Change My View: The Bubble championship is the most pure championship ever

[MavsDirk41]

If he isn’t then who is? LeBron’s elimination game performances are basically on a mountain compared to everyone else’s.

And the most playoff buzzer beaters was to prove a point regarding him being a known choke artist, which is obviously a false statement. If I’m comparing him vs Jordan, I’d still say Jordan’s more clutch. But not being more clutch than Jordan doesn’t mean you aren’t clutch in general.

Im not saying James isnt clutch or a great elimination game performer, although his performance in the 4th quarters of the 2011 finals was very poor, but im not taking him over Jordan in either scenario.

That’s fine, truth be told it doesn’t really matter who you prefer. It’s perfectly logical to prefer Jordan, he’s done more than enough to give you valid reasons to do so. But at this point for people to still try to claim that LeBron is a playoff choker? You are straight lying, which is what the other guy is doing.

Fair enough..

[Djoker]

It is as pure as any other championship. Lakers won fair and square and they deserved it. Wish Utah did it but the Donovan/Gobert duo was too busy losing leads in series that they shouldn't. Oh well.

This. It's as pure as any other championship. No asterisk or anything like that.

They faced weak opposition to win it but a lot of other teams did as well.

Im not saying it shouldn’t count but how in the world is it more “pure” than Boston winning the championship six months ago?

- played 82 regular season games and then started the playoffs without a 4 month break
- traveled
- played in front of fans instead of empty gyms

All I'm saying is that it counts like every other championship.

2024 Boston is obviously a more impressive run but that's a different conversation. Nothing to do with purity.

[MavsDirk41]

This. It's as pure as any other championship. No asterisk or anything like that.

They faced weak opposition to win it but a lot of other teams did as well.

Im not saying it shouldn’t count but how in the world is it more “pure” than Boston winning the championship six months ago?

- played 82 regular season games and then started the playoffs without a 4 month break
- traveled
- played in front of fans instead of empty gyms

All I'm saying is that it counts like every other championship.

2024 Boston is obviously a more impressive run but that's a different conversation. Nothing to do with purity.

Ok we are on the same page. I just think its less impressive than a normal season/post season.

[binjumper]

Watch on YouTube

[MrPainfulTruth]

I dont know what a "pure" championship is, but this one is, individually, the most impressive i have personally watched:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H-7YI56MdHk

Just looking at how little help he had and who he had to overcome, i dont think there is any debate this beats any other ring of the 2000's by a mile.

[Iwasawitness]

I dont know what a "pure" championship is, but this one is, individually, the most impressive i have personally watched:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H-7YI56MdHk

Just looking at how little help he had and who he had to overcome, i dont think there is any debate this beats any other ring of the 2000's by a mile.

Dirk had a better team and had Miami’s number that year. 2016 pretty easily beats this one.

[Bergmaniac]

The claim that LeBron never participating in the dunk contest somehow proves that he couldn't deal with presure is one of the funniest things I've read on this board.

[Iwasawitness]

The claim that LeBron never participating in the dunk contest somehow proves that he couldn't deal with presure is one of the funniest things I've read on this board.

Wait who said that?

[Bergmaniac]

The claim that LeBron never participating in the dunk contest somehow proves that he couldn't deal with presure is one of the funniest things I've read on this board.

Wait who said that?

From 2 pages back:

In a nutshell, his refusal to ever compete on his own in the dunk contest is like a magnifying glass on that weakness - as you said, shrinking under pressure. Of course his stans will find excuses even for that, although you will struggle to find a single all time great who thrived on athleticism and didnt once participate.

[Iwasawitness]

Spoiler:

The claim that LeBron never participating in the dunk contest somehow proves that he couldn't deal with presure is one of the funniest things I've read on this board.

Wait who said that?

From 2 pages back:

In a nutshell, his refusal to ever compete on his own in the dunk contest is like a magnifying glass on that weakness - as you said, shrinking under pressure. Of course his stans will find excuses even for that, although you will struggle to find a single all time great who thrived on athleticism and didnt once participate.

Of course it’s the same guy who claims LeBron is a choke artist in the playoffs. You know what? Screw it, I’m unblocking him. I want to see what other stupid **** he’ll say on a regular basis.

Stop personally attacking one poster.

[ScrantonBulls]

The claim that LeBron never participating in the dunk contest somehow proves that he couldn't deal with presure is one of the funniest things I've read on this board.

Wait who said that?

From 2 pages back:

In a nutshell, his refusal to ever compete on his own in the dunk contest is like a magnifying glass on that weakness - as you said, shrinking under pressure. Of course his stans will find excuses even for that, although you will struggle to find a single all time great who thrived on athleticism and didnt once participate.

The guy is a troll/satire account. He's basically playing a slightly more extreme version of bledredwine. His schtick is having a deranged negative obsession with LeBron.

[ScrantonBulls]

Wait who said that?

From 2 pages back:

In a nutshell, his refusal to ever compete on his own in the dunk contest is like a magnifying glass on that weakness - as you said, shrinking under pressure. Of course his stans will find excuses even for that, although you will struggle to find a single all time great who thrived on athleticism and didnt once participate.

