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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#1501 » by KnixinSix » Tue Dec 17, 2024 2:57 am

JayTWill wrote:
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JayTWill wrote:The last time I checked Hornet's fans seemed to think Richards was a low IQ defender that chased blocks.

Watching him play Sixers right now.

Could Thibs and Mark Bryant work with his shotblocking?


I was wondering the same thing. Hornets fans seemed to love him until they saw more of him when Williams went down last year. Many of them were complaining about him being out of position defensively too often. I don't see enough of him to have a strong opinion. I do remember he was one of the league leaders in goaltends at some point with 20% of his block attempts being goaltends.

I kind of feel like we could get similar results from Hukporti since he basically jumps at everything too but i'm not sure how much of a good or a bad thing that is yet. At this point I just want extra bodies that Thibs might actually play and i'm open to breaking up Mitch's contract into more depth but Mitch might need to show a pulse first to have some trade value.


This is why Kessler is obviously the better get of the two. But will Ainge take our offer even if we overpay a bit?
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#1502 » by JayTWill » Tue Dec 17, 2024 3:11 am

KnixinSix wrote:
JayTWill wrote:
WaltFrazier wrote:Watching him play Sixers right now.

Could Thibs and Mark Bryant work with his shotblocking?


I was wondering the same thing. Hornets fans seemed to love him until they saw more of him when Williams went down last year. Many of them were complaining about him being out of position defensively too often. I don't see enough of him to have a strong opinion. I do remember he was one of the league leaders in goaltends at some point with 20% of his block attempts being goaltends.

I kind of feel like we could get similar results from Hukporti since he basically jumps at everything too but i'm not sure how much of a good or a bad thing that is yet. At this point I just want extra bodies that Thibs might actually play and i'm open to breaking up Mitch's contract into more depth but Mitch might need to show a pulse first to have some trade value.


This is why Kessler is obviously the better get of the two. But will Ainge take our offer even if we overpay a bit?


What motivation does Utah have to deal a young quality starting big with another year and a half left on a cheap deal before restricted free agency while he is averaging 11 points, 11 rebounds and 3 blocks in 30 minutes with great efficiency? What are the chances that anything the Knicks offer the Jazz becomes as impactful as Kessler?

He is not too old for the rebuild. He is not inhibiting their tank and they don't have any cap issues to worry about in the present time.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#1503 » by Jalen Bluntson » Tue Dec 17, 2024 3:55 am

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KnixinSix wrote:
JayTWill wrote:
I was wondering the same thing. Hornets fans seemed to love him until they saw more of him when Williams went down last year. Many of them were complaining about him being out of position defensively too often. I don't see enough of him to have a strong opinion. I do remember he was one of the league leaders in goaltends at some point with 20% of his block attempts being goaltends.

I kind of feel like we could get similar results from Hukporti since he basically jumps at everything too but i'm not sure how much of a good or a bad thing that is yet. At this point I just want extra bodies that Thibs might actually play and i'm open to breaking up Mitch's contract into more depth but Mitch might need to show a pulse first to have some trade value.


This is why Kessler is obviously the better get of the two. But will Ainge take our offer even if we overpay a bit?


What motivation does Utah have to deal a young quality starting big with another year and half left on a cheap deal before restricted free agency while he is averaging 11 points, 11 rebounds and 3 blocks in 30 minutes with great efficiency? What are the chances that anything the Knicks offer the Jazz becomes as impactful as Kessler?

He is not too old for the rebuild. He is not inhibiting their tank and they don't have any cap issues to worry about in the present time.


They have zero reason to trade Kessler for what we can give them. Ainge isn't Steve Mills. This trade is 99.9% dead on arrival. The only reason I leave that.01% up there is because Leon has done this before.

I would love to know if other potential targets besides Kessler/Richards that we could/should go after. Richards just doesn't jump off the screen as a player we need whenever I have seen him play. Nick Richards may be an insurance move but, at $5mil we would be hard pressed to find a deal outside of Precious for Richards as the main package. I would rather keep Precious.

We have been rumored to have interest in Steven Adams but, that trade would have to involve Mitch because Adams makes $12.6mil and it's the last year of his deal. What do we do next year? Lose the salary slot that Mitch would have because we will be OTC? Not a good idea at all.

Jonas? Not known for his defense. His salary is also an issue.

What else is out there? Diving into these trades leads me to believe we are going to definitely take the huge risk of Mitch staying healthy for the season once he returns. The question pivots to what CHEAP insurance options are out there or, who do we trade Mitch for? These Kessler/Richards/Adams/Jonas rumors seem like a waste of time even discussing at this point.

