12/15 - Game 25: Mavericks (16-9) @ Warriors (14-10) 5:30pm PST

[superunknown]

I really didn't come out of this game thinking the issue was jk. Weird that it seems to be the minority opinion

JK was not the problem, one problem was Steve continuing to start him over Draymond. JK just catches strays because of Steve's bad decisions. I am afraid of paying JK big money though, I don't want to sign him to a 30M+ contract.

Ultimately though Luka was just on fire and led them to victory, and the Mavs have a better team. Steve does do weird things with lineups though, e.g. vs. the Rockets he went away from what worked in our win by playing Loon only 11 minutes and barely with Sengun, then tonight not starting Draymond when we beat them with Dray starting.

You don't want to sign JK for a 30M +, he doesn't want to sign for anything less than 35M + so we're trying to see whether or not he can be a 35M +. It's not JK's problem that he's not a good player and wants a bigger role, it's Steve's fault for trying to find out if he can fulfill a bigger role.

This is the 2 time line bs. Steve is now in development mode and not win games mode. But now people are upset at Steve for developing JK?

I agree with what you are saying, but on the bold text, then why the hell he didn't start developing JK (and moody) 2 seasons ago instead of giving a big chunk of his developing minutes to anthony effing lamb and ty jerome?
for the record, I don't think it would have made a huge difference to what JK looks like today, still, if the strategy was the 2 time line bs the way he's handled the situation ain't make no sense whatsoever.

[Onus]

JK was not the problem, one problem was Steve continuing to start him over Draymond. JK just catches strays because of Steve's bad decisions. I am afraid of paying JK big money though, I don't want to sign him to a 30M+ contract.

Ultimately though Luka was just on fire and led them to victory, and the Mavs have a better team. Steve does do weird things with lineups though, e.g. vs. the Rockets he went away from what worked in our win by playing Loon only 11 minutes and barely with Sengun, then tonight not starting Draymond when we beat them with Dray starting.

You don't want to sign JK for a 30M +, he doesn't want to sign for anything less than 35M + so we're trying to see whether or not he can be a 35M +. It's not JK's problem that he's not a good player and wants a bigger role, it's Steve's fault for trying to find out if he can fulfill a bigger role.

This is the 2 time line bs. Steve is now in development mode and not win games mode. But now people are upset at Steve for developing JK?

I agree with what you are saying, but on the bold text, then why the hell he didn't start developing JK (and moody) 2 seasons ago instead of giving a big chunk of his developing minutes to anthony effing lamb and ty jerome?
for the record, I don't think it would have made a huge difference to what JK looks like today, still, if the strategy was the 2 time line bs the way he's handled the situation ain't make no sense whatsoever.

Because they have to make a decision on JK in 2 months. Is he worth keeping past the trade deadline? If so, what is he worth to bring back or match for next year. That's what these next 2 months are going to be about.

People love to delay things until they have to make a decision and decision time is coming up.

[superunknown]

You don't want to sign JK for a 30M +, he doesn't want to sign for anything less than 35M + so we're trying to see whether or not he can be a 35M +. It's not JK's problem that he's not a good player and wants a bigger role, it's Steve's fault for trying to find out if he can fulfill a bigger role.

This is the 2 time line bs. Steve is now in development mode and not win games mode. But now people are upset at Steve for developing JK?

I agree with what you are saying, but on the bold text, then why the hell he didn't start developing JK (and moody) 2 seasons ago instead of giving a big chunk of his developing minutes to anthony effing lamb and ty jerome?
for the record, I don't think it would have made a huge difference to what JK looks like today, still, if the strategy was the 2 time line bs the way he's handled the situation ain't make no sense whatsoever.

Because they have to make a decision on JK in 2 months. Is he worth keeping past the trade deadline? If so, what is he worth to bring back or match for next year. That's what these next 2 months are going to be about.

People love to delay things until they have to make a decision and decision time is coming up.

honestly, I don't think this is a decision you can make in 2 months. or even in 6 months.
you need to look at the whole body of work, and kuminga hasn't shown anything to make you think he can be a future second violin (I don't even wanna go to first option as it would be laughable at this stage) or even an effective system player like OPJ 2 seasons ago. I mean, apart the "intangibles" he clearly lacks, he cannot even be consistently the primary go-to-guy in the second unit, what are we talking about here?
what do they really want to find out in the next 2 months they haven't done in the past 4 years? the only reason to bring him back next year would be as a part of a sign&trade, that's it. he should go to a team like WAS or BRK where he can record meaningless numbers in a losing context like kuzma and Dlo. that's pretty much his dimension as for today.

