2024-25 NBA Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt. 2)

jasonxxx102 · Post #101 » by **jasonxxx102** » Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:32 pm

If anyone didn't think this was one of the worst drafts of all time just look at this chart. There's 1, yes just 1 player who has had a positive offensive impact so far and it's not that positive.

You've got a handful of guys with slightly positive defensive impact and Clingan.

Here's another way to visualize it. The few players who have had a positive impact so far are barely playing.

BlazersBroncos · Post #102 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Thu Dec 12, 2024 12:15 am

What those charts really tell me is to breathe even harder when discussing my man DC.

MasterIchiro · Post #103 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Dec 12, 2024 7:19 am

Bornstellar wrote:Castle with another nice evening, 22/4/5 on 8/15 in 34 minutes. CP3 has been an excellent mentor for him

He was my guy for the Hornets but the Spurs swapped places with Charlotte for the lottery.

Speaks volumes that the org drafted him for their HOF coach and start him as a rookie alongside a HOF lead ballhandler.

His IQ is exceptional so I expect a sharp learning curve. He's someone to watch as the season progresses.

Getting big minutes and starting. Devin Vassell is coming off the bench. Seems they want Castle sharing the floor as he learns the position from one of the greats.

He has the ability to guard 1-4. How many PG in the NBA can do that?

doogie_hauser · Post #104 » by **doogie_hauser** » Fri Dec 13, 2024 2:50 am

Ron Holland II put up 26 points in 20 minutes in otherwise dirty night for the Pistons.

Hope he can grow and get confidence from this performance

Mr Peanut · Post #105 » by **Mr Peanut** » Fri Dec 13, 2024 8:51 am

Ron Holland's finishing at the rim is already so good. And a pesky defender. If he can develop a reliable outside shot then he can be a real force.

He is 6/13 from three point range in his last 7 games - low volume but there's some promise there.

HotelVitale · Post #106 » by **HotelVitale** » Fri Dec 13, 2024 2:40 pm

jasonxxx102 wrote:If anyone didn't think this was one of the worst drafts of all time just look at this chart. There's 1, yes just 1 player who has had a positive offensive impact so far and it's not that positive.

You've got a handful of guys with slightly positive defensive impact and Clingan.

Useful visualization but any particular reason you're just using LEBRON for this?

Also do you know what a normal rookie list like this would look like 1.5 months into the season?

MrTribbiani · Post #107 » by **MrTribbiani** » Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:36 pm

It'll be interesting to see when Sheppard can crack the Rockets' rotation.

Anointing him as the ROY favorite was a mistake in hindsight. He's more raw than a lot of people were willing to admit.

wemby · Post #108 » by **wemby** » Fri Dec 13, 2024 10:02 pm

Mr Peanut wrote:Ron Holland's finishing at the rim is already so good. And a pesky defender. If he can develop a reliable outside shot then he can be a real force.

He is 6/13 from three point range in his last 7 games - low volume but there's some promise there.

Unfortunately I don't buy the shot. Some of his misses are soooo bad, it points to something seriously wrong, probably with a mental component too (remember the 2 horribly missed FTs against the Bucks). This is the reason I didn't want him for the Spurs and didn't think he was a good fit on the Pistons with Ausar already having the same handicap.

Mr Peanut · Post #109 » by **Mr Peanut** » Sat Dec 14, 2024 9:29 am

wemby wrote:
Mr Peanut wrote:Ron Holland's finishing at the rim is already so good. And a pesky defender. If he can develop a reliable outside shot then he can be a real force.

He is 6/13 from three point range in his last 7 games - low volume but there's some promise there.

Unfortunately I don't buy the shot. Some of his misses are soooo bad, it points to something seriously wrong, probably with a mental component too (remember the 2 horribly missed FTs against the Bucks). This is the reason I didn't want him for the Spurs and didn't think he was a good fit on the Pistons with Ausar already having the same handicap.

His form looks pretty decent. But he is still adjusting to the NBA three point line and pace of the game so you do expect a few bad misses. And the FTs against the Bucks were hard to watch but a very high pressure situation for a rookie - not going to hold it against him too much.

The key part is he's only 19. Let's not act like he's already a finished product.

rate_ · Post #110 » by **rate_** » Sat Dec 14, 2024 9:54 pm

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GiggitySmalls · Post #111 » by **GiggitySmalls** » Sat Dec 14, 2024 10:22 pm

Castle favorite for roy now with McCain out?

