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ShootingtheJ wrote:Your deal was forcing the Nets to cut 2 players. That's not what they'd want to do.
Schroder only makes sense for us if we deal Dame.
We'll have better opportunities.
yb90 wrote:ShootingtheJ wrote:Bernman wrote:
Your 1st argument partially negates the 2nd one.
Your deal was forcing the Nets to cut 2 players. That's not what they'd want to do.
Schroder only makes sense for us if we deal Dame.
We'll have better opportunities.
Easily makes since in place of Bobby off the bench. Now they will have to rely on Middleton as the backup point.
Also, your trade of Bobby for Banton, Ellis, and Reed doesn't place much value on Bobby.
Bernman wrote:ShootingtheJ wrote:Your deal was forcing the Nets to cut 2 players. That's not what they'd want to do.
Schroder only makes sense for us if we deal Dame.
We'll have better opportunities.
You can add filler like 1-2 of Whitehead, Wilson, Watford, Keon Johnson, etc. That's a non-problem.
We need another ball-handler/creator. Schroder has long arms and can play off ball. Maybe not ideal, but it'd have been an upgrade, especially at that price.
ShootingtheJ wrote:yb90 wrote:ShootingtheJ wrote:
Your deal was forcing the Nets to cut 2 players. That's not what they'd want to do.
Schroder only makes sense for us if we deal Dame.
We'll have better opportunities.
Easily makes since in place of Bobby off the bench. Now they will have to rely on Middleton as the backup point.
Also, your trade of Bobby for Banton, Ellis, and Reed doesn't place much value on Bobby.
Both Ellis and Banton are as good as Schroder. Bobby wasn't in that trade
ShootingtheJ wrote:Bernman wrote:ShootingtheJ wrote:Your deal was forcing the Nets to cut 2 players. That's not what they'd want to do.
Schroder only makes sense for us if we deal Dame.
We'll have better opportunities.
You can add filler like 1-2 of Whitehead, Wilson, Watford, Keon Johnson, etc. That's a non-problem.
We need another ball-handler/creator. Schroder has long arms and can play off ball. Maybe not ideal, but it'd have been an upgrade, especially at that price.
Banton is a point forward who averages over 5 assists per 36. You should check him out, you'd love him.
yb90 wrote:ShootingtheJ wrote:yb90 wrote:Easily makes since in place of Bobby off the bench. Now they will have to rely on Middleton as the backup point.
Also, your trade of Bobby for Banton, Ellis, and Reed doesn't place much value on Bobby.
Both Ellis and Banton are as good as Schroder. Bobby wasn't in that trade
I'm sorry I was remembering wrong but I disagree about Banton and Ellis being on Dennis level or any where close.
yb90 wrote:ShootingtheJ wrote:Bernman wrote:
You can add filler like 1-2 of Whitehead, Wilson, Watford, Keon Johnson, etc. That's a non-problem.
We need another ball-handler/creator. Schroder has long arms and can play off ball. Maybe not ideal, but it'd have been an upgrade, especially at that price.
Banton is a point forward who averages over 5 assists per 36. You should check him out, you'd love him.
He would not play on the Bucks. I could see if this tick up in play was on a good team but he is getting minutes on a bad team.
Frank Nova wrote:Herb Jones would look awfully nice in a Bucks uniform. Just saying..
Jake Fischer: "Ingram spent the offseason seeking a maximum contract extension, according to league sources. The Pelicans preferred to pay Ingram more in the ballpark of $40 million in average annual value, sources said. It appears that the league, to this point, agrees more with New Orleans' assessment, since sources say there was no taker on the trade market for Ingram who was also willing to furnish the 6-foot-8 forward with that maximum deal he was seeking."
"The current options are slim. So there's an expectation among league sources familiar with the situation that Ingram and his new agent representation at Klutch Sports will be open to pursuing a short-term payday starting next season... The Pelicans also could still be the team that rewards Ingram with a new deal."
“New Orleans, sources said, has no interest in fielding trade pitches for its highly regarded perimeter defensive ace.”
Marc Stein and Jake Fischer
The reporting from the great Marc Stein and his new coworker Jake Fischer contradict early suggestions that Jones is on the market. With trade season just beginning with the December 15 eligibility date around the corner, much could change seemingly overnight. An executive such as David Griffin has no reason to announce an early fire sale, especially for a player like Jones.
Better late than never, they’re looking like contenders again. Since their 2-8 start, the Bucks have won 12 of their last 15 games while posting top 10 marks in both offensive and defensive rating (10th and eighth, respectively).