[Onus]

I agree with what you are saying, but on the bold text, then why the hell he didn't start developing JK (and moody) 2 seasons ago instead of giving a big chunk of his developing minutes to anthony effing lamb and ty jerome?
for the record, I don't think it would have made a huge difference to what JK looks like today, still, if the strategy was the 2 time line bs the way he's handled the situation ain't make no sense whatsoever.

Because they have to make a decision on JK in 2 months. Is he worth keeping past the trade deadline? If so, what is he worth to bring back or match for next year. That's what these next 2 months are going to be about.

People love to delay things until they have to make a decision and decision time is coming up.

honestly, I don't think this is a decision you can make in 2 months. or even in 6 months.
you need to look at the whole body of work, and kuminga hasn't shown anything to make you think he can be a future second violin (I don't even wanna go to first option as it would be laughable at this stage) or even an effective system player like OPJ 2 seasons ago. I mean, apart the "intangibles" he clearly lacks, he cannot even be consistently the primary go-to-guy in the second unit, what are we talking about here?
what do they really want to find out in the next 2 months they haven't done in the past 4 years? the only reason to bring him back next year would be as a part of a sign&trade, that's it. he should go to a team like WAS or BRK where he can record meaningless numbers in a losing context like kuzma and Dlo. that's pretty much his dimension as for today.

I'm sure the FO doesn't want to acknowledge that they wasted the last 3 years in not trading JK. Basically it's probably someone's talent evaluation ego. Imagine wasting the franchise's GOAT's last years for JK and then not knowing what JK can be. Bob Myers and Joe Lacob totally **** the last years of Curry.

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[whatisacenter]

Because they have to make a decision on JK in 2 months. Is he worth keeping past the trade deadline? If so, what is he worth to bring back or match for next year. That's what these next 2 months are going to be about.

People love to delay things until they have to make a decision and decision time is coming up.

honestly, I don't think this is a decision you can make in 2 months. or even in 6 months.
you need to look at the whole body of work, and kuminga hasn't shown anything to make you think he can be a future second violin (I don't even wanna go to first option as it would be laughable at this stage) or even an effective system player like OPJ 2 seasons ago. I mean, apart the "intangibles" he clearly lacks, he cannot even be consistently the primary go-to-guy in the second unit, what are we talking about here?
what do they really want to find out in the next 2 months they haven't done in the past 4 years? the only reason to bring him back next year would be as a part of a sign&trade, that's it. he should go to a team like WAS or BRK where he can record meaningless numbers in a losing context like kuzma and Dlo. that's pretty much his dimension as for today.

I'm sure the FO doesn't want to acknowledge that they wasted the last 3 years in not trading JK. Basically it's probably someone's talent evaluation ego. Imagine wasting the franchise's GOAT's last years for JK and then not knowing what JK can be. Bob Myers and Joe Lacob totally **** the last years of Curry.

Dude, Bob is gone, has been the past two seasons.

[superunknown]

Because they have to make a decision on JK in 2 months. Is he worth keeping past the trade deadline? If so, what is he worth to bring back or match for next year. That's what these next 2 months are going to be about.

People love to delay things until they have to make a decision and decision time is coming up.

honestly, I don't think this is a decision you can make in 2 months. or even in 6 months.
you need to look at the whole body of work, and kuminga hasn't shown anything to make you think he can be a future second violin (I don't even wanna go to first option as it would be laughable at this stage) or even an effective system player like OPJ 2 seasons ago. I mean, apart the "intangibles" he clearly lacks, he cannot even be consistently the primary go-to-guy in the second unit, what are we talking about here?
what do they really want to find out in the next 2 months they haven't done in the past 4 years? the only reason to bring him back next year would be as a part of a sign&trade, that's it. he should go to a team like WAS or BRK where he can record meaningless numbers in a losing context like kuzma and Dlo. that's pretty much his dimension as for today.

I'm sure the FO doesn't want to acknowledge that they wasted the last 3 years in not trading JK. Basically it's probably someone's talent evaluation ego. Imagine wasting the franchise's GOAT's last years for JK and then not knowing what JK can be. Bob Myers and Joe Lacob totally **** the last years of Curry.

if this is the case, they are recidivist, because they did the same with wiseman. they waited in denial until his value plummeted and in the end they traded him for what, GPII and 2 future 2nd rounders? so this time is even worse because they did it already.

[Onus]

honestly, I don't think this is a decision you can make in 2 months. or even in 6 months.
you need to look at the whole body of work, and kuminga hasn't shown anything to make you think he can be a future second violin (I don't even wanna go to first option as it would be laughable at this stage) or even an effective system player like OPJ 2 seasons ago. I mean, apart the "intangibles" he clearly lacks, he cannot even be consistently the primary go-to-guy in the second unit, what are we talking about here?
what do they really want to find out in the next 2 months they haven't done in the past 4 years? the only reason to bring him back next year would be as a part of a sign&trade, that's it. he should go to a team like WAS or BRK where he can record meaningless numbers in a losing context like kuzma and Dlo. that's pretty much his dimension as for today.

