The Tim Connelly Thread (prev./still Fire Him)

[shrink]

So you are telling me Wolves fans should not expect Glen Taylor to spend the 2nd highest payroll in the NBA if that is what the team needs to compete for the championship? I can't even consider you a Wolves fan at this point. Meanwhile Shrink when ARod and Lore are rumored to cut spending... "these aren't serious owners." So you argue others are entitled and bitching to demand owners spend money, but when you do it you aren't bitching. You either look out of touch or as just a wild hypocrite.

You realize that ARod and Lore proposed taking MIN not under the second apron, not under the first apron, but under the lux?

This is removing the $95 mil that Taylor spent, which YOU claim to believe good owners are SUPPOSED to spend that much.

If ARod and Lore tell other owners and their lenders that they will pay $180 mil, you’re ok with that, but if Taylor takes his $300 mil down to $295, he’s your bad guy? You just equivocating $5 mil less with $120 mil less, because they are both “less.” Yikes.

Learn the amounts, because they matter. They trump your blind emotionalism, and could help you be a more legitimate poster.

[BlacJacMac]

So you are telling me Wolves fans should not expect Glen Taylor to spend the 2nd highest payroll in the NBA if that is what the team needs to compete for the championship? I can't even consider you a Wolves fan at this point. Meanwhile Shrink when ARod and Lore are rumored to cut spending... "these aren't serious owners." So you argue others are entitled and bitching to demand owners spend money, but when you do it you aren't bitching. You either look out of touch or as just a wild hypocrite.

I thought I was a Day 1 Wolves fan (even voted on the franchise name!), but apparently I'm not even a fan at all.

I do not, in any way, expect anyone owning the Wolves to have the 2nd highest payroll in the NBA.

[shrink]

Let me add one more thing here. I am regularly insulted as a “Taylor defender,” particularly from this new couple of ARod and Lore fans that don’t know the numbers, and argue semantics and emotions more than evidence. With Taylor, and any player or GM, I think they deserve credit when they do things well, and criticism when they do things poorly. That’s fair.

Taylor certainly has his faults. To me, his biggest has been his inability (with the exception of Cheryl Reeve and Flip) to identify the right people to put in charge of the organization. From Country Club to Kahn, this has been an issue. This is further compounded because he is very slow to remove someone who isn’t working out.

What has NOT been a fault is his willingness to spend, and I will speak up when I hear silly fans make this complaint when he is paying the second highest payroll in the NBA.

I have watched a lot of bad owners in other franchises over the years. If I was a GM, I would want an owner to empower me to make decisions (even when he disagrees), be willing to go into the lux if you have a contender ($100 mil is excessive though), don’t keep interjecting his opinions (let basketball people make basketball decisions), and give me a long leash (a problem if the GM is bad, a boon if the GM is good). Taylor doesn’t have these big problems.

I think any owner gets overly scapegoated if their team goes through a period of continued lack of success, because he’s the one who’s there through it all. However, an owner is only a part of the equation - GM, Coach, Players and the organization need to succeed for the team to win. Blame Taylor,GM, Coach or Players for what they deserve to be blamed for, but they should also get credit for their contributions.

[Mattya]

So you are telling me Wolves fans should not expect Glen Taylor to spend the 2nd highest payroll in the NBA if that is what the team needs to compete for the championship? I can't even consider you a Wolves fan at this point. Meanwhile Shrink when ARod and Lore are rumored to cut spending... "these aren't serious owners." So you argue others are entitled and bitching to demand owners spend money, but when you do it you aren't bitching. You either look out of touch or as just a wild hypocrite.

You realize that ARod and Lore proposed taking MIN not under the second apron, not under the first apron, but under the lux?

This is removing the $95 mil that Taylor spent, which YOU claim to believe good owners are SUPPOSED to spend that much.

If ARod and Lore tell other owners and their lenders that they will pay $180 mil, you’re ok with that, but if Taylor takes his $300 mil down to $295, he’s your bad guy? You just equivocating $5 mil less with $120 mil less, because they are both “less.” Yikes.

