Change My View: The Bubble championship is the most pure championship ever

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Re: Change My View: The Bubble championship is the most pure championship ever 

Post#21 » by Johnny Bball » Sat Dec 14, 2024 1:43 pm

ScrantonBulls wrote:The reasoning is simple. The playing field was dead even every game. Neither team had home court. Home court advantage is a REAL thing. The odds show it. That could be because of the gone team being more comfortable and getting cheered, or because refs unconsciously have slight bias towards the home team because of the pressure of the crowd.

NEITHER team had home court. It was completely fair in that aspect. One team doesn't have to sleep in hotels while the other got to sleep in their cozy mansion. Neither had the burden of traveling. The resting and traveling conditions were identical.

The bubble year was the most even playing field ever. All conditions were equal for the teams. Never before have the conditions been so equal. That's what makes it the purest championship ever.


One team broke the rules and practiced together for the months leading up. Certain players could not even get a court. Least pure of all time.
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Re: Change My View: The Bubble championship is the most pure championship ever 

Post#22 » by druggas » Sat Dec 14, 2024 1:48 pm

Optms wrote:Not to mention the Lakers were old. And it obviously takes older players more time to get going. No old team ever started any regular season red hot.

Making bubble chip more legit. RealGMers just can't handle it.

Uh, the 72 Lakers say "Hi".
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Re: Change My View: The Bubble championship is the most pure championship ever 

Post#23 » by Sofia » Sat Dec 14, 2024 1:51 pm

Revived wrote:Playing in front of crowds is what adds pressure. The pressure is what many players cannot play under.

There’s guys at parks all across America that are crazy athletic and can shoot, score, defend, dunk etc all at a high level, even better than NBA players but their day job is selling insurance or working solar panels. Why? Because they could never do those things under the pressure of thousands watching live in college or pros or wherever.


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Re: Change My View: The Bubble championship is the most pure championship ever 

Post#24 » by UcanUwill » Sat Dec 14, 2024 2:02 pm

I think one thing against bubble ship to me, is the fact players hated being there. I am not saying they lost on purpose to just get out, cause they didn't, but I imagine a lot of players didn't feel terrible when they were eliminated.
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Post#25 » by LockoutSeason » Sat Dec 14, 2024 2:11 pm

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Re: Change My View: The Bubble championship is the most pure championship ever 

Post#26 » by UcanUwill » Sat Dec 14, 2024 2:12 pm

Sofia wrote:
Revived wrote:Playing in front of crowds is what adds pressure. The pressure is what many players cannot play under.

There’s guys at parks all across America that are crazy athletic and can shoot, score, defend, dunk etc all at a high level, even better than NBA players but their day job is selling insurance or working solar panels. Why? Because they could never do those things under the pressure of thousands watching live in college or pros or wherever.


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That was terrible take, random dudes on parks better than NBA players :lol: I swear this is exclusively American ignorance problem, some people have zero clue how good NBA guys are, its super embarrassing. We in Europe have better feel, because we see how many levels you need to jump to just reach NBA. Some of our best players never made NBA or were bad at it, but nah man, random American dudes in a park are better than NBA players rofl...

We here have amateur leagues, and some former pros play there, guys 40 year old former PROs like Jonas Mačiulis, smoke any random dude with zero problem, and guys liek Mačiulis were at best Euroleague role players in their prime, they are washed up men now, they still 10 times better than any amateur you will throw at them. But I guess they never played against American Supermen race, these guys are something else in a park.
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Re: Change My View: The Bubble championship is the most pure championship ever 

Post#27 » by Karate Diop » Sat Dec 14, 2024 2:58 pm

They should choose a different bubble city every year and do all playoff games there!

(I'm just joking, but I apologize in advance if Adam Silver reads this and makes it a reality...)
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Post#28 » by MavsDirk41 » Sat Dec 14, 2024 3:14 pm

Room service while living at a Disney resort, no travel, no crowds, just hanging out and playing basketball in empty gyms, after having 4 months of rest and recovery. But this was the most pure championship ever lol? Lebron James stans are a cult.
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Post#29 » by MavsDirk41 » Sat Dec 14, 2024 3:18 pm

Godymas wrote:It is, anyone that attempts to discredit the championship is doing a disservice.

Remember, these grown man athletes were stuck in the bubble playing for a championship with NO WIVES AND GIRLFRIENDS


Stuck in a bubble for a couple months with no wives and girlfriends…..how do you think men and women serving in the military feel being away from their families for a year or longer in a foreign country?
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Post#30 » by Camby_Bamby » Sat Dec 14, 2024 3:52 pm

JJ Reddick back then admitted that they were illegally practicing during Covid when virtually no other teams were. So that’s definitely an advantage that the Lakers had over everyone else.

No crowds
Family members dying
Players (Kyrie/Giannis) voting to shut down the season for health and safety reasons + George Floyd

Basketball wasn’t the focus.
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Post#31 » by Camby_Bamby » Sat Dec 14, 2024 3:54 pm

Again, it was a basketball scrimmage tournament on a Mickey Mouse compound while family members and tens of thousands were dying.

Nothing normal about it.
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Post#32 » by MrPainfulTruth » Sat Dec 14, 2024 3:59 pm

They gotta give everything to prop the mickey mouse "title" up. This thread was made because in the neighbour thread the grades for the LeBron stint in LA dont look as expected. If people continue to disregard this "title" the rest of his LA time is a complete disaster, missing the playoffs entirely without superstar help (before AD came in) and now being among the worst players in the league in some categories (LeBron is 460 of 502 in +/- for the season).