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MasterIchiro · Post #112 » by **MasterIchiro** » Sat Dec 14, 2024 11:05 pm

GiggitySmalls wrote:Castle favorite for roy now with McCain out?

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Yes, indeed. My dude, despite the poor fanfare amongst most of the Hornets forum.

Tisk, tisk.

Bornstellar · Post #113 » by **Bornstellar** » Sun Dec 15, 2024 12:29 am

What a disaster of a season for Philly. Sucks for McCain. Good thing is most guys come back with meniscus tears without much complication these days so I'm sure he'll be fine. Castle is definitely the favorite for ROY now. Wonder when the last time a team had back to back ROY winners

wemby · Post #114 » by **wemby** » Sun Dec 15, 2024 12:58 am

Bornstellar wrote:What a disaster of a season for Philly. Sucks for McCain. Good thing is most guys come back with meniscus tears without much complication these days so I'm sure he'll be fine. Castle is definitely the favorite for ROY now. Wonder when the last time a team had back to back ROY winners

Given Philly's treatment of Embiid (they rushed him back from a meniscus tear) I hope they take a conservative approach with McCain. I'm not a medical specialist, but as I understand it there's 2 possible meniscus surgeries: meniscectomy (removal of the damaged cartilage) which requires less time to recover (in the order of 6 weeks or so) but may have long term implications (extreme case being Lonzo Ball) and repair which takes MUCH longer (maybe 4x as much) but has a better long term prognosis. It isn't always possible to go with the latter, I hope they are thinking long term but Morey's approach makes me wonder. Hope I'm wrong.

ValvPiti · Post #115 » by **ValvPiti** » Sun Dec 15, 2024 11:26 am

If Clingan will be healthy and Ayton traded, ge could win it. Lots of players still in the race, but Castle has to be the favorite.

FrodoBaggins · Post #116 » by **FrodoBaggins** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 5:30 am

Edey's first game back from injury:

- 24 minutes played
- 13 points, 10 rebounds (8 offensive), 1 assist, 1 steal, 1 block, 0 turnovers
- 6/8 FG, 1-1 FT
- +12

Can he win ROY with McCain out injured?

jasonxxx102 · Post #117 » by **jasonxxx102** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 12:50 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
jasonxxx102 wrote:If anyone didn't think this was one of the worst drafts of all time just look at this chart. There's 1, yes just 1 player who has had a positive offensive impact so far and it's not that positive.

You've got a handful of guys with slightly positive defensive impact and Clingan.

Useful visualization but any particular reason you're just using LEBRON for this?

Also do you know what a normal rookie list like this would look like 1.5 months into the season?

I just wanted to see what an all-in-one stat looked like with all the rookies plotted.

I checked a couple other classes and there are 2-3x as many guys who are positive usually. And the big cluster is closer to 0, but this is an abnormally low class when you look at minutes played too

jasonxxx102 · Post #118 » by **jasonxxx102** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 12:51 pm

I like Castle for ROY if McCain is going to miss 2 months here

perempe20 · Post #119 » by **perempe20** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 10:24 pm

FrodoBaggins wrote:Edey's first game back from injury:

- 24 minutes played
- 13 points, 10 rebounds (8 offensive), 1 assist, 1 steal, 1 block, 0 turnovers
- 6/8 FG, 1-1 FT
- +12

Can he win ROY with McCain out injured?

I bet the game plan was wrong. Davis doesn't like physical players, it's his weakness. Memphis did not try to take advantage.

FrodoBaggins · Post #120 » by **FrodoBaggins** » Tue Dec 17, 2024 3:05 am

Edey has had a positive +/- in all of his last 10 games. He was a +/- outlier compared to his teammates in several of those games. Here are his stats from that stretch of play:

- 10 games played
- 22.3 minutes per game
- 12.5 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 1.0 apg, 1.1 spg, 1.4 bpg
- 63.3% FG, 71.4% 3PT [0.7 3pa], 83.3% FT [2.4 fta], 69.8% TS, 66.5% eFG, 20.1% ORB, 2.2% STL, 6.0% BLK

Which 2 rookies are you most high on / impressed with? (Listed alphabetically)