And it begins: Jimmy Butler and others

[Crazy-Canuck]

Reece Beekmam is also going to the Nets as part of the deal, so that leaves us with an open 2 way spot...I think.

[vvoland]

Pacers aren’t gonna throw in the towel in December.. not after just acquiring Siakam last year. They just traded for a depth C, not something teams looking to break it down are doing

C really not the issue either… Looney/Slomo/Dray with TJD as an emergency guy is pretty damn good. Team really needs to look for another wing of anything.. another Wiggins type who the league is undervaluing

The problem is scoring and it can be solved either way - Grab a go-to clutch reliable wing...OR...grab a stretch 5 so Warriors are all clogged up in the middle at the end of games.

For my money, I'd rather add scoring and space AND improve our defensive matchup with bigger teams in the league with a guy like Turner.

We have scoring and space, kerr is just choosing not to use it. Now we added a guy that should, in theory, accentuate those traits. But it's still up to Steve to use them properly.

I mean, kind of. Sure, Kerr could have easily used buddy more, especially to start and/or close but it's but like he's been getting moody'ed. And when it's not buddy, it's usually waters. We still have a spacing issues and an actual stretch 5 would unlock our wings even further. It would be nice to go big with a Steph/wigs/jk/dray/turner lineup or go small/offensive with schroeder/buddy in for whoever is playing worse from the wigs/jk/Turner trio (probably Turner and jk)

[vagelis]

Is there a chance that Schroeder gets traded immediately in a package for Butler?

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Is there a chance that Schroeder gets traded immediately in a package for Butler?

Not immediately. His salary can't be aggregated until Feb 5, the day before the trade deadline.

[Crazy-Canuck]

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This makes sense to me, especially with regard to Johnson. A trade for Johnson would be tricky--you could match salary with, for instance, Kuminga, Payton, and Anderson, and even have enough to sign 2 replacements to pro-rated minimums.

The problem comes because Johnson has almost $4M in unlikely incentives. These don't mattere for matching, but they do matter for the Apron team salary. The W's would have to dump another $5M or so to stay under the hard cap and sign a replacement. Podz wouldn't be enough, you'd need more, which means you'd have to sign another replacement.

There was no way this was going to work, unless, of course, they wanted to trade Wiggins. Which I doubt was ever considered. Which is why the above makes sense to me.

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This makes sense to me, especially with regard to Johnson. A trade for Johnson would be tricky--you could match salary with, for instance, Kuminga, Payton, and Anderson, and even have enough to sign 2 replacements to pro-rated minimums.

The problem comes because Johnson has almost $4M in unlikely incentives. These don't mattere for matching, but they do matter for the Apron team salary. The W's would have to dump another $5M or so to stay under the hard cap and sign a replacement. Podz wouldn't be enough, you'd need more, which means you'd have to sign another replacement.

There was no way this was going to work, unless, of course, they wanted to trade Wiggins. Which I doubt was ever considered. Which is why the above makes sense to me.

very interesting explanation.

[Crazy-Canuck]

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This makes sense to me, especially with regard to Johnson. A trade for Johnson would be tricky--you could match salary with, for instance, Kuminga, Payton, and Anderson, and even have enough to sign 2 replacements to pro-rated minimums.

The problem comes because Johnson has almost $4M in unlikely incentives. These don't mattere for matching, but they do matter for the Apron team salary. The W's would have to dump another $5M or so to stay under the hard cap and sign a replacement. Podz wouldn't be enough, you'd need more, which means you'd have to sign another replacement.

There was no way this was going to work, unless, of course, they wanted to trade Wiggins. Which I doubt was ever considered. Which is why the above makes sense to me.

Did not know about the incentives and impact on cap. Thanks.

[superunknown]

which SF/PF is realistically attainable in the market for a combination of kuminga, podz, TJD, moody, KA, GPII (if necessary) plus a first?

[CDM_Stats]

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Shams and that one clutchpoints hack said otherwise.. this is the Nets top beat writer

The days of Woj and accuracy are long in the rearview now..

[Onus]

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This makes sense to me, especially with regard to Johnson. A trade for Johnson would be tricky--you could match salary with, for instance, Kuminga, Payton, and Anderson, and even have enough to sign 2 replacements to pro-rated minimums.

The problem comes because Johnson has almost $4M in unlikely incentives. These don't mattere for matching, but they do matter for the Apron team salary. The W's would have to dump another $5M or so to stay under the hard cap and sign a replacement. Podz wouldn't be enough, you'd need more, which means you'd have to sign another replacement.

There was no way this was going to work, unless, of course, they wanted to trade Wiggins. Which I doubt was ever considered. Which is why the above makes sense to me.

Couldn’t they trade moody to clear the 5M?

[Jester_]

the good news is all the news coming out seems to suggest we're still big game hunting

however I really hope Chicago isn't on the list of calls

[Crazy-Canuck]

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Trade is official.

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This makes sense to me, especially with regard to Johnson. A trade for Johnson would be tricky--you could match salary with, for instance, Kuminga, Payton, and Anderson, and even have enough to sign 2 replacements to pro-rated minimums.