Learn the amounts, because they matter. They trump your blind emotionalism, and could help you be a more legitimate poster.

You do realize that was one many projections? Of course you do, you are just completely disingenuous whenever it comes to Taylor or ARod and Lore. By your own logic though this would have opened them up to make a lot of moves right? So why did you have a problem with this single projection, when this was just you defending the KAT trade...

And that’s not even talking about the functionality gains for the team if we get under an apron or two.

There is always a Shrink quote being a total hypocrite.

Bolded is just utterly moronic. You would need to ignore future savings this move provides(which you clearly can comprehend when it comes to praising Taylor while ignoring future savings in multiple posts).

[Mattya]

So you are telling me Wolves fans should not expect Glen Taylor to spend the 2nd highest payroll in the NBA if that is what the team needs to compete for the championship? I can't even consider you a Wolves fan at this point. Meanwhile Shrink when ARod and Lore are rumored to cut spending... "these aren't serious owners." So you argue others are entitled and bitching to demand owners spend money, but when you do it you aren't bitching. You either look out of touch or as just a wild hypocrite.

I thought I was a Day 1 Wolves fan (even voted on the franchise name!), but apparently I'm not even a fan at all.

I do not, in any way, expect anyone owning the Wolves to have the 2nd highest payroll in the NBA.

um why are you okay as a "fan" with your owner not spending the money the only time they have ever competed, or are "fans" just okay going to games to watch the worst franchise in the league? Are you idolizing the Chicago Bulls ownership who constantly treadmills because of cheap owners? Make it make sense to defend owners cutting costs to not make moves to make the team better.

[shrink]

So you are telling me Wolves fans should not expect Glen Taylor to spend the 2nd highest payroll in the NBA if that is what the team needs to compete for the championship? I can't even consider you a Wolves fan at this point. Meanwhile Shrink when ARod and Lore are rumored to cut spending... "these aren't serious owners." So you argue others are entitled and bitching to demand owners spend money, but when you do it you aren't bitching. You either look out of touch or as just a wild hypocrite.

You realize that ARod and Lore proposed taking MIN not under the second apron, not under the first apron, but under the lux?

This is removing the $95 mil that Taylor spent, which YOU claim to believe good owners are SUPPOSED to spend that much.

If ARod and Lore tell other owners and their lenders that they will pay $180 mil, you’re ok with that, but if Taylor takes his $300 mil down to $295, he’s your bad guy? You just equivocating $5 mil less with $120 mil less, because they are both “less.” Yikes.

Learn the amounts, because they matter. They trump your blind emotionalism, and could help you be a more legitimate poster.

You do realize that was one many projections? Of course you do, you are just completely disingenuous whenever it comes to Taylor or ARod and Lore. By your own logic though this would have opened them up to make a lot of moves right? So why did you have a problem with this single projection, when this was just you defending the KAT trade...

And that’s not even talking about the functionality gains for the team if we get under an apron or two.

There is always a Shrink quote being a total hypocrite.

Bolded is just utterly moronic. You would need to ignore future savings this move provides(which you clearly can comprehend when it comes to praising Taylor while ignoring future savings in multiple posts).

This is the ONE projection ARod and Connelly made to the 29 other owners, and more importantly, their lender. Those are the most important people for them to be honest with.

Of course, you can bank on them lying to those guys, but then you are banking on liars, and all their other promises don’t carry any weight. So choose a path.

Regardless, YOU brought up ARod and Lore’s plan to cut payroll so they only paid $180 mil. You forgot to explain why you said bringing the payroll down to $180 is the same as bringing the payroll down to $295, since they are both going down?

[BlacJacMac]

So you are telling me Wolves fans should not expect Glen Taylor to spend the 2nd highest payroll in the NBA if that is what the team needs to compete for the championship? I can't even consider you a Wolves fan at this point. Meanwhile Shrink when ARod and Lore are rumored to cut spending... "these aren't serious owners." So you argue others are entitled and bitching to demand owners spend money, but when you do it you aren't bitching. You either look out of touch or as just a wild hypocrite.