So keep trying and keep coming up with threads to keep him relevant and in the conversation, i'm sure i'm not the only one laughing seeing those threads pop up and guys bending out of shape to come up with "achievements". :lol:
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Post#33 » by Optms » Sat Dec 14, 2024 4:02 pm

druggas wrote:
Optms wrote:Not to mention the Lakers were old. And it obviously takes older players more time to get going. No old team ever started any regular season red hot.

Making bubble chip more legit. RealGMers just can't handle it.

Uh, the 72 Lakers say "Hi".


You needed to go back more than half a century to find me an example. I rest my case.
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Post#34 » by Bergmaniac » Sat Dec 14, 2024 4:03 pm

This thread is Exhibit 10654 that baiting the LeBron haters is just too easy.

Camby_Bamby wrote:Again, it was a basketball scrimmage tournament on a Mickey Mouse compound while family members and tens of thousands were dying.

Nothing normal about it.

Tens of thousands Americans die every week during the playoffs every year.
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Post#35 » by Optms » Sat Dec 14, 2024 4:04 pm

MavsDirk41 wrote:Room service while living at a Disney resort, no travel, no crowds, just hanging out and playing basketball in empty gyms, after having 4 months of rest and recovery. But this was the most pure championship ever lol? Lebron James stans are a cult.


Again. Everyone was playing under the same conditions. Lebron haters at it again. Rent free.
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Post#36 » by ConSarnit » Sat Dec 14, 2024 4:17 pm

MavsDirk41 wrote:Room service while living at a Disney resort, no travel, no crowds, just hanging out and playing basketball in empty gyms, after having 4 months of rest and recovery. But this was the most pure championship ever lol? Lebron James stans are a cult.


Older players gained a significant advantage from the bubble. No travel, no back to backs. Had a giant gap in the regular season to recover. Part of the NBA season is the drudgery of travel and the amount of games played. The bubble removed this aspect of NBA life. How many more careers could have been extended if players only played 40 game seasons in the bubble?

Who benefits more from having perfect conditions to recover in the bubble? A 35 year old or a 24 year old? The bubble was the most advantageous environment for an older player that has ever existed. Older players wear down as the season progresses. The bubble effectively removed the “wear down” factor by making it a 40 game season. Did young players benefit too? Sure. But definitely not to the level an older player would have.
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Re: Change My View: The Bubble championship is the most pure championship ever 

Post#37 » by MavsDirk41 » Sat Dec 14, 2024 4:24 pm

Optms wrote:
MavsDirk41 wrote:Room service while living at a Disney resort, no travel, no crowds, just hanging out and playing basketball in empty gyms, after having 4 months of rest and recovery. But this was the most pure championship ever lol? Lebron James stans are a cult.


Again. Everyone was playing under the same conditions. Lebron haters at it again. Rent free.



There was nothing pure about it and i would say the same thing if the Mavs won the bubble ring. Playing in front of fans and having to travel is part of sports. Plus having 4 months off in between the 60 game regular season and bubble tournament…..nothing pure about it. You can rent free all you want but it seemed like a gimmick. Plus im pretty sure the 95/96 Bulls average age was about the same as the 19/20 Lakers.
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Post#38 » by ConSarnit » Sat Dec 14, 2024 4:25 pm

Optms wrote:
MavsDirk41 wrote:Room service while living at a Disney resort, no travel, no crowds, just hanging out and playing basketball in empty gyms, after having 4 months of rest and recovery. But this was the most pure championship ever lol? Lebron James stans are a cult.


Again. Everyone was playing under the same conditions. Lebron haters at it again. Rent free.


Who do you think gains more advantage from not having to travel all of the time? A 24 year old or a 35 year old?

Who do you think benefits more from having a 3 month gap in the season to recover? A 24 year old or a 35 year old?

Who do you think benefits more from playing a 30 game season? A 24 year old or a 35 year old?

The bubble was the most advantageous situation that has ever existed for an “older” player (and I’m a Lebron fan). Lebron (smartly) took advantage of this but there must be some admission the bubble was more beneficial for players like him. It basically removed the entire “wear and tear” aspect of the NBA season (something that effects older players more so than younger).
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Re: Change My View: The Bubble championship is the most pure championship ever 

Post#39 » by MavsDirk41 » Sat Dec 14, 2024 4:27 pm

ConSarnit wrote:
MavsDirk41 wrote:Room service while living at a Disney resort, no travel, no crowds, just hanging out and playing basketball in empty gyms, after having 4 months of rest and recovery. But this was the most pure championship ever lol? Lebron James stans are a cult.


Older players gained a significant advantage from the bubble. No travel, no back to backs. Had a giant gap in the regular season to recover. Part of the NBA season is the drudgery of travel and the amount of games played. The bubble removed this aspect of NBA life. How many more careers could have been extended if players only played 40 game seasons in the bubble?

Who benefits more from having perfect conditions to recover in the bubble? A 35 year old or a 24 year old? The bubble was the most advantageous environment for an older player that has ever existed. Older players wear down as the season progresses. The bubble effectively removed the “wear down” factor by making it a 40 game season. Did young players benefit too? Sure. But definitely not to the level an older player would have.



Yes well said. I think thats just facts and quiet obvious. No 35 year old recovers as quickly as a 24 year old. That 4 months off was an entire offseason to recoup for older players like James.
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Re: Change My View: The Bubble championship is the most pure championship ever 

Post#40 » by The Explorer » Sat Dec 14, 2024 4:31 pm

Weakest championship in the modern era. Not because of the bubble. Because they played a 6th seed who were down key starters in Bam and Dragic. And Butler was playing hurt. One of the easiest rings in NBA history.

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