The problem comes because Johnson has almost $4M in unlikely incentives. These don't mattere for matching, but they do matter for the Apron team salary. The W's would have to dump another $5M or so to stay under the hard cap and sign a replacement. Podz wouldn't be enough, you'd need more, which means you'd have to sign another replacement.

There was no way this was going to work, unless, of course, they wanted to trade Wiggins. Which I doubt was ever considered. Which is why the above makes sense to me.

Couldn’t they trade moody to clear the 5M?

Remember, Moody has that pesky poison pill in his contract on account of his extension. He does count for $5.8M for the Warriors sending out, but $10.8M for the receiving team. Few, if any, teams can absorb that much salary, since the Warriors wouldn't want any money coming back.

[vvoland]

This makes sense to me, especially with regard to Johnson. A trade for Johnson would be tricky--you could match salary with, for instance, Kuminga, Payton, and Anderson, and even have enough to sign 2 replacements to pro-rated minimums.

The problem comes because Johnson has almost $4M in unlikely incentives. These don't mattere for matching, but they do matter for the Apron team salary. The W's would have to dump another $5M or so to stay under the hard cap and sign a replacement. Podz wouldn't be enough, you'd need more, which means you'd have to sign another replacement.

There was no way this was going to work, unless, of course, they wanted to trade Wiggins. Which I doubt was ever considered. Which is why the above makes sense to me.

Couldn’t they trade moody to clear the 5M?

Remember, Moody has that pesky poison pill in his contract on account of his extension. He does count for $5.8M for the Warriors sending out, but $10.8M for the receiving team. Few, if any, teams can absorb that much salary, since the Warriors wouldn't want any money coming back.

When does the Schroeder trade need to be done in order for us to be able to trade him again before the deadline? The 16th?

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Couldn’t they trade moody to clear the 5M?

Remember, Moody has that pesky poison pill in his contract on account of his extension. He does count for $5.8M for the Warriors sending out, but $10.8M for the receiving team. Few, if any, teams can absorb that much salary, since the Warriors wouldn't want any money coming back.

When does the Schroeder trade need to be done in order for us to be able to trade him again before the deadline? The 16th?

They can trade him by himself any time, but to combine his salary, yes, the 16th. Since it appears to be official today that works. They can't combine and trade until Feb 5, though, the day before the deadline.

[vvoland]

Remember, Moody has that pesky poison pill in his contract on account of his extension. He does count for $5.8M for the Warriors sending out, but $10.8M for the receiving team. Few, if any, teams can absorb that much salary, since the Warriors wouldn't want any money coming back.

When does the Schroeder trade need to be done in order for us to be able to trade him again before the deadline? The 16th?

They can trade him by himself any time, but to combine his salary, yes, the 16th. Since it appears to be official today that works. They can't combine and trade until Feb 5, though, the day before the deadline.

Yes, thank you for the clarification, I meant to aggregate. It almost forces them to pause on the big game hunt until the 5th and see what this roster can do in the next 20-25 games. With the 1 game in 8 days and the practices the schedule allows (no travel in that week) this is just perfect timing

[vvoland]

This makes sense to me, especially with regard to Johnson. A trade for Johnson would be tricky--you could match salary with, for instance, Kuminga, Payton, and Anderson, and even have enough to sign 2 replacements to pro-rated minimums.

The problem comes because Johnson has almost $4M in unlikely incentives. These don't mattere for matching, but they do matter for the Apron team salary. The W's would have to dump another $5M or so to stay under the hard cap and sign a replacement. Podz wouldn't be enough, you'd need more, which means you'd have to sign another replacement.

There was no way this was going to work, unless, of course, they wanted to trade Wiggins. Which I doubt was ever considered. Which is why the above makes sense to me.

Couldn’t they trade moody to clear the 5M?

Remember, Moody has that pesky poison pill in his contract on account of his extension. He does count for $5.8M for the Warriors sending out, but $10.8M for the receiving team. Few, if any, teams can absorb that much salary, since the Warriors wouldn't want any money coming back.

Are there really not many teams that could take moody at his ~11m if we're just trying to dump the salary? Especially if we're dumping his contract to get a couple of minimum contacts, that team could throw us a few of those and have ~4m outgoing.

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Couldn’t they trade moody to clear the 5M?

Remember, Moody has that pesky poison pill in his contract on account of his extension. He does count for $5.8M for the Warriors sending out, but $10.8M for the receiving team. Few, if any, teams can absorb that much salary, since the Warriors wouldn't want any money coming back.

Are there really not many teams that could take moody at his ~11m if we're just trying to dump the salary? Especially if we're dumping his contract to get a couple of minimum contacts, that team could throw us a few of those and have ~4m outgoing.

As far as I can tell, Detroit would probably have the cap room, and it looks like 3 teams have the MLE room and are far enough under the Apron (they can't be over the Apron at the end of the deal) to absorb $11M; Charlotte, Houston, and Toronto. So, yes, there are a few. It would undoubtedly cost draft picks for the W's and it would also hard-cap the receiving team. Whether they could be induced to do it, who knows.

[wco81]

Man these trade rules are so convoluted.

Almost like the league doesn't want trades.