing and Mobley, who was just incredible on defence, to the point where I'm always expecting Cleveland to trade Jarrett Allen for a wing/forward who can shoot since Mobley looked like the perfect modern 5 defensively since only his strength wasn't elite and basically no centers dominate in the low post much anymore. I only saw highlights of Giddey and Jalen Green and Kuminga so was agnostic on them) with Barnes and Suggs. But when guys like Bouknight (meh shooters, no stocks, not a passer, not great size or anything) and Ziaire Williams (just bad stats across the board) and Duarte (solid 3+D prospect, but he was 23 and not 20) I was really surprised.
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Post#1629 » by Thaddy » Sat Dec 14, 2024 5:31 am

Queen is no where near Sengun level. I wouldn't put him ahead of Maluach. A C should primarily be a great rim protector, and then you look for stretch ability. Unless the C can be a main piece due to overwhelming physical and skill advantages it's a bad idea to stray from the principle skills required of that position.

The best fit in this draft next to Barnes is easily Harper. I would list Maluach and Edgecomb as other good fits next to him on the defensive end. If we want another good creator I would look at Jakucionis. The off ball ability, finishing, and physical skills look better than Demin.

If I had to pick today and we are outside the top 5 I would look towards Maluach or Edgecombe depending on combine numbers. If we get the C of the next 10 years this draft it would be a win. A future of potentially having Maluach, Chomche, and Barnes as our front court would make us one of the best interior defenses in the league.
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Post#1630 » by Ell Curry » Sat Dec 14, 2024 6:26 am

Thaddy wrote:Queen is no where near Sengun level. I wouldn't put him ahead of Maluach. A C should primarily be a great rim protector, and then you look for stretch ability. Unless the C can be a main piece due to overwhelming physical and skill advantages it's a bad idea to stray from the principle skills required of that position.

The best fit in this draft next to Barnes is easily Harper. I would list Maluach and Edgecomb as other good fits next to him on the defensive end. If we want another good creator I would look at Jakucionis. The off ball ability, finishing, and physical skills look better than Demin.

If I had to pick today and we are outside the top 5 I would look towards Maluach or Edgecombe depending on combine numbers. If we get the C of the next 10 years this draft it would be a win. A future of potentially having Maluach, Chomche, and Barnes as our front court would make us one of the best interior defenses in the league.


My worry if we go with Maluach, and let's say he's a very good but not great pick, so a solid Jarrett Allen type starting center, or Capela if he made free throws, then we're still putting so much of the creation need on Barnes' shoulders. We have Barrett's contract to trade with our full coterie of picks (and the extra Indy one) and maybe still 1-2 lotto picks in the 2026 draft (us or Pacers, might well be fighting in the play-in and we get it either way), but those guys are hard to trade for. Feels likelier we can get a good center with one of our 2026 picks (or by packaging them) or a trade then a proper 2nd star to go with Barnes.
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Post#1631 » by Son Goku 25 » Sat Dec 14, 2024 8:42 am

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Thaddy wrote:Queen is no where near Sengun level. I wouldn't put him ahead of Maluach. A C should primarily be a great rim protector, and then you look for stretch ability. Unless the C can be a main piece due to overwhelming physical and skill advantages it's a bad idea to stray from the principle skills required of that position.

The best fit in this draft next to Barnes is easily Harper. I would list Maluach and Edgecomb as other good fits next to him on the defensive end. If we want another good creator I would look at Jakucionis. The off ball ability, finishing, and physical skills look better than Demin.

If I had to pick today and we are outside the top 5 I would look towards Maluach or Edgecombe depending on combine numbers. If we get the C of the next 10 years this draft it would be a win. A future of potentially having Maluach, Chomche, and Barnes as our front court would make us one of the best interior defenses in the league.


My worry if we go with Maluach, and let's say he's a very good but not great pick, so a solid Jarrett Allen type starting center, or Capela if he made free throws, then we're still putting so much of the creation need on Barnes' shoulders. We have Barrett's contract to trade with our full coterie of picks (and the extra Indy one) and maybe still 1-2 lotto picks in the 2026 draft (us or Pacers, might well be fighting in the play-in and we get it either way), but those guys are hard to trade for. Feels likelier we can get a good center with one of our 2026 picks (or by packaging them) or a trade then a proper 2nd star to go with Barnes.


I think it'll be BPA as usual which I'd hope is a star and a shot creator/maker. Edgecomb has got some potential but his offensive game has a long way to go. He can be a really good two way player.