Edit: unless Utah wants salary relief next year and would take Mitch/Sims for Clarkson/Kessler? Mitch/Precious//filler for Sexton/Kessler? Still seems unlikely but, those trades would kinda make sense for both teams. Except we only have the one "first Rd" pick to send out.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#1504 » by Richard4444 » Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:08 am

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Jeffrey wrote:The best move is probably signing Ben Simmons if he gets bought out.

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We can't sign him if he's bought out since we're a first apron team and he makes more than $12.9 million


When we're finally good.. nba decides to put handcuffs.


We have bad luck. When we finally tanked from the beginning of the season and became the worst team in the NBA, the odds of getting the first pick in the draft decreased.
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Post#1505 » by Jalen Bluntson » Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:48 am

Richard4444 wrote:
Jeffrey wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

We can't sign him if he's bought out since we're a first apron team and he makes more than $12.9 million


When we're finally good.. nba decides to put handcuffs.


We have bad luck. When we finally tanked from the beginning of the season and became the worst team in the NBA, the odds of getting the first pick in the draft decreased.


IIRC you're one of the better cap guys around here. I posted a question in the Shamet thread about when we can sign him. I believe we cannot afford to sign him to the vet minimum until Feb 26th. Since he is not signed currently can we bring him back on a two way or some kind of exhibit deal until then without hurting the cap?
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Post#1506 » by Richard4444 » Tue Dec 17, 2024 5:51 am

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Richard4444 wrote:
Jeffrey wrote:
When we're finally good.. nba decides to put handcuffs.


We have bad luck. When we finally tanked from the beginning of the season and became the worst team in the NBA, the odds of getting the first pick in the draft decreased.


IIRC you're one of the better cap guys around here. I posted a question in the Shamet thread about when we can sign him. I believe we cannot afford to sign him to the vet minimum until Feb 26th. Since he is not signed currently can we bring him back on a two way or some kind of exhibit deal until then without hurting the cap?


I don't think so. 10 days deals cost us money against the cap we do not have. And players with more than three years in the NBA can not get two-way deals. I think Exibition contracts only do not count cap before the beginning of the season.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#1507 » by Jalen Bluntson » Tue Dec 17, 2024 5:57 am

Richard4444 wrote:
Jalen Bluntson wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:
We have bad luck. When we finally tanked from the beginning of the season and became the worst team in the NBA, the odds of getting the first pick in the draft decreased.


IIRC you're one of the better cap guys around here. I posted a question in the Shamet thread about when we can sign him. I believe we cannot afford to sign him to the vet minimum until Feb 26th. Since he is not signed currently can we bring him back on a two way or some kind of exhibit deal until then without hurting the cap?


I don't think so. Exhibition deals cost us money against the cap that we do not have. And players with more than three years in the NBA can not get two-way deals.


Is there any way we can sign Shamet before Feb 26th without going over the apron?
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Post#1508 » by Richard4444 » Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:00 am

Jalen Bluntson wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:
Jalen Bluntson wrote:
IIRC you're one of the better cap guys around here. I posted a question in the Shamet thread about when we can sign him. I believe we cannot afford to sign him to the vet minimum until Feb 26th. Since he is not signed currently can we bring him back on a two way or some kind of exhibit deal until then without hurting the cap?


I don't think so. Exhibition deals cost us money against the cap that we do not have. And players with more than three years in the NBA can not get two-way deals.


Is there any way we can sign Shamet before Feb 26th without going over the apron?


I don't think so. Otherwise, we have signed someone already.

I am not sure if the Feb 26th is the specific date (I am not sure how to calculate the date exactly) but its around this date.
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Post#1509 » by KnixinSix » Tue Dec 17, 2024 1:52 pm

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JayTWill wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
This is why Kessler is obviously the better get of the two. But will Ainge take our offer even if we overpay a bit?


What motivation does Utah have to deal a young quality starting big with another year and half left on a cheap deal before restricted free agency while he is averaging 11 points, 11 rebounds and 3 blocks in 30 minutes with great efficiency? What are the chances that anything the Knicks offer the Jazz becomes as impactful as Kessler?

He is not too old for the rebuild. He is not inhibiting their tank and they don't have any cap issues to worry about in the present time.


They have zero reason to trade Kessler for what we can give them. Ainge isn't Steve Mills. This trade is 99.9% dead on arrival. The only reason I leave that.01% up there is because Leon has done this before.