Rivers deserves credit for leading the way. By all accounts, he was the steadiest voice in the room when the losses kept piling up.
Yet for all the wisdom behind Portis’ message a year ago, the more obvious truth about the Bucks is that Giannis’ greatness is still their north star. And while the combination of Nikola Jokić’s transcendence and the Bucks’ horrific start muted the MVP conversation that typically involves Antetokounmpo, the time has long since come for the spotlight to be returned to that familiar place.
For everything the 30-year-old has accomplished in regular seasons past — two MVPs, one Defensive Player of the Year honor, eight All-Star berths and the like — he’s on pace to make this one his best. Antetokounmpo is averaging 32.7 points, 11.5 rebounds, 6.1 assists and 1.6 blocks — marks that have never been reached in the history of the game. The same is true of Jokić, of course, as he’s averaging 31.5 points, 13.3 rebounds and 9.8 assists. Antetokounmpo’s defensive prowess, potentially, could be the difference-maker if it comes down to these two.
The Lillard experience, meanwhile, has taken far more patience than they’d hoped. But this past month has been a long-awaited showcase of how special they can be together.
raferfenix wrote:Sam Amick taking note:Better late than never, they’re looking like contenders again. Since their 2-8 start, the Bucks have won 12 of their last 15 games while posting top 10 marks in both offensive and defensive rating (10th and eighth, respectively).Rivers deserves credit for leading the way. By all accounts, he was the steadiest voice in the room when the losses kept piling up.Yet for all the wisdom behind Portis’ message a year ago, the more obvious truth about the Bucks is that Giannis’ greatness is still their north star. And while the combination of Nikola Jokić’s transcendence and the Bucks’ horrific start muted the MVP conversation that typically involves Antetokounmpo, the time has long since come for the spotlight to be returned to that familiar place.
For everything the 30-year-old has accomplished in regular seasons past — two MVPs, one Defensive Player of the Year honor, eight All-Star berths and the like — he’s on pace to make this one his best. Antetokounmpo is averaging 32.7 points, 11.5 rebounds, 6.1 assists and 1.6 blocks — marks that have never been reached in the history of the game. The same is true of Jokić, of course, as he’s averaging 31.5 points, 13.3 rebounds and 9.8 assists. Antetokounmpo’s defensive prowess, potentially, could be the difference-maker if it comes down to these two.
The Lillard experience, meanwhile, has taken far more patience than they’d hoped. But this past month has been a long-awaited showcase of how special they can be together.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5994947/2024/12/15/bucks-growth-giannis-antetokounmpo-nba-mvp/
Daver wrote:raferfenix wrote:Sam Amick taking note:Better late than never, they’re looking like contenders again. Since their 2-8 start, the Bucks have won 12 of their last 15 games while posting top 10 marks in both offensive and defensive rating (10th and eighth, respectively).Rivers deserves credit for leading the way. By all accounts, he was the steadiest voice in the room when the losses kept piling up.Yet for all the wisdom behind Portis’ message a year ago, the more obvious truth about the Bucks is that Giannis’ greatness is still their north star. And while the combination of Nikola Jokić’s transcendence and the Bucks’ horrific start muted the MVP conversation that typically involves Antetokounmpo, the time has long since come for the spotlight to be returned to that familiar place.
For everything the 30-year-old has accomplished in regular seasons past — two MVPs, one Defensive Player of the Year honor, eight All-Star berths and the like — he’s on pace to make this one his best. Antetokounmpo is averaging 32.7 points, 11.5 rebounds, 6.1 assists and 1.6 blocks — marks that have never been reached in the history of the game. The same is true of Jokić, of course, as he’s averaging 31.5 points, 13.3 rebounds and 9.8 assists. Antetokounmpo’s defensive prowess, potentially, could be the difference-maker if it comes down to these two.
The Lillard experience, meanwhile, has taken far more patience than they’d hoped. But this past month has been a long-awaited showcase of how special they can be together.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5994947/2024/12/15/bucks-growth-giannis-antetokounmpo-nba-mvp/
And yet if you ask shootingtheJ dsme sucks as a PG n shoukd be replaced.Great article
ShootingtheJ wrote:Daver wrote:raferfenix wrote:Sam Amick taking note:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5994947/2024/12/15/bucks-growth-giannis-antetokounmpo-nba-mvp/
And yet if you ask shootingtheJ dsme sucks as a PG n shoukd be replaced.Great article
Hyperbole. I don't think he's a $48.7 million impact, and in the days of the 2nd apron, contracts are a much bigger impact. He can't just be good. We can't just tolerate the fit. It has to be dominant, against the best, or we need to bail, before that contract becomes untradeable.
