Bulls @ Raptors 6:30pm CT Dec. 16th 2024

[DASMACKDOWN]

Every Patrick Williams minute can, and probably should, be given to Buzelis.

I jokingly called him Eddy Curry cause of the rebound/soft thing, but with this weight he's putting on and the corn rolls, he's really Baby Curry all over again. I appreciate the 2 blocks though.

He looks like a real drag on the team when he's out there.

His offense is trash but defensively, he is twice as good as anyone not named Lonzo Ball.

[sco]

Another win over a depleted opponent that tells us little.

Vuc played well.

Coby frustrates me. His handle is better, but he lacks to speed or craftiness to create separation off the dribble. Defensively the effort is there but he lacks the length to be effective.

Ayo had a low confidence night and shrunk away.

THT was more effective than usual, and he's a bit of a black hole on offense.

Pat is still way out of shape.

Ball was great. Good to see his minutes creeping up. Would be good to get to 26-28 if Giddey misses time. His 3pt range is still off.

Matas getting 13 minutes is kinda nuts.

[Red8911]

Lonzo made a big difference tonight, clearly has the highest IQ on this team,( most players excluding Vuc, Giddey are just dumb) he made the right plays late and hit that the dagger 3 in the end. Good for him, proving all of us wrong who doubted him, who knows how long he ll last though.

Vuc took care of business once again, props to him he’s been great all season and consistent.

Good win without Zach even though it was against one of the worst teams in the league. Hopefully Giddey isn’t out too long.

[Dez]

What happened to Giddey?

[2weekswithpay]

What happened to Giddey?

Rolled his ankle on a closeout.

[Dez]

What happened to Giddey?

Rolled his ankle on a closeout.

I hope he's alright but I must say I'm impressed that he managed to roll his ankle without jumping and basically completely stopped.

[MrSparkle]

As for the tanking folk, this is why when people say, "oh are team is bad enough to keep the top 10", games like this worry me.

Have people not noticed that we are ahead of last years winning pace?

We were 10-17 at this point last season. We are 12-15 after tonight.

Sure we could easily lose the next 5 games. But would it shock you if we win at least 1 of these games?

Cause I look at this like, man Coby has been a train wreck the last like 10 games. Patrick has been out and awful in his return. Zach and Vooch have missed games...and we still keep winning.

So in reality, if Coby and PWill actually start kicking it into gear, its not going to get worse, but better in terms of winning games.

We need to keep our pick.

It's pretty apparent that more of the league is HARD tanking this year, as opposed to last year, where the big payoff was gonna be Holland/Sarr/etc.

Hornets/Raptors/Wizards/Jazz/Pelicans are aggressively losing. Blazers and Nets are supposed to be, and I bet they'll pull some tricks to solidify the tank. Could see Sixers and Spurs going both ways from here; both are good enough to rally for a playoff spot, but SAS is in a really tough conference while PHI has just gotten off to a horrendous start. Still, it would take some strategic injury rest (combined with their actual injury proneness) to keep Embiid/George/Maxey from getting to fringe 500 which is all you need to play a weak Hawks/Pacers/Bulls squad to make the playoffs.

The East is really bad this year. No disrespect to ORL; they're a good defensive team and deep, but these guys have on/off missed their 2 all-stars along with others, and they continue holding a top-4 seed quite comfortably.

So yeah; the gameplan should've been to avoid being above a handful of these teams by January. It looks like we're gonna wobble this Wright Bros plane to a Spurs 12 pick.

[Clint Eastwood]

As for the tanking folk, this is why when people say, "oh are team is bad enough to keep the top 10", games like this worry me.

Have people not noticed that we are ahead of last years winning pace?

We were 10-17 at this point last season. We are 12-15 after tonight.

Sure we could easily lose the next 5 games. But would it shock you if we win at least 1 of these games?

Cause I look at this like, man Coby has been a train wreck the last like 10 games. Patrick has been out and awful in his return. Zach and Vooch have missed games...and we still keep winning.

So in reality, if Coby and PWill actually start kicking it into gear, its not going to get worse, but better in terms of winning games.

We need to keep our pick.

I would put a lot of money on us making at least the playin. No trades of zach or vuc, and no first round pick this year. Its just so obvious. AK may even try to acquire a player at deadline for a run at the playin.

[HearshotKDS]

Actually watched some of this one while changing away from the Bears game in disgust.

[Muzbar]

As for the tanking folk, this is why when people say, "oh are team is bad enough to keep the top 10", games like this worry me.

Have people not noticed that we are ahead of last years winning pace?

We were 10-17 at this point last season. We are 12-15 after tonight.

Sure we could easily lose the next 5 games. But would it shock you if we win at least 1 of these games?

Cause I look at this like, man Coby has been a train wreck the last like 10 games. Patrick has been out and awful in his return. Zach and Vooch have missed games...and we still keep winning.

So in reality, if Coby and PWill actually start kicking it into gear, its not going to get worse, but better in terms of winning games.

We need to keep our pick.

