Vuc Trade Thread

[Muzbar]

AK overplaying his had for a 1st. Shocked if he gets it without taking back bad contract.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278395/Bulls-Seeking-First-Round-Pick-For-Nikola-Vucevic

This board is the best.

AK is terrible is the conclusion and then it's trying to find logic for that conclusion.

It's like a choose your own adventure book.
If you think that AK is the worst because he isn't getting enough for Vuc turn to page 23.
if you think that AK is the worst because he is asking for too much for Vuc turn to page 47.

It's a conclusion that somehow any evidence leads too.

There's plenty of evidence to suggest AKME is terrible, what are you smoking?

Dudes a troll. I wouldn't think too much into it.

AK could trade Vuc for a second hand washing machine and a second round pick protected 31-59 from the Wizards and he'd still think it was an amazing deal.

[step]

AK overplaying his had for a 1st. Shocked if he gets it without taking back bad contract.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278395/Bulls-Seeking-First-Round-Pick-For-Nikola-Vucevic

Really? Since we're talking about likely play-off teams, a late 1st for a guy playing at an near-allstar level under contract for this/next season on a reasonable deal seems pretty reasonable.

Pluh-ease... like anyone sensible is going to believe Vuc's current level of play is going hold up. Proof is in the pudding for the past 3 years. Shooting in the low 30s% wise and under to magically over 47% at the age of 34. And prior to his 'resurgence'... that contract was never considered reasonable by the rest of the league. It's even still being called out in the media as being bad/problematic.

I prefer Vuc goes to a team that prevents them from tanking ala Pels. Pistons etc.

I get that, no doubt, but getting a useful asset in return is key to me. If somehow he fetches a FRP or a guy like Jones or Vandy, I'd be thrilled.

Our top 10 pick in this draft is much more valuable than anything we will get for Vuc.

Second this notion.

And secondly we're the ones desperately trying to shop him too. If we're willing to take on some bad salary, then maybe.

[Andi Obst]

I don't really think it's likely Vuc gets dealt this season and I certainly don't expect a deal now.

The Bulls should be trying absolutely everything to get rid of Vuc and Zach (and Lonzo?) now, though. The East is too bad to do the whole "we say we want a first even though we know we're not getting it" show this season. As others have said, the main value in moving Vuc and Zach won't be the players/assets you get in return, it's keeping and improving your own pick. But somebody has to make the play-in in this conference. In February, you might be kinda locked in as a play-in team, so you better act now. The Nets understood this and moved on from Schröder early. I doubt the Bulls will do the same. I mean...look at the bottom of this garbage conference:

Wizards - G-League team, by far the worst team in the league
Nets - not horrible so far, but clearly comitted to the tank
Hornets - unserious organization, tons of injuries, they don't have to try to be bad
Raptors - tanking
Pistons - improved but still bad, probably one injury away from falling apart
Philly - cursed
Pacers - bad so far, but at least they won't tank

Even the Hawks, Heat and Bucks aren't really good. It's crazy.

[Guru]

This board is the best.

AK is terrible is the conclusion and then it's trying to find logic for that conclusion.

It's like a choose your own adventure book.
If you think that AK is the worst because he isn't getting enough for Vuc turn to page 23.
if you think that AK is the worst because he is asking for too much for Vuc turn to page 47.

It's a conclusion that somehow any evidence leads too.

There's plenty of evidence to suggest AKME is terrible, what are you smoking?

Dudes a troll. I wouldn't think too much into it.

AK could trade Vuc for a second hand washing machine and a second round pick protected 31-59 from the Wizards and he'd still think it was an amazing deal.

But he won't because all he don't miss.

[burlydee]

AK overplaying his had for a 1st. Shocked if he gets it without taking back bad contract.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278395/Bulls-Seeking-First-Round-Pick-For-Nikola-Vucevic

Really? Since we're talking about likely play-off teams, a late 1st for a guy playing at an near-allstar level under contract for this/next season on a reasonable deal seems pretty reasonable.

Pluh-ease... like anyone sensible is going to believe Vuc's current level of play is going hold up. Proof is in the pudding for the past 3 years. Shooting in the low 30s% wise and under to magically over 47% at the age of 34. And prior to his 'resurgence'... that contract was never considered reasonable by the rest of the league. It's even still being called out in the media as being bad/problematic.

I get that, no doubt, but getting a useful asset in return is key to me. If somehow he fetches a FRP or a guy like Jones or Vandy, I'd be thrilled.

Our top 10 pick in this draft is much more valuable than anything we will get for Vuc.

Second this notion.

And secondly we're the ones desperately trying to shop him too. If we're willing to take on some bad salary, then maybe.