Although Dylan Harper is weaker on defense I feel like his offensive game and size at the guard position would be too much to ignore. He'd make our offense next level and we can fill out secondary and third options later as well as defensively we are already showing promise.
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Post#1632 » by Thaddy » Sat Dec 14, 2024 9:53 am

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Thaddy wrote:Queen is no where near Sengun level. I wouldn't put him ahead of Maluach. A C should primarily be a great rim protector, and then you look for stretch ability. Unless the C can be a main piece due to overwhelming physical and skill advantages it's a bad idea to stray from the principle skills required of that position.

The best fit in this draft next to Barnes is easily Harper. I would list Maluach and Edgecomb as other good fits next to him on the defensive end. If we want another good creator I would look at Jakucionis. The off ball ability, finishing, and physical skills look better than Demin.

If I had to pick today and we are outside the top 5 I would look towards Maluach or Edgecombe depending on combine numbers. If we get the C of the next 10 years this draft it would be a win. A future of potentially having Maluach, Chomche, and Barnes as our front court would make us one of the best interior defenses in the league.


My worry if we go with Maluach, and let's say he's a very good but not great pick, so a solid Jarrett Allen type starting center, or Capela if he made free throws, then we're still putting so much of the creation need on Barnes' shoulders. We have Barrett's contract to trade with our full coterie of picks (and the extra Indy one) and maybe still 1-2 lotto picks in the 2026 draft (us or Pacers, might well be fighting in the play-in and we get it either way), but those guys are hard to trade for. Feels likelier we can get a good center with one of our 2026 picks (or by packaging them) or a trade then a proper 2nd star to go with Barnes.


I think it'll be BPA as usual which I'd hope is a star and a shot creator/maker. Edgecomb has got some potential but his offensive game has a long way to go. He can be a really good two way player.

Although Dylan Harper is weaker on defense I feel like his offensive game and size at the guard position would be too much to ignore. He'd make our offense next level and we can fill out secondary and third options later as well as defensively we are already showing promise.

If we got an elite defensive star I would be happy. I could see Maluach becoming a DPOTY and also being able to stretch the floor. He's got a great shooting touch and he could be one of the few stretch defensive bigs in the league. That would fit great with Barnes and make him a better offensive player. We also never had the luxury of a lob threat, a big man that has gravity going down the lane is basically a cheat code. A PF and C pick and roll would dismantle a front court like the Cavs have, that's something we could run with Barnes and a stretch big.

The ideally pick would be a 6'8+ creator that can stretch the floor, pass, and hold his own on defense. That might be out of our range. One of the things I look for when I pick a prospect I like is how they will fare on defense. Edgecombe should be okay against most wings at the NBA level with his instincts and physical traits. The handle, shot, and skills need work but he has the foundational athletic and physical tools to figure out the rest. However, I view him as a high bust potential for the mere reason egarding his handle. He's had several years to develop that foundational ability but it's not where it should be for a guard.

If I had a gun to my head and needed to pick someone today I would go with Maluach, there's a lower bust potential. Later on that might be Edgecombe who has clear upside. Both of these guys look like they would excel on defense and translate their defense into transition buckets. That can be built upon to develop a half court offense.

Maluach
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I just think that would be an excellent line up. Maluach would pull the opposing C out of the paint and amplify the rim pressure Barnes and Barrett apply. Then the 4/5 pick and roll with the spacing coming from IQ/Dick and Barrett would make the floor very big for Barnes to work with.
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Post#1633 » by Jstock12 » Sat Dec 14, 2024 11:50 am

Ell Curry wrote:Agreed. Sengun was putting up MVP numbers in the 3rd-5th best league in the world (Does Euroleague count as a league, or is it not enough games and it should just count as a cup? ESPN says Spain and Turkey are next after Euroleague, the most upvoted post on Reddit on this had Spain the top in Europe but Greece ahead of Turkey and I'm too ignorant to dispute that) as an 18 year old.

Euroleague is the 2nd best league in the world and by far the strongest in Europe because it features only the strongest teams in Europe, while a domestic league like the Spanish ACB will have a lot of much weaker Spanish teams competing that are nowhere near the level of Euroleague or even the Eurocup. Currently the Euroleague format is 18 teams playing 34 regular season games + a playin + quarterfinal series (best of five) + final four (a single game semifinals and finals, much like NCAA's top4). In total it could be a maximum of 43 games. In addition to that, Euroleague teams also compete in their respective domestic leagues that could also amount to around 30-40 games.

In Sengun's case, he never played in the Euroleague. The international leagues he played in was the FIBA Champions League in 2019-20 (despite it's name, it's only the 3rd best international competition in Europe) and FIBA Europe Cup in 2020-21 (the weakest international competition in Europe).

It can become a bit of a convoluted mess if you try to rank the European leagues when mixing international competitions and domestic leagues together, because there will be overlaps of some teams competing in two of those leagues.

My ranking for non-domestic European leagues would be:
1. Euroleague
...
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2. Eurocup
3. FIBA Champions League
4. VTB League
5. FIBA Europe Cup / Adriatic league etc.