I thought I was a Day 1 Wolves fan (even voted on the franchise name!), but apparently I'm not even a fan at all.

I do not, in any way, expect anyone owning the Wolves to have the 2nd highest payroll in the NBA.

um why are you okay as a "fan" with your owner not spending the money the only time they have ever competed, or are "fans" just okay going to games to watch the worst franchise in the league? Are you idolizing the Chicago Bulls ownership who constantly treadmills because of cheap owners? Make it make sense to defend owners cutting costs to not make moves to make the team better.

Because I'm realistic.

I don't expect my mid-market team with the worst stadium in the NBA to outspend the rest of the NBA. Especially when the new CBA is causing people like Ballmar to cut back spending and is even going to lead to the Celtics being sold!

Its not like Taylor is slashing payroll like the Pohlads. The Wolves are clearly trying to find a balance between still having one of the highest payrolls in the league and navigating the apron penalties.

[Mattya]

You realize that ARod and Lore proposed taking MIN not under the second apron, not under the first apron, but under the lux?

This is removing the $95 mil that Taylor spent, which YOU claim to believe good owners are SUPPOSED to spend that much.

If ARod and Lore tell other owners and their lenders that they will pay $180 mil, you’re ok with that, but if Taylor takes his $300 mil down to $295, he’s your bad guy? You just equivocating $5 mil less with $120 mil less, because they are both “less.” Yikes.

Learn the amounts, because they matter. They trump your blind emotionalism, and could help you be a more legitimate poster.

You do realize that was one many projections? Of course you do, you are just completely disingenuous whenever it comes to Taylor or ARod and Lore. By your own logic though this would have opened them up to make a lot of moves right? So why did you have a problem with this single projection, when this was just you defending the KAT trade...

And that’s not even talking about the functionality gains for the team if we get under an apron or two.

There is always a Shrink quote being a total hypocrite.

Bolded is just utterly moronic. You would need to ignore future savings this move provides(which you clearly can comprehend when it comes to praising Taylor while ignoring future savings in multiple posts).

This is the ONE projection ARod and Connelly made to the 29 other owners, and more importantly, their lender. Those are the most important people for them to be honest with.

Of course, you can bank on them lying to those guys, but then you are banking on liars, and all their other promises don’t carry any weight. So choose a path.

Regardless, YOU brought up ARod and Lore’s plan to cut payroll so they only paid $180 mil. You forgot to explain why you said bringing the payroll down to $180 is the same as bringing the payroll down to $295, since they are both going down?

1. One projection, why do you ignore the others. Can you explain that? Of course not, you never have, been waiting months and months. Shrink has to pretend that that was the only projection, and not just the only projection leaked to the media.

2. The wolves aren't projection to spend $295 million, they are projection to spend 207 million next year, they have 20 million less committed next year, but you constantly ignore that fact, because you ignore all facts that are inconvenient. Remember that savings should never be addressed only this years savings according to Shrink, that is unless he wants to praise them for creating flexibility by getting under both aprons. The same thing he derided ARod and Lore for having one projection to the owners.

[Mattya]

I thought I was a Day 1 Wolves fan (even voted on the franchise name!), but apparently I'm not even a fan at all.

I do not, in any way, expect anyone owning the Wolves to have the 2nd highest payroll in the NBA.

um why are you okay as a "fan" with your owner not spending the money the only time they have ever competed, or are "fans" just okay going to games to watch the worst franchise in the league? Are you idolizing the Chicago Bulls ownership who constantly treadmills because of cheap owners? Make it make sense to defend owners cutting costs to not make moves to make the team better.

Because I'm realistic.

I don't expect my mid-market team with the worst stadium in the NBA to outspend the rest of the NBA. Especially when the new CBA is causing people like Ballmar to cut back spending and is even going to lead to the Celtics being sold!