I just don't think the Bulls are desperate to trade Vuc. And if we know anything about AK is that he'll wait until he gets his price. Vuc is outperforming his contract right now. I don't think the Bulls are in a sell off mindset.

[kodo]

Schroder was also playing fantastic this year, 18 ppg 7 apg, 39% 3P shooting, leading BRK to a much higher seeding than expected. Very similar situation to Vuc. They got net two 2nd rounders for him.

Schroder is over 30, a known quantity so everyone expects him to normalize. No defense. Vuc also has all those checkmarks. And while no defense is normal for a PG, it's actually team crippling for your center.

It's not remotely close to what Schroder is worth by his current play, but BRK probably knows he's helping them win too many games and he's going to normalize after this season, if not later this season. We're also in the same situation.

What I worry about is that this is just Niko Mirotic 2.0. In desperation to extract some value from Niko who was playing light out in his last season with us, we got a 1st rounder that ended up being nothing and won far too many games in a draft where we were 3 L's away from having DAL's or ATL's pick and the opportunity to draft Luka. The value we got from winning those extra games ended up being Pick #22: Chandler Hutchison. Even if we picked really well in the 20s range like Shamet, Robert Williams, or Mo Wagner they are all still roleplayers at the end of the day.

[Dez]

There's plenty of evidence to suggest AKME is terrible, what are you smoking?

Dudes a troll. I wouldn't think too much into it.

AK could trade Vuc for a second hand washing machine and a second round pick protected 31-59 from the Wizards and he'd still think it was an amazing deal.

But he won't because all he don't miss.

Describe how he isn't incompetent.

[DuckIII]

Dudes a troll. I wouldn't think too much into it.

AK could trade Vuc for a second hand washing machine and a second round pick protected 31-59 from the Wizards and he'd still think it was an amazing deal.

But he won't because all he don't miss.

Describe how he isn't incompetent.

He is not a serious poster. He does this to entertain himself. His answer is irrelevant. None of it is sincere. Just ignore it.

[burlydee]

Schroder was also playing fantastic this year, 18 ppg 7 apg, 39% 3P shooting, leading BRK to a much higher seeding than expected. Very similar situation to Vuc. They got net two 2nd rounders for him.

Schroder is over 30, a known quantity so everyone expects him to normalize. No defense. Vuc also has all those checkmarks. And while no defense is normal for a PG, it's actually team crippling for your center.

It's not remotely close to what Schroder is worth by his current play, but BRK probably knows he's helping them win too many games and he's going to normalize after this season, if not later this season. We're also in the same situation.

What I worry about is that this is just Niko Mirotic 2.0. In desperation to extract some value from Niko who was playing light out in his last season with us, we got a 1st rounder that ended up being nothing and won far too many games in a draft where we were 3 L's away from having DAL's or ATL's pick and the opportunity to draft Luka. The value we got from winning those extra games ended up being Pick #22: Chandler Hutchison. Even if we picked really well in the 20s range like Shamet, Robert Williams, or Mo Wagner they are all still roleplayers at the end of the day.

You're upset that the Bulls may hold on to Vuc too long and get a 1st round pick...

I think the likelihood the Bulls are basically the same record wise with and without Vuc is on the table. I'd rather they maximize him, shut him down if they need to, than get 10 cents on the dollar with the hope tgey tank. I think the team being worse offensively but miles better defensivelywould be on the table.

I think their are other pieces the Bulls can sale off (Coby) that would be helpful but given the possibility of losing a pick this year or next, maximizing trade assets seem like the one thing they can control.

[Chi town]

Schroder was also playing fantastic this year, 18 ppg 7 apg, 39% 3P shooting, leading BRK to a much higher seeding than expected. Very similar situation to Vuc. They got net two 2nd rounders for him.

Schroder is over 30, a known quantity so everyone expects him to normalize. No defense. Vuc also has all those checkmarks. And while no defense is normal for a PG, it's actually team crippling for your center.

It's not remotely close to what Schroder is worth by his current play, but BRK probably knows he's helping them win too many games and he's going to normalize after this season, if not later this season. We're also in the same situation.

What I worry about is that this is just Niko Mirotic 2.0. In desperation to extract some value from Niko who was playing light out in his last season with us, we got a 1st rounder that ended up being nothing and won far too many games in a draft where we were 3 L's away from having DAL's or ATL's pick and the opportunity to draft Luka. The value we got from winning those extra games ended up being Pick #22: Chandler Hutchison. Even if we picked really well in the 20s range like Shamet, Robert Williams, or Mo Wagner they are all still roleplayers at the end of the day.

Exactly. BKN will now out tank us.

We must move Zach, Coby or Vuc immediately. The other two at the deadline if we are keeping our pick.

