Knicks/Magic Post Game - READ POST 1

[WargamesX]

You kill the spacing, clog up the paint, and expedite Mitch’s journey to surgeon’s office. Let’s put the twin towers fantasies to bed.

Let Mitch play the dunker’s spot
We need to defense to win too
KAT at the 5 isn’t going to win us a ring

KAT at the 5 is not the problem on defense. The scheme is. He's got the best D-rtg on the team btw. Followed by Hart and then OG. We can play Mitch next to him for stretches too because we shoot 40% from 3. KAT doesn't need to operate in paint. He will stretch the floor.

Previous years we had the most inefficient shooters around him so him being in the paint was a problem. Randle and RJ sucked the life out of our offense and they both sucked on defense.

We need an insurance policy for Mitch and a wing Thibs will trust. Then we work them in and we should be fine.

It is a combination of defense and rebounding that makes Mitch vital. Also no one is saying Kat shouldn't play the five and I could see him doing that for 20-30 minutes per game, but Mitch at the 5 and KaT at the 4 would really help the knicks issues against teams that use double bigs and teams that have attacking PGs. When a team like Cleveland has both of those are are killing the league right now, Mitch looks even better as a player to keep. Also guys like Trae, Ja, and Kyrie are out there and there teams knows if they can win the rebounding battle they'll probably beat the knicks since we can't use drop coverage to slow down their PG.

[3toheadmelo]

JVG was not talking only about an isolated incident, but a whole history of behavior.

He is clearly saying whatever went down with Aggo is not exclusive to them, but applies to ALL OF US.

Have a nice day

Please stop quoting me as I’ve repeatedly told you over the past couple of years and you still do for some reason. You crossed the line when you made claims about what I do for a living and how I should treat people based on your assumption on what I do.

That's only your rule.

JVG was talking about the board's rules.

Have a nice day.

Why do you harass people when they want nothing to do with you?

[KnixinSix]

Let Mitch play the dunker’s spot
We need to defense to win too
KAT at the 5 isn’t going to win us a ring

KAT at the 5 is not the problem on defense. The scheme is. He's got the best D-rtg on the team btw. Followed by Hart and then OG. We can play Mitch next to him for stretches too because we shoot 40% from 3. KAT doesn't need to operate in paint. He will stretch the floor.

Previous years we had the most inefficient shooters around him so him being in the paint was a problem. Randle and RJ sucked the life out of our offense and they both sucked on defense.

We need an insurance policy for Mitch and a wing Thibs will trust. Then we work them in and we should be fine.

It is a combination of defense and rebounding that makes Mitch vital. Also no one is saying Kat shouldn't play the five and I could see him doing that for 20-30 minutes per game, but Mitch at the 5 and KaT at the 4 would really help the knicks issues against teams that use double bigs and teams that have attacking PGs. When a team like Cleveland has both of those are are killing the league right now, Mitch looks even better as a player to keep. Also guys like Trae, Ja, and Kyrie are out there and there teams knows if they can win the rebounding battle they'll probably beat the knicks since we can't use drop coverage to slow down their PG.

+1000.

This is essentially why not only do we want Mitch back but ideally should add another veteran 5 to the roster if at all possible. Mitch was getting DPOY consideration by many before he got hurt again bc of not just how good he is but also how important that kind of 5 is to a Thibs team. However he is an injury prone risk even when he returns. We definitely don't have assets to trade like before but we do have some. Almost definitely enough to pull off aNick Richards and possibly enough to pull off a Kessler.

[thebuzzardman]

some of you are such normies that you can't understand tongue in cheek or out of the box humor and now we're being forced to have boring conversations. thanks!

Yep. Iykyk

i see the self awarewolves are out this morning. ok. cool.

the mod team receives messages on a too regular basis about the decreased usability of this forum because of the incessant trolling, dunk attempts, and general bad faith conversation. and i'm sure for every one of those kinds of messages we get, several members just lose interest and stop participating. this is not the culture or the forum we want.

i think it's safe to say the NYK RGM mod team has provided easily the most laissez-faire forum environment on RealGM. but this has been the result.

some of you lob troll grenades. some of you post unhinged vitriolic rants several times per day. all of it takes away from the quality of the forum.

the split on talking ball, joking, and trolling has gone too far into a trolling ouroburos. and the participants will always just point the finger. at this point, the mod team is not interested in finding patient zero for trolling or some of your perceptions on who needs to "take jokes better." the inside jokes among members we know are kidding each other is one thing. the posts that are clearly meant to get a rise out of whoever broadly are another. it's childish and we've done better.

the trolling playbook of casting stones and hiding behind "jokes" needs to stop.

lastly, aggo is not a martyr. the playbook of using them (and other banned posters) to prop up a culture and posting approach we are trying to moderate feels in bad faith. yes, aggo will be gone for a while. and, to be real, a break might not be the worst thing in the world for some others. for those who don't get the hint, we can and will help.

a few of you are backseat moderating right now, and despite what may be good intentions, i assure it's not helpful. i ask that you stop that as well.