I would put a lot of money on us making at least the playin. No trades of zach or vuc, and no first round pick this year. Its just so obvious. AK may even try to acquire a player at deadline for a run at the playin.

I'm 100% with you Clint.

I'm doubtful AK will make any move, but if he surprises me it'll be a move for a "win now" player.

[Indomitable]

Another win over a depleted opponent that tells us little.

The Bulls were missing Lavine and lost Giddey whoo was the best Bulls player

Vuc played well.

He lost it once Giddey got hurt. He was very frustrated and it effected his play.

Coby frustrates me. His handle is better, but he lacks to speed or craftiness to create separation off the dribble. Defensively the effort is there but he lacks the length to be effective

He is playing like a broke Step Curry. He needs to drive in try to get to the rim.

Ayo had a low confidence night and shrunk away.

Yeah that pass where he got the ball and got rid of it to THT as fast as he could was worrisome.

THT was more effective than usual, and he's a bit of a black hole on offense.

He is a vet minimum. Anything you get from him is gravy

Pat is still way out of shape.

Hey he is trying heal by in creasing his caloric intake

Ball was great. Good to see his minutes creeping up. Would be good to get to 26-28 if Giddey misses time. His 3pt range is still off.

Ball is rushing his shot especially in the first half. He does not trust his ability at finishing in traffic

Matas getting 13 minutes is kinda nuts.

Yeah Billy is choosing between him or Julian and Julian outplayed him

[Indomitable]

As for the tanking folk, this is why when people say, "oh are team is bad enough to keep the top 10", games like this worry me.

Have people not noticed that we are ahead of last years winning pace?

We were 10-17 at this point last season. We are 12-15 after tonight.

Sure we could easily lose the next 5 games. But would it shock you if we win at least 1 of these games?

Cause I look at this like, man Coby has been a train wreck the last like 10 games. Patrick has been out and awful in his return. Zach and Vooch have missed games...and we still keep winning.

So in reality, if Coby and PWill actually start kicking it into gear, its not going to get worse, but better in terms of winning games.

We need to keep our pick.

I would put a lot of money on us making at least the playin. No trades of zach or vuc, and no first round pick this year. Its just so obvious. AK may even try to acquire a player at deadline for a run at the playin.

If AK has not trade all our first round picks we might be able to defend the paint.

[RSP83]

Another win over a depleted opponent that tells us little.

Vuc played well.

Coby frustrates me. His handle is better, but he lacks to speed or craftiness to create separation off the dribble. Defensively the effort is there but he lacks the length to be effective.

Ayo had a low confidence night and shrunk away.

THT was more effective than usual, and he's a bit of a black hole on offense.

Pat is still way out of shape.

Ball was great. Good to see his minutes creeping up. Would be good to get to 26-28 if Giddey misses time. His 3pt range is still off.

Matas getting 13 minutes is kinda nuts.

Coming into the league, I thought Coby is a speedster. After I see Ayo, I realize I'm wrong. As weird as it may sound, Coby is actually closer to a power guard. Coby somehow creates this illusion that he's small, but when you see him standing next to another team's point guard, he's actually noticeably bigger. Almost like when we used to see Derrick Rose standing next to other team's Point Guard. But Coby is closer to 6'5" than 6'3". It's Coby's Gator arms that make him look smaller than he actually is.

I personally feel Coby have reached his ceiling. I really don't see another gear in his development. He's still a solid player though. His improvement should come from improving his efficiency. He's still way too streaky. Also maybe leverage his size and strength to get to the line more. He has the body to be able to absorb contact like DeMar, the difference is DeMar has more length. But still I think Coby can get to the line more.

[erlim]

It’s interesting to note that historically, Pat’s response to any individual challenge like contract years or now losing his place on the depth chart to Buzelis, is simply to roll over, shrink in effort, and fatten as a person.

[Hangtime84]

Another win over a depleted opponent that tells us little.

The Bulls were missing Lavine and lost Giddey whoo was the best Bulls player

Vuc played well.

He lost it once Giddey got hurt. He was very frustrated and it effected his play.

Coby frustrates me. His handle is better, but he lacks to speed or craftiness to create separation off the dribble. Defensively the effort is there but he lacks the length to be effective

He is playing like a broke Step Curry. He needs to drive in try to get to the rim.

Ayo had a low confidence night and shrunk away.

Yeah that pass where he got the ball and got rid of it to THT as fast as he could was worrisome.

THT was more effective than usual, and he's a bit of a black hole on offense.

He is a vet minimum. Anything you get from him is gravy

Pat is still way out of shape.

Hey he is trying heal by in creasing his caloric intake

Ball was great. Good to see his minutes creeping up. Would be good to get to 26-28 if Giddey misses time. His 3pt range is still off.

Ball is rushing his shot especially in the first half. He does not trust his ability at finishing in traffic

Matas getting 13 minutes is kinda nuts.