If we don’t then we will have too many wins when all the other teams are trying tank. BKN has won too much early so they are getting ahead of the tank now to even things out.

[sco]

Schroder was also playing fantastic this year, 18 ppg 7 apg, 39% 3P shooting, leading BRK to a much higher seeding than expected. Very similar situation to Vuc. They got net two 2nd rounders for him.

Schroder is over 30, a known quantity so everyone expects him to normalize. No defense. Vuc also has all those checkmarks. And while no defense is normal for a PG, it's actually team crippling for your center.

It's not remotely close to what Schroder is worth by his current play, but BRK probably knows he's helping them win too many games and he's going to normalize after this season, if not later this season. We're also in the same situation.

What I worry about is that this is just Niko Mirotic 2.0. In desperation to extract some value from Niko who was playing light out in his last season with us, we got a 1st rounder that ended up being nothing and won far too many games in a draft where we were 3 L's away from having DAL's or ATL's pick and the opportunity to draft Luka. The value we got from winning those extra games ended up being Pick #22: Chandler Hutchison. Even if we picked really well in the 20s range like Shamet, Robert Williams, or Mo Wagner they are all still roleplayers at the end of the day.

Exactly. BKN will now out tank us.

We must move Zach, Coby or Vuc immediately. The other two at the deadline if we are keeping our pick.

If we don’t then we will have too many wins when all the other teams are trying tank. BKN has won too much early so they are getting ahead of the tank now to even things out.

You want to tank, I'm good with that, but AK is about maximizing the value of his assets and isn't going to take trades without a meaningful asset (i.e. not 2nds) unless and until he's convinced that's all he's gonna get...so 11th pick will go to SAS.

[Chi town]

Schroder was also playing fantastic this year, 18 ppg 7 apg, 39% 3P shooting, leading BRK to a much higher seeding than expected. Very similar situation to Vuc. They got net two 2nd rounders for him.

Schroder is over 30, a known quantity so everyone expects him to normalize. No defense. Vuc also has all those checkmarks. And while no defense is normal for a PG, it's actually team crippling for your center.

It's not remotely close to what Schroder is worth by his current play, but BRK probably knows he's helping them win too many games and he's going to normalize after this season, if not later this season. We're also in the same situation.

What I worry about is that this is just Niko Mirotic 2.0. In desperation to extract some value from Niko who was playing light out in his last season with us, we got a 1st rounder that ended up being nothing and won far too many games in a draft where we were 3 L's away from having DAL's or ATL's pick and the opportunity to draft Luka. The value we got from winning those extra games ended up being Pick #22: Chandler Hutchison. Even if we picked really well in the 20s range like Shamet, Robert Williams, or Mo Wagner they are all still roleplayers at the end of the day.

Exactly. BKN will now out tank us.

We must move Zach, Coby or Vuc immediately. The other two at the deadline if we are keeping our pick.

If we don’t then we will have too many wins when all the other teams are trying tank. BKN has won too much early so they are getting ahead of the tank now to even things out.

You want to tank, I'm good with that, but AK is about maximizing the value of his assets and isn't going to take trades without a meaningful asset (i.e. not 2nds) unless and until he's convinced that's all he's gonna get...so 11th pick will go to SAS.

AK knows what he can get for Vuc. If Shroeder got two 2nds Vuc is worthy the same due to his contract.

[sco]

Exactly. BKN will now out tank us.

We must move Zach, Coby or Vuc immediately. The other two at the deadline if we are keeping our pick.

If we don’t then we will have too many wins when all the other teams are trying tank. BKN has won too much early so they are getting ahead of the tank now to even things out.

You want to tank, I'm good with that, but AK is about maximizing the value of his assets and isn't going to take trades without a meaningful asset (i.e. not 2nds) unless and until he's convinced that's all he's gonna get...so 11th pick will go to SAS.

AK knows what he can get for Vuc. If Shroeder got two 2nds Vuc is worthy the same due to his contract.

Really? Not a lot of data to support that theory, but we'll see.

[Clint Eastwood]

Bulls will not trade vuc without a 1st coming back or an upside young player. Go ahead and bookmark this post, i will own it.

[Guru]

Dudes a troll. I wouldn't think too much into it.

AK could trade Vuc for a second hand washing machine and a second round pick protected 31-59 from the Wizards and he'd still think it was an amazing deal.

But he won't because all he don't miss.

Describe how he isn't incompetent.

Ive done this multiple times. The groupthink around here is tough to breakthrough but I am happy to do it again.