I would love to know if other potential targets besides Kessler/Richards that we could/should go after. Richards just doesn't jump off the screen as a player we need whenever I have seen him play. Nick Richards may be an insurance move but, at $5mil we would be hard pressed to find a deal outside of Precious for Richards as the main package. I would rather keep Precious.

We have been rumored to have interest in Steven Adams but, that trade would have to involve Mitch because Adams makes $12.6mil and it's the last year of his deal. What do we do next year? Lose the salary slot that Mitch would have because we will be OTC? Not a good idea at all.

Jonas? Not known for his defense. His salary is also an issue.

What else is out there? Diving into these trades leads me to believe we are going to definitely take the huge risk of Mitch staying healthy for the season once he returns. The question pivots to what CHEAP insurance options are out there or, who do we trade Mitch for? These Kessler/Richards/Adams/Jonas rumors seem like a waste of time even discussing at this point.

Edit: unless Utah wants salary relief next year and would take Mitch/Sims for Clarkson/Kessler? Mitch/Precious//filler for Sexton/Kessler? Still seems unlikely but, those trades would kinda make sense for both teams. Except we only have the one "first Rd" pick to send out.


I mean I don't think Dadiet and Kolek are just run of the mill outside of the lottery picks.

We have shown with Quickley etc we can absolutely find late pick gems.

I think a Dadiet who Ainge brought in for a pre draft workout and Kolek who has shown special court vision and passing as a rookie could easily have value to Ainge. Combine 1 or both with a couple picks and Ainge might consider it. They have more years of cost control than Kessler too.
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Post#1510 » by dakomish23 » Tue Dec 17, 2024 3:45 pm

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Post#1511 » by Jalen Bluntson » Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:07 pm

KnixinSix wrote:
Jalen Bluntson wrote:
JayTWill wrote:
What motivation does Utah have to deal a young quality starting big with another year and half left on a cheap deal before restricted free agency while he is averaging 11 points, 11 rebounds and 3 blocks in 30 minutes with great efficiency? What are the chances that anything the Knicks offer the Jazz becomes as impactful as Kessler?

He is not too old for the rebuild. He is not inhibiting their tank and they don't have any cap issues to worry about in the present time.


They have zero reason to trade Kessler for what we can give them. Ainge isn't Steve Mills. This trade is 99.9% dead on arrival. The only reason I leave that.01% up there is because Leon has done this before.

I would love to know if other potential targets besides Kessler/Richards that we could/should go after. Richards just doesn't jump off the screen as a player we need whenever I have seen him play. Nick Richards may be an insurance move but, at $5mil we would be hard pressed to find a deal outside of Precious for Richards as the main package. I would rather keep Precious.

We have been rumored to have interest in Steven Adams but, that trade would have to involve Mitch because Adams makes $12.6mil and it's the last year of his deal. What do we do next year? Lose the salary slot that Mitch would have because we will be OTC? Not a good idea at all.

Jonas? Not known for his defense. His salary is also an issue.

What else is out there? Diving into these trades leads me to believe we are going to definitely take the huge risk of Mitch staying healthy for the season once he returns. The question pivots to what CHEAP insurance options are out there or, who do we trade Mitch for? These Kessler/Richards/Adams/Jonas rumors seem like a waste of time even discussing at this point.

Edit: unless Utah wants salary relief next year and would take Mitch/Sims for Clarkson/Kessler? Mitch/Precious//filler for Sexton/Kessler? Still seems unlikely but, those trades would kinda make sense for both teams. Except we only have the one "first Rd" pick to send out.


I mean I don't think Dadiet and Kolek are just run of the mill outside of the lottery picks.

We have shown with Quickley etc we can absolutely find late pick gems.

I think a Dadiet who Ainge brought in for a pre draft workout and Kolek who has shown special court vision and passing as a rookie could easily have value to Ainge. Combine 1 or both with a couple picks and Ainge might consider it. They have more years of cost control than Kessler too.


I left that .01% chance but, Ainge hates us and he is gonna use us as leverage if we engage and the media gets hold of it. Just like he did with Mitchell.

I trust Leon but other than Kessler I really don't like any of the other names we are linked to. I am just gonna hope Mitch stays healthy and Shamet comes back healthy. I'll let the trade market do what it does. Leon has done a good job with getting the players we need to contend so, do it again bro! Trusting Mitch is a high risk/reward move on steroids. looking forward to seeing him play though.
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Post#1512 » by G_K_F » Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:29 pm

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Warm up the trade machine, boys


Anyone outside of those guys is either useless or makes too much money to acquire.