Its not like Taylor is slashing payroll like the Pohlads. The Wolves are clearly trying to find a balance between still having one of the highest payrolls in the league and navigating the apron penalties.

No being a fan of the Wolves is just the sports equivalent of staying in an abusive relationship. Your expectation are warped. The Milwaukee bucks are a smaller market than us. They have increased spending every single year since winning a championship. Eden's has the same net worth as Taylor. There is no excuse for teams cutting money while competing unless they are going to make moves. This move doesn't do that, unless we are cutting even more salary, which will also decrease the chances of winning.

[shrink]

So you are telling me Wolves fans should not expect Glen Taylor to spend the 2nd highest payroll in the NBA if that is what the team needs to compete for the championship? I can't even consider you a Wolves fan at this point. Meanwhile Shrink when ARod and Lore are rumored to cut spending... "these aren't serious owners." So you argue others are entitled and bitching to demand owners spend money, but when you do it you aren't bitching. You either look out of touch or as just a wild hypocrite.

I thought I was a Day 1 Wolves fan (even voted on the franchise name!), but apparently I'm not even a fan at all.

I do not, in any way, expect anyone owning the Wolves to have the 2nd highest payroll in the NBA.

um why are you okay as a "fan" with your owner not spending the money the only time they have ever competed, or are "fans" just okay going to games to watch the worst franchise in the league?.

For the record, Taylor has pad lux taxes four times, even when there has been a hint of contending. He never paid $100 mil in a season, but very few ever have - it’s the fifth highest lux tax payment in NBA history. In fact, like almost all owners, Taylor pays into the lux when he has a contender.

It should also be noted that paying the lux doesn’t guarantee you a winner. Aside from the 2022 warriors (in the repeater), the most lux taxes paid by a winner was $52. Since luxury taxes started in 2007, six NBA champs have paid only 0-$1 mil.

Two teams have never paid lux taxes (NOP and WAS). Four times for MIN is about average, and is probably low because the low-revenue Wolves haven’t had many good seasons that warranted paying luxntaxes.

[shrink]

You do realize that was one many projections? Of course you do, you are just completely disingenuous whenever it comes to Taylor or ARod and Lore. By your own logic though this would have opened them up to make a lot of moves right? So why did you have a problem with this single projection, when this was just you defending the KAT trade...



There is always a Shrink quote being a total hypocrite.

Bolded is just utterly moronic. You would need to ignore future savings this move provides(which you clearly can comprehend when it comes to praising Taylor while ignoring future savings in multiple posts).

This is the ONE projection ARod and Connelly made to the 29 other owners, and more importantly, their lender. Those are the most important people for them to be honest with.

Of course, you can bank on them lying to those guys, but then you are banking on liars, and all their other promises don’t carry any weight. So choose a path.

Regardless, YOU brought up ARod and Lore’s plan to cut payroll so they only paid $180 mil. You forgot to explain why you said bringing the payroll down to $180 is the same as bringing the payroll down to $295, since they are both going down?

1. One projection, why do you ignore the others. Can you explain that? Of course not, you never have, been waiting months and months. Shrink has to pretend that that was the only projection, and not just the only projection leaked to the media.

I (and others) have explained this many time, but somehow your emotionalism won’t let you accept reality.

ARod and Lore made ONE projection to the Board of Governors and their lenders. Dane and others speculated other teams have other projections based on how things go, but when ARod and Lore were forced to give their plan for the team, they told the other owners and their lender they could afford to be owners because their plan was to take the team payroll under the lux.

That’s reality, not wishful thinking.

[quote=“Mattya”]2. The wolves aren't projection to spend $295 million, they are projection to spend 207 million next year, they have 20 million less committed next year, but you constantly ignore that fact, because you ignore all facts that are inconvenient.[/quote]

$207 plus the luxury taxes.