AKME did an amazing job of building a team that was contending in the East. They played off each other exceptionally well and were doing fantastic before Ball got hurt.
Ball's injury was an enigma and his return timeline was unknown. AKME was hamstrung by this but each time they were certain he was out they hedged and won games. They added a PG twice and won games.
He's done fantastic deals in house (White-Williams-Vuc-Ayo)
And He's signed ideal players from outside (Craig-Carter-Caruso-Smith-Green-Drummond)
They have also drafted well at their positions Williams-Terry-Ayo-Buzz are all solid rotational guys with upside.

I have little doubt that they will find a way to build a contender.

[meekrab]

Bulls will not trade vuc without a 1st coming back or an upside young player. Go ahead and bookmark this post, i will own it.

Last time AK was shopping a big for a first round pick he got one so heavily protected from a terrible team that it's likely it won't ever convey.

[step]

Exactly. BKN will now out tank us.

We must move Zach, Coby or Vuc immediately. The other two at the deadline if we are keeping our pick.

If we don’t then we will have too many wins when all the other teams are trying tank. BKN has won too much early so they are getting ahead of the tank now to even things out.

You want to tank, I'm good with that, but AK is about maximizing the value of his assets and isn't going to take trades without a meaningful asset (i.e. not 2nds) unless and until he's convinced that's all he's gonna get...so 11th pick will go to SAS.

AK knows what he can get for Vuc. If Shroeder got two 2nds Vuc is worthy the same due to his contract.

Schroder is an expiring contract.
Vuc, being paid 50% more in comparison, is due over $41M this year and the next. And will be 35+ years old.

[Clint Eastwood]

Bulls will not trade vuc without a 1st coming back or an upside young player. Go ahead and bookmark this post, i will own it.

Last time AK was shopping a big for a first round pick he got one so heavily protected from a terrible team that it's likely it won't ever convey.

Then they will keep him. And frankly, if they dont get a mid first or higher or an exciting upside young player, i would rather keep him. I think vuc is the most underrated bulls player maybe in the history of this board. With the new offensive style he is thriving. His improvements are not due to an outlier season, they are playing with better rhythm due to the fast pace, and apparently it really appeals to vuc and imo this is why he looks so much better and is shooting so much better. He is also the opposite of a ball stopper which helps all other players improve their trade value

[Dez]

But he won't because all he don't miss.

Describe how he isn't incompetent.

Ive done this multiple times. The groupthink around here is tough to breakthrough but I am happy to do it again.

AKME did an amazing job of building a team that was contending in the East. They played off each other exceptionally well and were doing fantastic before Ball got hurt.
Ball's injury was an enigma and his return timeline was unknown. AKME was hamstrung by this but each time they were certain he was out they hedged and won games. They added a PG twice and won games.
He's done fantastic deals in house (White-Williams-Vuc-Ayo)
And He's signed ideal players from outside (Craig-Carter-Caruso-Smith-Green-Drummond)
They have also drafted well at their positions Williams-Terry-Ayo-Buzz are all solid rotational guys with upside.

I have little doubt that they will find a way to build a contender.

I should ignore this because it's just delusional but I can't help myself.

They never built a contender, they built a team that played well for 35 games. A team that falls apart when one role-player goes down is not a contender.

Making the play-in isn't an achievement, it's treadmill team.

Only Ayo and White are good contracts, Williams is neutral at best and Vuc despite his play this season which is held up by unsustainable 3 point shooting has no value nor has it pushed the to even a .500 record.

Carter has been a ****.
Craig barely sees the floor.
Smith is a good pick-up.
Green isn't an AKME pick-up.
Drummond was decent but let go for nothing after having the option of trading for assets.

Williams hasn't shown enough consistently let alone for a 4th overall pick.
Terry isn't even a rotation player with his non-existent offensive game.
Ayo was a good pick.
Buzelis is promising but still early.

You'll likely ignore this and continue on your merry way with your delusional takes.

Yes I'm an idiot for engaging clear garbage.

Please make sure to keep things about the post and not the poster. Thanks - coldfish

[Chi town]

You want to tank, I'm good with that, but AK is about maximizing the value of his assets and isn't going to take trades without a meaningful asset (i.e. not 2nds) unless and until he's convinced that's all he's gonna get...so 11th pick will go to SAS.

AK knows what he can get for Vuc. If Shroeder got two 2nds Vuc is worthy the same due to his contract.

Schroder is an expiring contract.
Vuc, being paid 50% more in comparison, is due over $41M this year and the next. And will be 35+ years old.

Several GMs have said Vuc is worth two 2nds. This has most likely been offered by several teams. AK is most likely waiting for someone to give more.

Waiting is fine for this week. We will beat the Raps and then lose both games to the Celtics. After that Vuc needs to go.

Hopefully Coby finds a heater and gets traded too I can see the Magic trading for him with Banchero now not close to returning.