Like McCollum would be a nice fit here off the bench but he makes $33 million.
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Post#1513 » by dakomish23 » Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:34 pm

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dakomish23 wrote:
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Warm up the trade machine, boys


Anyone outside of those guys is either useless or makes too much money to acquire.

Like McCollum would be a nice fit here off the bench but he makes $33 million.


Oh they're going to trade those other guys too. This posturing is just b/c those guys will garner the most value
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Post#1514 » by G_K_F » Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:51 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
Hes_On_Fire wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Read on Twitter


Warm up the trade machine, boys


Anyone outside of those guys is either useless or makes too much money to acquire.

Like McCollum would be a nice fit here off the bench but he makes $33 million.


Oh they're going to trade those other guys too. This posturing is just b/c those guys will garner the most value


This isn't completely on topic but we really have little to no way to improve this season with the way the cap rules are set up.

We'll need to wait till the offseason for a real, marked improvement to the roster.
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Post#1515 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Dec 17, 2024 5:20 pm

Any team chuck full of young small forwards that desperately needs a backup center with lots of hops but not so much skills?

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Post#1516 » by KnixinSix » Tue Dec 17, 2024 5:35 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
Hes_On_Fire wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Read on Twitter


Warm up the trade machine, boys


Anyone outside of those guys is either useless or makes too much money to acquire.

Like McCollum would be a nice fit here off the bench but he makes $33 million.


Oh they're going to trade those other guys too. This posturing is just b/c those guys will garner the most value


https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/Knicks/20/draft-picks

Detroit pick has value.
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Post#1517 » by robillionaire » Tue Dec 17, 2024 5:54 pm

KnixinSix wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Hes_On_Fire wrote:
Anyone outside of those guys is either useless or makes too much money to acquire.

Like McCollum would be a nice fit here off the bench but he makes $33 million.


Oh they're going to trade those other guys too. This posturing is just b/c those guys will garner the most value


https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/Knicks/20/draft-picks

Detroit pick has value.


We traded that pick to the Timberwolves in the towns trade idk what fanspo is on
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Post#1518 » by douggood » Tue Dec 17, 2024 5:59 pm

robillionaire wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Oh they're going to trade those other guys too. This posturing is just b/c those guys will garner the most value


https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/Knicks/20/draft-picks

Detroit pick has value.


We traded that pick to the Timberwolves in the towns trade idk what fanspo is on

realgm has a better list
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/team
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Post#1519 » by douggood » Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:08 pm

Hes_On_Fire wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Hes_On_Fire wrote:
Anyone outside of those guys is either useless or makes too much money to acquire.

Like McCollum would be a nice fit here off the bench but he makes $33 million.


Oh they're going to trade those other guys too. This posturing is just b/c those guys will garner the most value


This isn't completely on topic but we really have little to no way to improve this season with the way the cap rules are set up.

We'll need to wait till the offseason for a real, marked improvement to the roster.

then the new rules make it hard to improve roster in the offseason as well. knicks are an expensive team and nba put in so many roadblocks to improve team. only way really is to sign achiuwa to a balloon payment salary and then trade for a smaller salary, see what the suns did with royce oneal, okogie etc

knicks projected to be in second apron. so cannot
- use any MLE, cannot use BAE, cannot send cash, cannot aggregate players, cannot do s&t
plus the knicks 2032 first rounder gets locked and cannot be traded.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#1520 » by Richard4444 » Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:44 pm

douggood wrote:
Hes_On_Fire wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Oh they're going to trade those other guys too. This posturing is just b/c those guys will garner the most value


This isn't completely on topic but we really have little to no way to improve this season with the way the cap rules are set up.

We'll need to wait till the offseason for a real, marked improvement to the roster.

then the new rules make it hard to improve roster in the offseason as well. knicks are an expensive team and nba put in so many roadblocks to improve team. only way really is to sign achiuwa to a balloon payment salary and then trade for a smaller salary, see what the suns did with royce oneal, okogie etc

knicks projected to be in second apron. so cannot
- use any MLE, cannot use BAE, cannot send cash, cannot aggregate players, cannot do s&t
plus the knicks 2032 first rounder gets locked and cannot be traded.


Knicks can give up Precious or give him a minimum salary to keep under the second apron next season. I don't know if it is the best idea to begin another season saving cents to stay under the apron.
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