Luxury Tax Calculations on 34,280,273:

First 5.168 million 1.5/1: 7,752,000
2nd 5.168 million 1.75/1: 9.044,000
3rd 5.168 million 2.50/1: 12,920,000
4th 5.168 million 3.25/1: 16,796,000
5th 5.168 million 3.75/1: 19,380,000
6th 5.168 million 4.25/1: 21,964,000
Remaining 3,272,273 @4.75/1: 15,543,296

Total Tax Payments: 103,399,296

Total Outlay Salary + Luxury Taxes: 308,493,569

We don’t know what payroll will be next year, because of Randle, because of Naz and because of NAW. I would imagine it would go down some, because $100 mil in lux taxes isn’t sustainable, but saying “$20 mil” is just your guess. So yes, I am going to ignore your imaginary numbers.

[Mattya]

I thought I was a Day 1 Wolves fan (even voted on the franchise name!), but apparently I'm not even a fan at all.

I do not, in any way, expect anyone owning the Wolves to have the 2nd highest payroll in the NBA.

um why are you okay as a "fan" with your owner not spending the money the only time they have ever competed, or are "fans" just okay going to games to watch the worst franchise in the league?.

For the record, Taylor has pad lux taxes four times, even when there has been a hint of contending. He never paid $100 mil in a season, but very few ever have - it’s the fifth highest lux tax payment in NBA history. In fact, like almost all owners, Taylor pays into the lux when he has a contender.

It should also be noted that paying the lux doesn’t guarantee you a winner. Aside from the 2022 warriors (in the repeater), the most lux taxes paid by a winner was $52. Since luxury taxes started in 2007, six NBA champs have paid only 0-$1 mil.

Two teams have never paid lux taxes (NOP and WAS). Four times for MIN is about average, and is probably low because the low-revenue Wolves haven’t had many good seasons that warranted paying luxntaxes.

The 4 times he paid the lux he was expecting to compete at least for the playoffs, and cut salary when they didn't, this time he cut salary when we were competing. I'm fine if you want to save money as a loser, but to defend cutting salary from a winner? Nope. This deal is horrible no matter which way you cut it. Randle is not close to KAT, Divenczo is just a good bench player, and the pick is highly protected. The move locks us into not adding a second star unless we are getting rid of even more salary(and the talent on the court), which then to add another star we would need to add current talent to a deal, or hoping a pick or player blossoms into a star, which by these same standards would come with more cost cutting. At least with KAT, you could had the salary to trade for another star level player. Now we have teams like the multiple teams looking to trade their stars and we can't because we dropped salary. Good teams find ways to use the salary cap to keep talent on their team and to have multiple stars so they can compete. That way they don't need to drop salary to only then add players to trades.

[Mattya]

This is the ONE projection ARod and Connelly made to the 29 other owners, and more importantly, their lender. Those are the most important people for them to be honest with.

Of course, you can bank on them lying to those guys, but then you are banking on liars, and all their other promises don’t carry any weight. So choose a path.

Regardless, YOU brought up ARod and Lore’s plan to cut payroll so they only paid $180 mil. You forgot to explain why you said bringing the payroll down to $180 is the same as bringing the payroll down to $295, since they are both going down?

1. One projection, why do you ignore the others. Can you explain that? Of course not, you never have, been waiting months and months. Shrink has to pretend that that was the only projection, and not just the only projection leaked to the media.

I (and others) have explained this many time, but somehow your emotionalism won’t let you accept reality.

ARod and Lore made ONE projection to the Board of Governors and their lenders. Dane and others speculated other teams have other projections based on how things go, but when ARod and Lore were forced to give their plan for the team, they told the other owners and their lender they could afford to be owners because their plan was to take the team payroll under the lux.

That’s reality, not wishful thinking.

[quote=“Mattya”]2. The wolves aren't projection to spend $295 million, they are projection to spend 207 million next year, they have 20 million less committed next year, but you constantly ignore that fact, because you ignore all facts that are inconvenient.

$207 plus the luxury taxes.