In no way could that be me

[thebuzzardman]

This forum gonna be a ghost town

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[cgmw]

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I got a lot of crap all year about us not having a bench. What's the big deal? THIS is the big deal! People get their balls busted for being minutes police. Here's the damn problem we all have! Thibs is a maniac!!

I anxiously await a FULL bench and healthy starting 5 to see exactly what we are as a team. No excuses for how Thibs runs the players into the ground but, just get everyone healthy at the same time and let's rock!

If healthy: Payne, Deuce, Shamet, Precious, and Mitch is a fine NBA bench unit. Problem is IDK if there’s an assistant on the bench or an executive upstairs who can convince Thibs to play them.

We know for sure he’ll only play two, maybe three bench players for the playoff push which requires our starters to stay healthy for an additional 16 wins and likely 10+ additional losses to win a title.

[Clyde_Style]

Please stop quoting me as I’ve repeatedly told you over the past couple of years and you still do for some reason. You crossed the line when you made claims about what I do for a living and how I should treat people based on your assumption on what I do.

That's only your rule.

JVG was talking about the board's rules.

Have a nice day.

Why do you harass people when they want nothing to do with you?

Clearly, your definition of harassment differs from the majority of the board

[cgmw]

Re: quality of this forum:

My observation from 23 years of reading and contributing to this nonsense is that the lifeblood of this forum has ALWAYS been the recess schoolyard trash talk directed toward members vaguely “choosing sides” with one another. Team this vs Team that bullsh*t nonsense, which IMO was inevitably going to metastasize into cancer without fresh blood in the forum. Problem is, we’re stuck with each other because who even uses message boards any more?

Anyway, I support the mods here 100% with the one gentle amendment that Sham should always be allowed to call Melo fat.

[robillionaire]

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I got a lot of crap all year about us not having a bench. What's the big deal? THIS is the big deal! People get their balls busted for being minutes police. Here's the damn problem we all have! Thibs is a maniac!!

I anxiously await a FULL bench and healthy starting 5 to see exactly what we are as a team. No excuses for how Thibs runs the players into the ground but, just get everyone healthy at the same time and let's rock!

If healthy: Payne, Deuce, Shamet, Precious, and Mitch is a fine NBA bench unit. Problem is IDK if there’s an assistant on the bench or an executive upstairs who can convince Thibs to play them.

We know for sure he’ll only play two, maybe three bench players for the playoff push which requires our starters to stay healthy for an additional 16 wins and likely 10+ additional losses to win a title.

I would say a below average bench even if all healthy which they haven’t been, Mitch and Shamet have missed the entire season, precious most of the season, Payne and McBride several games each. Even if healthy the shooting would be bad with Mitch and Precious on the court

I would trade off someone for a more reliable and trustworthy backup scoring option

[DaGawd]

stop trying to dunk on each other and come together knicks family!

[thebuzzardman]

I think the Knicks are about to go on a record winning streak, one free of issues, injuries or poor play. The coaching will be spectacular, the defense stifling and the offense a well oiled machine.

[3toheadmelo]

That's only your rule.

JVG was talking about the board's rules.

Have a nice day.

Why do you harass people when they want nothing to do with you?

Clearly, your definition of harassment differs from the majority of the board

Actually not at all. You have no idea how much people have DM’d me about how you keep harassing us and them.

[robillionaire]

I think the Knicks are about to go on a record winning streak, one free of issues, injuries or poor play. The coaching will be spectacular, the defense stifling and the offense a well oiled machine.

I agree Buzz. They will go on a historic win streak, due in no small part to your unrelenting optimism. Thank you for being a model citizen. Everyone please follow this man’s good example. Please, repeat after me: SEVENTY. TWO. AND. TEN.

GO NEW YORK GO NEW YORK GO

[MrDollarBills]

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I got a lot of crap all year about us not having a bench. What's the big deal? THIS is the big deal! People get their balls busted for being minutes police. Here's the damn problem we all have! Thibs is a maniac!!

I anxiously await a FULL bench and healthy starting 5 to see exactly what we are as a team. No excuses for how Thibs runs the players into the ground but, just get everyone healthy at the same time and let's rock!

If healthy: Payne, Deuce, Shamet, Precious, and Mitch is a fine NBA bench unit. Problem is IDK if there’s an assistant on the bench or an executive upstairs who can convince Thibs to play them.

We know for sure he’ll only play two, maybe three bench players for the playoff push which requires our starters to stay healthy for an additional 16 wins and likely 10+ additional losses to win a title.

There will be enough talent to yield a 9 to 10 man rotation from now til April.

Thibs needs to be reminded of what the objective is here.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Let Mitch play the dunker’s spot
We need to defense to win too
KAT at the 5 isn’t going to win us a ring

KAT at the 5 is not the problem on defense. The scheme is. He's got the best D-rtg on the team btw. Followed by Hart and then OG. We can play Mitch next to him for stretches too because we shoot 40% from 3. KAT doesn't need to operate in paint. He will stretch the floor.