I'm sure the FO doesn't want to acknowledge that they wasted the last 3 years in not trading JK. Basically it's probably someone's talent evaluation ego. Imagine wasting the franchise's GOAT's last years for JK and then not knowing what JK can be. Bob Myers and Joe Lacob totally **** the last years of Curry.

Dude, Bob is gone, has been the past two seasons.

It started with Bob's **** drafts in Wiseman, JK, and Moody. Not getting a real starter or closer in 3 lottery picks is what doomed the franchise. MDJ not trading them for one is a cause of Bob's **** that he left.

[Onus]

honestly, I don't think this is a decision you can make in 2 months. or even in 6 months.
you need to look at the whole body of work, and kuminga hasn't shown anything to make you think he can be a future second violin (I don't even wanna go to first option as it would be laughable at this stage) or even an effective system player like OPJ 2 seasons ago. I mean, apart the "intangibles" he clearly lacks, he cannot even be consistently the primary go-to-guy in the second unit, what are we talking about here?
what do they really want to find out in the next 2 months they haven't done in the past 4 years? the only reason to bring him back next year would be as a part of a sign&trade, that's it. he should go to a team like WAS or BRK where he can record meaningless numbers in a losing context like kuzma and Dlo. that's pretty much his dimension as for today.

I'm sure the FO doesn't want to acknowledge that they wasted the last 3 years in not trading JK. Basically it's probably someone's talent evaluation ego. Imagine wasting the franchise's GOAT's last years for JK and then not knowing what JK can be. Bob Myers and Joe Lacob totally **** the last years of Curry.

if this is the case, they are recidivist, because they did the same with wiseman. they waited in denial until his value plummeted and in the end they traded him for what, GPII and 2 future 2nd rounders? so this time is even worse because they did it already.

Oh yea MDJ, probably Lacob's direction, is going to get a **** return on JK. He's basically just an expiring contract at this point if he's traded before the deadline. There may be some **** team that may give up value for him but it's not many.

[whatisacenter]

I'm sure the FO doesn't want to acknowledge that they wasted the last 3 years in not trading JK. Basically it's probably someone's talent evaluation ego. Imagine wasting the franchise's GOAT's last years for JK and then not knowing what JK can be. Bob Myers and Joe Lacob totally **** the last years of Curry.

Dude, Bob is gone, has been the past two seasons.

It started with Bob's **** drafts in Wiseman, JK, and Moody. Not getting a real starter or closer in 3 lottery picks is what doomed the franchise. MDJ not trading them for one is a cause of Bob's **** that he left.

When does the MDJ era begin?

[Onus]

Dude, Bob is gone, has been the past two seasons.

It started with Bob's **** drafts in Wiseman, JK, and Moody. Not getting a real starter or closer in 3 lottery picks is what doomed the franchise. MDJ not trading them for one is a cause of Bob's **** that he left.

When does the MDJ era begin?

Podz and TJD are MDJ picks. JK is a Bob pick. So as long as JK is on the team that's part of Bob's legacy. It doesn't change who you drafted just because you quit.

[whatisacenter]

It started with Bob's **** drafts in Wiseman, JK, and Moody. Not getting a real starter or closer in 3 lottery picks is what doomed the franchise. MDJ not trading them for one is a cause of Bob's **** that he left.

When does the MDJ era begin?

Podz and TJD are MDJ picks. JK is a Bob pick. So as long as JK is on the team that's part of Bob's legacy. It doesn't change who you drafted just because you quit.

JK can be part of Bob's legacy but this roster has been built by MDJ. Time to move on already.

The Draymond extension.

The CP3 trade and letting his contract go for nothing.

Heck, Jr. was heavily involved in the draft since the Poole pick.

[HiRez]

Imagine we had Markkanen instead of Podz...

You mean instead of Podz, Kuminga, Moody, and 4 first round picks. If you're going to imagine it, that's what you have to imagine because that's allegedly what Ainge was asking, and he's not known for caving (or even bending) in trade talks.

Markkanen miiiiight have helped to win the game last night, but the result could easily have been the same since he's going to give up a lot on the defensive end, like he's not stopping Kyrie or Luka from doing what they did.

[Onus]

When does the MDJ era begin?

Podz and TJD are MDJ picks. JK is a Bob pick. So as long as JK is on the team that's part of Bob's legacy. It doesn't change who you drafted just because you quit.