Luxury Tax Calculations on 34,280,273:

First 5.168 million 1.5/1: 7,752,000
2nd 5.168 million 1.75/1: 9.044,000
3rd 5.168 million 2.50/1: 12,920,000
4th 5.168 million 3.25/1: 16,796,000
5th 5.168 million 3.75/1: 19,380,000
6th 5.168 million 4.25/1: 21,964,000
Remaining 3,272,273 @4.75/1: 15,543,296

Total Tax Payments: 103,399,296

Total Outlay Salary + Luxury Taxes: 308,493,569

[/quote]

Okay this is why a said salary, but if you want to be accurate now do their total projected luxury tax payments for next year.

[shrink]

2. The wolves aren't projection to spend $295 million, they are projection to spend 207 million next year, they have 20 million less committed next year, but you constantly ignore that fact, because you ignore all facts that are inconvenient.

$207 plus the luxury taxes.

Luxury Tax Calculations on 34,280,273:

First 5.168 million 1.5/1: 7,752,000
2nd 5.168 million 1.75/1: 9.044,000
3rd 5.168 million 2.50/1: 12,920,000
4th 5.168 million 3.25/1: 16,796,000
5th 5.168 million 3.75/1: 19,380,000
6th 5.168 million 4.25/1: 21,964,000
Remaining 3,272,273 @4.75/1: 15,543,296

Total Tax Payments: 103,399,296

Total Outlay Salary + Luxury Taxes: 308,493,569

Okay this is why a said salary, but if you want to be accurate now do their total projected luxury tax payments for next year.

If you want to be accurate, you did not say “salary,” you said “projection.” Removing the huge lux payment from the ownership’s projected costs hides the contribution he is making, or as you say, “ignore all the facts that are inconvenient.”

I guarantee you, paying an extra $100 mil on top of payroll is inconvenient for any owner.

[BlacJacMac]

um why are you okay as a "fan" with your owner not spending the money the only time they have ever competed, or are "fans" just okay going to games to watch the worst franchise in the league? Are you idolizing the Chicago Bulls ownership who constantly treadmills because of cheap owners? Make it make sense to defend owners cutting costs to not make moves to make the team better.

Because I'm realistic.

I don't expect my mid-market team with the worst stadium in the NBA to outspend the rest of the NBA. Especially when the new CBA is causing people like Ballmar to cut back spending and is even going to lead to the Celtics being sold!

Its not like Taylor is slashing payroll like the Pohlads. The Wolves are clearly trying to find a balance between still having one of the highest payrolls in the league and navigating the apron penalties.

No being a fan of the Wolves is just the sports equivalent of staying in an abusive relationship. Your expectation are warped. The Milwaukee bucks are a smaller market than us. They have increased spending every single year since winning a championship. Eden's has the same net worth as Taylor. There is no excuse for teams cutting money while competing unless they are going to make moves. This move doesn't do that, unless we are cutting even more salary, which will also decrease the chances of winning.

And we're still 10M over the Bucks - and only behind Phoenix this year.

We're projected to be 6th next year - and that's without new deals to Naz and NAW. (Bucks are currently projected to be 8th).

[younggunsmn]

We don’t know what payroll will be next year, because of Randle, because of Naz and because of NAW. I would imagine it would go down some, because $100 mil in lux taxes isn’t sustainable, but saying “$20 mil” is just your guess. So yes, I am going to ignore your imaginary numbers.

I have the Wolves at 153 million for next year before re-signing any of Randle, Naz, or NAW.
WIth the luxury tax projection to be somewhere between 169 million minimum and a maximum of 187 million depending on how big the cap bump is from increased revenue.

So somewhere between 16 and 34 million below the luxury tax before any opt-ins from Randle or Naz or re-signing them.
Randle taking his player option would add another 28.7 million in salary, put us at about 182 million.

For some perspective, without the KAT trade we would be at 192 million for next year before signing NAW or Naz.
Already over the luxury tax line even in 10% cap bump world.
And that's after Rudy Gobert's extension saved us another 11 million, and that extension wasn't signed yet when KAT was traded.

I hate the KAT trade, I absolutely hate it because I can't stand Julius Randle.
And Randle not even definitively being an expiring contract makes it even worse.