Yeah Billy is choosing between him or Julian and Julian outplayed him

IMO both are slowly going to overtake Patrick Williams

[MrSparkle]

It’s interesting to note that historically, Pat’s response to any individual challenge like contract years or now losing his place on the depth chart to Buzelis, is simply to roll over, shrink in effort, and fatten as a person.

Also interesting that Bulls challenged themselves by guaranteeing 5y well above the MLE after he shrunk in a contract year.

[sco]

Another win over a depleted opponent that tells us little.

The Bulls were missing Lavine and lost Giddey whoo was the best Bulls player

Vuc played well.

He lost it once Giddey got hurt. He was very frustrated and it effected his play.

Coby frustrates me. His handle is better, but he lacks to speed or craftiness to create separation off the dribble. Defensively the effort is there but he lacks the length to be effective

He is playing like a broke Step Curry. He needs to drive in try to get to the rim.

Ayo had a low confidence night and shrunk away.

Yeah that pass where he got the ball and got rid of it to THT as fast as he could was worrisome.

THT was more effective than usual, and he's a bit of a black hole on offense.

He is a vet minimum. Anything you get from him is gravy

Pat is still way out of shape.

Hey he is trying heal by in creasing his caloric intake

Ball was great. Good to see his minutes creeping up. Would be good to get to 26-28 if Giddey misses time. His 3pt range is still off.

Ball is rushing his shot especially in the first half. He does not trust his ability at finishing in traffic

Matas getting 13 minutes is kinda nuts.

Yeah Billy is choosing between him or Julian and Julian outplayed him

On Coby, I think should shoot more 3's rather than get in the paint. He's just not able to get off shots at the rim or in the paint.

On Pat, I'm giving him some slack on his weight as his aerobic exercise must have been severly limited both during the offseason and with his recent flare up on his foot.

On Ball, he will eventually find his 3pt range, but even pre-injury he was abysmal at shooting anywhere inside the arc...among the worst in the NBA. It was always so odd, but just no touch.

[Guru]

It’s interesting to note that historically, Pat’s response to any individual challenge like contract years or now losing his place on the depth chart to Buzelis, is simply to roll over, shrink in effort, and fatten as a person.

Hes coming off injiry

[sco]

Another win over a depleted opponent that tells us little.

Vuc played well.

Coby frustrates me. His handle is better, but he lacks to speed or craftiness to create separation off the dribble. Defensively the effort is there but he lacks the length to be effective.

Ayo had a low confidence night and shrunk away.

THT was more effective than usual, and he's a bit of a black hole on offense.

Pat is still way out of shape.

Ball was great. Good to see his minutes creeping up. Would be good to get to 26-28 if Giddey misses time. His 3pt range is still off.

Matas getting 13 minutes is kinda nuts.

Coming into the league, I thought Coby is a speedster. After I see Ayo, I realize I'm wrong. As weird as it may sound, Coby is actually closer to a power guard. Coby somehow creates this illusion that he's small, but when you see him standing next to another team's point guard, he's actually noticeably bigger. Almost like when we used to see Derrick Rose standing next to other team's Point Guard. But Coby is closer to 6'5" than 6'3". It's Coby's Gator arms that make him look smaller than he actually is.

I personally feel Coby have reached his ceiling. I really don't see another gear in his development. He's still a solid player though. His improvement should come from improving his efficiency. He's still way too streaky. Also maybe leverage his size and strength to get to the line more. He has the body to be able to absorb contact like DeMar, the difference is DeMar has more length. But still I think Coby can get to the line more.

Yeah, I agree. I think he, like too many Bulls, added too much bulk. They seem to have a Philosophical disconnect with playing with pace. If Coby were to develop a complementary style, it would need to be more CP3 or Brunson and learn better footwork and craftiness.

[Jcool0]

Another win over a depleted opponent that tells us little.

The Bulls were missing Lavine and lost Giddey whoo was the best Bulls player

Vuc played well.

He lost it once Giddey got hurt. He was very frustrated and it effected his play.

Coby frustrates me. His handle is better, but he lacks to speed or craftiness to create separation off the dribble. Defensively the effort is there but he lacks the length to be effective

He is playing like a broke Step Curry. He needs to drive in try to get to the rim.

Ayo had a low confidence night and shrunk away.

Yeah that pass where he got the ball and got rid of it to THT as fast as he could was worrisome.

THT was more effective than usual, and he's a bit of a black hole on offense.

He is a vet minimum. Anything you get from him is gravy

Pat is still way out of shape.

Hey he is trying heal by in creasing his caloric intake

Ball was great. Good to see his minutes creeping up. Would be good to get to 26-28 if Giddey misses time. His 3pt range is still off.

Ball is rushing his shot especially in the first half. He does not trust his ability at finishing in traffic

Matas getting 13 minutes is kinda nuts.

Yeah Billy is choosing between him or Julian and Julian outplayed him

Mata: 7 points 4 rebounds 1 assist 0 TO +7 in 13 minutes

Phillips: 10 points 0 rebounds 0 assists 1 OT -3 in 12 minutes.