JK can be part of Bob's legacy but this roster has been built by MDJ. Time to move on already.

The Draymond extension.

The CP3 trade and letting his contract go for nothing.

Heck, Jr. was heavily involved in the draft since the Poole pick.

Money moves are on Lacob. So the CP3 contract not being used is on Lacob. Money is at the owner's directive. Lacob gets credit for going into the tax when Bob was here, he doesn't get credit for not using the cp3 contract.

So the only issue you have is the draymond extension which is on MDJ for sure.

[Onus]

Imagine we had Markkanen instead of Podz...

You mean instead of Podz, Kuminga, Moody, and 4 first round picks. If you're going to imagine it, that's what you have to imagine because that's allegedly what Ainge was asking, and he's not known for caving (or even bending) in trade talks.

Markkanen miiiiight have helped to win the game last night, but the result could easily have been the same since he's going to give up a lot on the defensive end, like he's not stopping Kyrie or Luka from doing what they did.

So a bunch of role players for someone who will for sure close. The paint is so crowded right now it's insane. It's no wonder we are the worst finishing team in the league.

[CDM_Stats]

love how absolutely no one helped Podz when he was stuck in the corner... that was the craziest thing I've seen tonight

That was nuts, made me get off the couch literally yelling "help him!!". I've never seen it quite that bad where a guy is screwed and nobody comes to help. What were the thinking? Literally all 4 guys are to blame for not coming to help.

I haven't heard anything. But we've seen things on the court with how he interacts with vets. Wiggs last year and heild just recently.

I'm thinking podz just isn't well liked.

We are starting to see some cracks in the good vibes we had in preseason.

Never attribute to malice what you can to incompetence

and if you need an example, I misquoted this at first. Not intentionally, incompetently

[Jester_]

Imagine we had Markkanen instead of Podz...

You mean instead of Podz, Kuminga, Moody, and 4 first round picks. If you're going to imagine it, that's what you have to imagine because that's allegedly what Ainge was asking, and he's not known for caving (or even bending) in trade talks.

Markkanen miiiiight have helped to win the game last night, but the result could easily have been the same since he's going to give up a lot on the defensive end, like he's not stopping Kyrie or Luka from doing what they did.

source?

[whatisacenter]

Podz and TJD are MDJ picks. JK is a Bob pick. So as long as JK is on the team that's part of Bob's legacy. It doesn't change who you drafted just because you quit.

JK can be part of Bob's legacy but this roster has been built by MDJ. Time to move on already.

The Draymond extension.

The CP3 trade and letting his contract go for nothing.

Heck, Jr. was heavily involved in the draft since the Poole pick.

Money moves are on Lacob. So the CP3 contract not being used is on Lacob. Money is at the owner's directive. Lacob gets credit for going into the tax when Bob was here, he doesn't get credit for not using the cp3 contract.

So the only issue you have is the draymond extension which is on MDJ for sure.

Right, but if Bob was still here you would lump that in on him.

[whatisacenter]

Imagine we had Markkanen instead of Podz...

You mean instead of Podz, Kuminga, Moody, and 4 first round picks. If you're going to imagine it, that's what you have to imagine because that's allegedly what Ainge was asking, and he's not known for caving (or even bending) in trade talks.

Markkanen miiiiight have helped to win the game last night, but the result could easily have been the same since he's going to give up a lot on the defensive end, like he's not stopping Kyrie or Luka from doing what they did.

source?

Where have you been? Do you think they could have traded Podz for Lauri straight up?

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[Jester_]

You mean instead of Podz, Kuminga, Moody, and 4 first round picks. If you're going to imagine it, that's what you have to imagine because that's allegedly what Ainge was asking, and he's not known for caving (or even bending) in trade talks.

Markkanen miiiiight have helped to win the game last night, but the result could easily have been the same since he's going to give up a lot on the defensive end, like he's not stopping Kyrie or Luka from doing what they did.

source?

Where have you been? Do you think they could have traded Podz for Lauri straight up?

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and literally twelve hours after that, Shams clarified

"But if the Golden State Warriors put in a Brandin Podziemski and from what I'm told, three first-round picks, three or four unprotected pick swaps, three or four second-round picks..."

At that point, one of the hosts mentioned breakout wing Jonathan Kuminga as a potential name in trade talks.

"Kuminga is a name but I think, for everything I'm told, the Jazz are focused on Brandin Podziemski and his inclusion in the deal," Charania said. "All the picks being in the deal. And I think from the Warriors perspective, it's Podziemski, but then there's not all the picks and if it's all the picks, then there's not going to be a Podziemski."

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-podz-jazzs-focus-markkanen-033935219.html