The more important part of the article is the recognization of Giannis greatness. 2 way dominance.
Daver wrote:ShootingtheJ wrote:Daver wrote:
And yet if you ask shootingtheJ dsme sucks as a PG n shoukd be replaced.Great article
Hyperbole. I don't think he's a $48.7 million impact, and in the days of the 2nd apron, contracts are a much bigger impact. He can't just be good. We can't just tolerate the fit. It has to be dominant, against the best, or we need to bail, before that contract becomes untradeable.
The more important part of the article is the recognization of Giannis greatness. 2 way dominance.
Really maybe if we had a SG thst wasbt a corpse next to him who coukd fu... score and a sm who could score maybe dane could give you a DD nightly.
Dont you think he could score 30 a night if he wanted to hes adjusted his game to appease giannis plus ffs its 2.5 on 5 everytime the bucks play.Ds sure as hell arnt even guarding ajax so dame gets doubled everytime down the floor.Teams arnt scared of prince so giannis is doybled .Once midds starts again n fu. Alax decides to learn how to shoot then dame will be that doncic you want.Until then considering its gisnnis n dame against everyone hes doing fu... great
slos wrote:Let me some start with some points with Bucks' players that are constantly on the trade watch...
Middleton - Obviously at his age/shape I wouldn't call him a 30 mil starter for a contending team. I would love him though if he took the Ginobili treatment and become a 6th at 20ish money. His playmaking is desperately needed for our 2nd unit, he still is a clutch player you can count on closing games and he always be an awesome fit with Giannis. If Midds is OK to opt out for his beloved Milwaukee to sign a new multi year team friendly deal at 3y/60-70mil, I wouldn't entertain any calls for him.
Lopez - He also looks at his last legs as a 20 mil starter for a contending team. His game ages well though, his size is still useful for not too little match ups and he is always available. I would love him if he took the Horford treatment and Bucks bring him back at a 2/20ish deal to also come from the bench.
Portis - Probably the most VFM player Bucks have had for years. He gets too much hate for the money he makes. I mean what more do you expect from a MLE guy? I wouldn't trade him in fear that some stupid GM overpays for Bobby in FA and he walks for nothing. He is a Buck for life, he will sign a 3/40ish deal if offered.
Let's continue with the new signings...
Wright - Looks washed. I don't mind having him though. All we need at backup PG is someone who won't complain for DNPs when Dame is healthy and will give time to Johnson to develop into an NBA player.
Trent - His perfomance was underwhelming as a starter, but he has been a steady contributer since he moved to the bench. Still 25, I can see him as a long term piece if he embraces his new role.
Prince - He has been extremely efficient offensively, but it's time to move on. He is the easiest guy to replace and get younger and more athletic. I would be OK with him in the break the glass role that Wright has.
Let's talk about trade(s)...
It all comes to Connaughton for a younger/cheaper player who pushes Prince out of the Top 9. Kuminga? Thomas? Aldama? Elis? That's the play IMO. I just don't feel comfortable sacrifising that 2031 FRP for any of these guys. I trust Horst that he will pull a trade out of his ass using whatever else he has available. My guess would be..
Pat + MarJon + 2031 SRP + double 2030 swap for Cam Thomas.
Not an ideal fit, but maybe the best you can get in this market with that limited assets/flexibility. That also opens a spot with 1,6 mil under the 2nd apron.
Starters
Lillard
Thomas
Jackson
Giannis
Lopez
Bench
Middleton
Portis
Green
Trent
Break the glass
Prince
Wright
Develop
Johsnon
Livingston
Smith
slos wrote:@Daver you don't bench Midds for Thomas and/or **** Jackson. You use Khris as 6th because of Khris... It's something that could work in everyone's best interest. For Middleton's part that's a move that could extend his career 1-2 more years and get him out of pressure coming back earlier when injured. He still doesn't lose his high minutes when healthy and of course still closes games.
Lillard (36)/Green (12)
Thomas (28)/Trent (16)/Green (4)
Jackson (16)/Middleton (32)
Giannis (36)/Bobby (12)
Lopez (32)/Bobby (16)
That's what I am thinking in terms of minutes distribution, which is what Doc already does with Thomas (or someone else in the same age) taking Prince's minutes. You then have Lillard/Middleton/Giannis closing the games at all times with whoever of the rest fits better for the situation.