European domestic ones would go something like:
1. Spanish ACB
2. Turkish league (while both Turkish/Greek leagues feature a couple really good Euroleage teams, I think the Turkish league is deeper in talent, while the Greek league really drops off after the best 3-4 teams)
3. Greek league
4. French/German/Italian
5. Others

As you can see, while Sengun never played in the Euroleague like Doncic, he played in a really strong domestic Turkish league and dominated there, winning the MVP.
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My worry if we go with Maluach, and let's say he's a very good but not great pick, so a solid Jarrett Allen type starting center, or Capela if he made free throws, then we're still putting so much of the creation need on Barnes' shoulders. We have Barrett's contract to trade with our full coterie of picks (and the extra Indy one) and maybe still 1-2 lotto picks in the 2026 draft (us or Pacers, might well be fighting in the play-in and we get it either way), but those guys are hard to trade for. Feels likelier we can get a good center with one of our 2026 picks (or by packaging them) or a trade then a proper 2nd star to go with Barnes.


I think it'll be BPA as usual which I'd hope is a star and a shot creator/maker. Edgecomb has got some potential but his offensive game has a long way to go. He can be a really good two way player.

Although Dylan Harper is weaker on defense I feel like his offensive game and size at the guard position would be too much to ignore. He'd make our offense next level and we can fill out secondary and third options later as well as defensively we are already showing promise.

If we got an elite defensive star I would be happy. I could see Maluach becoming a DPOTY and also being able to stretch the floor. He's got a great shooting touch and he could be one of the few stretch defensive bigs in the league. That would fit great with Barnes and make him a better offensive player. We also never had the luxury of a lob threat, a big man that has gravity going down the lane is basically a cheat code. A PF and C pick and roll would dismantle a front court like the Cavs have, that's something we could run with Barnes and a stretch big.

The ideally pick would be a 6'8+ creator that can stretch the floor, pass, and hold his own on defense. That might be out of our range. One of the things I look for when I pick a prospect I like is how they will fare on defense. Edgecombe should be okay against most wings at the NBA level with his instincts and physical traits. The handle, shot, and skills need work but he has the foundational athletic and physical tools to figure out the rest. However, I view him as a high bust potential for the mere reason egarding his handle. He's had several years to develop that foundational ability but it's not where it should be for a guard.

If I had a gun to my head and needed to pick someone today I would go with Maluach, there's a lower bust potential. Later on that might be Edgecombe who has clear upside. Both of these guys look like they would excel on defense and translate their defense into transition buckets. That can be built upon to develop a half court offense.

Maluach
Barnes
Barrett
Dick
Quickely

I just think that would be an excellent line up. Maluach would pull the opposing C out of the paint and amplify the rim pressure Barnes and Barrett apply. Then the 4/5 pick and roll with the spacing coming from IQ/Dick and Barrett would make the floor very big for Barnes to work with.


Ideal scenario is a top 5 pick + Maluach. How? By trading the 2026 IND pick + the 2026 TOR pick (top 4 protected).

Maluach
Barnes
Flagg
Dick
Quickely

6th - Barrett

Maluach
Barnes
Barrett
Harper
Quickely

6th - Dick

something like that would be so nice.
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Post#1635 » by Psubs » Sat Dec 14, 2024 3:38 pm

5th year senior Chaz Lanier is like Buddy Hield 2.0

Why isn't he mocked, when he transferred to Tenneseee and are currently #1?

Huge game today Tennessee vs Illinois!!! :o



I guess for contending teams late in the 1st and early 2nd should get serniors Kam Jones and Chaz Lanier.
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Post#1636 » by arbsn » Sat Dec 14, 2024 3:47 pm

This draft is shaping up to be veryyy good

Crazy how we might get top 5 picks in the 2 best drafts this decade.

Really can't go wrong with any guys in the top 8/9 right now
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Post#1637 » by Cmike17 » Sat Dec 14, 2024 7:56 pm

Psubs wrote:5th year senior Chaz Lanier is like Buddy Hield 2.0

Why isn't he mocked, when he transferred to Tenneseee and are currently #1?

Huge game today Tennessee vs Illinois!!! :o



I guess for contending teams late in the 1st and early 2nd should get serniors Kam Jones and Chaz Lanier.




Should be a good game, looking forward to seeing Jakucionis against a top defence
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Post#1638 » by DG88 » Sat Dec 14, 2024 10:35 pm

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Post#1639 » by aminiaturebuddha » Sat Dec 14, 2024 11:05 pm

DG88 wrote:
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That was a big clutch shot there to win it by Harper.

But I have to say, that was atrocious defence by the Seton Hall player on that play. Not sure what he was doing.
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