Previous years we had the most inefficient shooters around him so him being in the paint was a problem. Randle and RJ sucked the life out of our offense and they both sucked on defense.

We need an insurance policy for Mitch and a wing Thibs will trust. Then we work them in and we should be fine.

It is a combination of defense and rebounding that makes Mitch vital. Also no one is saying Kat shouldn't play the five and I could see him doing that for 20-30 minutes per game, but Mitch at the 5 and KaT at the 4 would really help the knicks issues against teams that use double bigs and teams that have attacking PGs. When a team like Cleveland has both of those are are killing the league right now, Mitch looks even better as a player to keep. Also guys like Trae, Ja, and Kyrie are out there and there teams knows if they can win the rebounding battle they'll probably beat the knicks since we can't use drop coverage to slow down their PG.

Ummm...yeah they did. See the post above mine for just ONE example. A lot of people have said as much. I agree with the rest obviously. I said as much basically.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I think the Knicks are about to go on a record winning streak, one free of issues, injuries or poor play. The coaching will be spectacular, the defense stifling and the offense a well oiled machine.

Jesus

[Jalen Bluntson]

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I got a lot of crap all year about us not having a bench. What's the big deal? THIS is the big deal! People get their balls busted for being minutes police. Here's the damn problem we all have! Thibs is a maniac!!

I anxiously await a FULL bench and healthy starting 5 to see exactly what we are as a team. No excuses for how Thibs runs the players into the ground but, just get everyone healthy at the same time and let's rock!

If healthy: Payne, Deuce, Shamet, Precious, and Mitch is a fine NBA bench unit. Problem is IDK if there’s an assistant on the bench or an executive upstairs who can convince Thibs to play them.

We know for sure he’ll only play two, maybe three bench players for the playoff push which requires our starters to stay healthy for an additional 16 wins and likely 10+ additional losses to win a title.

I would say a below average bench even if all healthy which they haven’t been, Mitch and Shamet have missed the entire season, precious most of the season, Payne and McBride several games each. Even if healthy the shooting would be bad with Mitch and Precious on the court

I would trade off someone for a more reliable and trustworthy backup scoring option

Payne/Deuce/Shamet/Precious/MITCH is not a below average bench IMO. 2-3 of those could spot start and Mitch WAS a starter. You have scoring/scoring and defense/scoring and defense/defense/defense. I would love to upgrade Payne and Shamet and have a healthy version of Mitch if we can find one. We also need an insurance policy for Mitch while he is here that Thibs will play either way.

It's not gonna be a hockey line change. You stagger your bench and work match ups and offense vs defense. Fully healthy we have plenty of talent to keep from having to play guys 40 minutes a night. We have played the least bench minutes in the league in NINETEEN years! We would be far more versatile than playing Payne 10 minutes/Deuce 25/Sims 10 minutes like we were.

[Spree2Houston]

Society as a whole has become desensitized since Covid. People are more pessimistic nowadays and it’s reflected on these boards with the way people interact with each other.

[robillionaire]

If healthy: Payne, Deuce, Shamet, Precious, and Mitch is a fine NBA bench unit. Problem is IDK if there’s an assistant on the bench or an executive upstairs who can convince Thibs to play them.

We know for sure he’ll only play two, maybe three bench players for the playoff push which requires our starters to stay healthy for an additional 16 wins and likely 10+ additional losses to win a title.

I would say a below average bench even if all healthy which they haven’t been, Mitch and Shamet have missed the entire season, precious most of the season, Payne and McBride several games each. Even if healthy the shooting would be bad with Mitch and Precious on the court

I would trade off someone for a more reliable and trustworthy backup scoring option

Payne/Deuce/Shamet/Precious/MITCH is not a below average bench IMO. 2-3 of those could spot start and Mitch WAS a starter. You have scoring/scoring and defense/scoring and defense/defense/defense. I would love to upgrade Payne and Shamet and have a healthy version of Mitch if we can find one. We also need an insurance policy for Mitch while he is here that Thibs will play either way.

It's not gonna be a hockey line change. You stagger your bench and work match ups and offense vs defense. Fully healthy we have plenty of talent to keep from having to play guys 40 minutes a night. We have played the least bench minutes in the league in NINETEEN years! We would be far more versatile than playing Payne 10 minutes/Deuce 25/Sims 10 minutes like we were.

Yeah I just don’t agree man sorry. Payne Shamet and Precious are journeymen on 1 year deals who aren’t very effective nba players. McBride and Mitch are solid players but Mitch has not been reliable to play in his career. McBride is really our only consistent and reliable bench piece. Not even gonna bring up those rookies. I think we need an upgrade or consolidation

[thebuzzardman]

I think the Knicks are about to go on a record winning streak, one free of issues, injuries or poor play. The coaching will be spectacular, the defense stifling and the offense a well oiled machine.

Jesus

Something something one word snark is ruining the board something something