Taylor has always spent about what an NBA franchise in this market would dictate.
People forget what a shockwave it sent through the league when he gave KG his big 6/126 extension.
That's not the move of a cheap owner.
That contract led directly to the luxury tax system and the restricted free agent system which allows most teams to control their draft picks for up to 9 years if they want to.
And as head of the the board of governors for many years, Glen had a big hand in creating the present system.

Glen Taylor has many faults, but he's not as stupid or greedy as we all make him out to be.

There is also the regional sports network revenue collapse bomb that hasn't hit us yet because we are still operating with a pre-cord cutting bally (excuse me Sports Gambling network) contract.

Not saying it will be as bad as the Twins, but the Twins made an equivalent of what would be about a 40 million dollar payroll cut for us when their contract ran out.

Whoever owns the team is going to operate right under the luxury tax just like every other market in our position, over the long term.

[Mattya]

Because I'm realistic.

I don't expect my mid-market team with the worst stadium in the NBA to outspend the rest of the NBA. Especially when the new CBA is causing people like Ballmar to cut back spending and is even going to lead to the Celtics being sold!

Its not like Taylor is slashing payroll like the Pohlads. The Wolves are clearly trying to find a balance between still having one of the highest payrolls in the league and navigating the apron penalties.

No being a fan of the Wolves is just the sports equivalent of staying in an abusive relationship. Your expectation are warped. The Milwaukee bucks are a smaller market than us. They have increased spending every single year since winning a championship. Eden's has the same net worth as Taylor. There is no excuse for teams cutting money while competing unless they are going to make moves. This move doesn't do that, unless we are cutting even more salary, which will also decrease the chances of winning.

And we're still 10M over the Bucks - and only behind Phoenix this year.

We're projected to be 6th next year - and that's without new deals to Naz and NAW. (Bucks are currently projected to be 8th).

That couldn't possibly be because of deals that started before ours hence being smaller? Right, nah couldn't be.

We are going to cut salary again, and people will praise Glen. Who are the teams that should be praised for cutting costs and decreasing their chances of competing. If you don't want Glen to spend money to win, what would you like him to spend it on?

[Mattya]

2. The wolves aren't projection to spend $295 million, they are projection to spend 207 million next year, they have 20 million less committed next year, but you constantly ignore that fact, because you ignore all facts that are inconvenient.

$207 plus the luxury taxes.

Luxury Tax Calculations on 34,280,273:

First 5.168 million 1.5/1: 7,752,000
2nd 5.168 million 1.75/1: 9.044,000
3rd 5.168 million 2.50/1: 12,920,000
4th 5.168 million 3.25/1: 16,796,000
5th 5.168 million 3.75/1: 19,380,000
6th 5.168 million 4.25/1: 21,964,000
Remaining 3,272,273 @4.75/1: 15,543,296

Total Tax Payments: 103,399,296

Total Outlay Salary + Luxury Taxes: 308,493,569

Okay this is why a said salary, but if you want to be accurate now do their total projected luxury tax payments for next year.

If you want to be accurate, you did not say “salary,” you said “projection.” Removing the huge lux payment from the ownership’s projected costs hides the contribution he is making, or as you say, “ignore all the facts that are inconvenient.”

I guarantee you, paying an extra $100 mil on top of payroll is inconvenient for any owner.

Ah glad we are now to the point where you are going to argue semantics, when I'm clearly talking about salary, while still not providing how much money we save next year.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

I understand the KAT move for 2 reasons :
- KAT never show he could be a Leader to carry the team to a championship. Struggle at PO, injured....
- Save some money

What i dislike about the trade :
- Getting Randle who is not even an expired and paying +/- 30 Millions for a guy who is not fitting with the team.

At the end, i hope TC make a trade before the deadline and take out Randle from the equation.

[minimus]

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If your government owes you something, it means you’re a retiree.
If the owner of your favorite basketball team owes you something, it means you’re a Minnesota Timberwolves fan?