Of course it’s the same guy who claims LeBron is a choke artist in the playoffs. You know what? Screw it, I’m unblocking him. I want to see what other stupid **** he’ll say on a regular basis.

You're missing out on some good stuff in the GOAT thread.

[Darthlukey]

The reasoning is simple. The playing field was dead even every game. Neither team had home court. Home court advantage is a REAL thing. The odds show it. That could be because of the gone team being more comfortable and getting cheered, or because refs unconsciously have slight bias towards the home team because of the pressure of the crowd.

NEITHER team had home court. It was completely fair in that aspect. One team doesn't have to sleep in hotels while the other got to sleep in their cozy mansion. Neither had the burden of traveling. The resting and traveling conditions were identical.

The bubble year was the most even playing field ever. All conditions were equal for the teams. Never before have the conditions been so equal. That's what makes it the purest championship ever.

Its the least pure championship. Not all teams benefit equally from a 2 month midseason break. Young healthy teams are built to withstand the rigors of a season. Old and/or injury prone teams are more likely to fail as the season wears on - that break made a huge difference to rosters that fit that old and/or injury prone category.

However yes, once in the bubble teams were likely more evenly tested: players more likely to choke in the real world in front of opposing crowds etc won more and those that tend not to choke didnt have that same advantage

[MrPainfulTruth]

I dont know what a "pure" championship is, but this one is, individually, the most impressive i have personally watched:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H-7YI56MdHk

Just looking at how little help he had and who he had to overcome, i dont think there is any debate this beats any other ring of the 2000's by a mile.

Dirk had a better team and had Miami’s number that year. 2016 pretty easily beats this one.

"better team" than who? Who exactly made that team other than Dirk? Please expand who on his team was "better" than the three superstars on the heat, who was better than KD, Harden and Westbrook, orr Kobe + Pau.

Dirks championship EASILY dwarfs 2016.

[Quattro]

Sure. The Lakers won so clearly "purest championship ever".

[Iwasawitness]

I dont know what a "pure" championship is, but this one is, individually, the most impressive i have personally watched:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H-7YI56MdHk

Just looking at how little help he had and who he had to overcome, i dont think there is any debate this beats any other ring of the 2000's by a mile.

Dirk had a better team and had Miami’s number that year. 2016 pretty easily beats this one.

"better team" than who? Who exactly made that team other than Dirk? Please expand who on his team was "better" than the three superstars on the heat, who was better than KD, Harden and Westbrook, orr Kobe + Pau.

Dirks championship EASILY dwarfs 2016.

Well Tyson Chandler for starters, who significantly improved the Dallas defense and made them legitimate contenders. Shawn Marion was a stalwart defensive wing who provided decent scoring as well. JJ provided significant scoring off the bench and we can’t forget about Kidd doing a tremendous job running the Dallas offense. Acting like it was just Dirk and only Dirk is beyond laughable.

And who were they better than? Miami for one thing, you know, the team who they were 6-2 against that season? There’s a good reason for that.

[The4thHorseman]

I dont know what a "pure" championship is, but this one is, individually, the most impressive i have personally watched:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H-7YI56MdHk

Just looking at how little help he had and who he had to overcome, i dont think there is any debate this beats any other ring of the 2000's by a mile.

Dirk had a better team and had Miami’s number that year. 2016 pretty easily beats this one.

"better team" than who? Who exactly made that team other than Dirk? Please expand who on his team was "better" than the three superstars on the heat, who was better than KD, Harden and Westbrook, orr Kobe + Pau.

Dirks championship EASILY dwarfs 2016.

[SNPA]

It’s an * title.

No way around the fact that a long period of time off helps older teams. Obviously none of the players control these factors but they matter and can’t be ignored.

[binjumper]

I dont know what a "pure" championship is, but this one is, individually, the most impressive i have personally watched:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H-7YI56MdHk

Just looking at how little help he had and who he had to overcome, i dont think there is any debate this beats any other ring of the 2000's by a mile.

Dirk had a better team and had Miami’s number that year. 2016 pretty easily beats this one.

Ouuu this was a good one. Lebron's nuts probably has an imprint of his face from hugging it too hard.

Pretty wild to say

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/2011.html this team wasn't better than

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/2011.html

Strike: Trolling/Baiting

[Iwasawitness]

I dont know what a "pure" championship is, but this one is, individually, the most impressive i have personally watched:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H-7YI56MdHk

Just looking at how little help he had and who he had to overcome, i dont think there is any debate this beats any other ring of the 2000's by a mile.

Dirk had a better team and had Miami’s number that year. 2016 pretty easily beats this one.

Ouuu this was a good one. Lebron's nuts probably has an imprint of his face from hugging it too hard.

Pretty wild to say

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/2011.html this team wasn't better than

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/2011.html

Dallas was 2-0 against Miami in the regular season before they met in the finals. They had a better starting five, bench, and were better coached. So no, they were not better than Miami. There’s a reason Miami had a poor record against teams above .500.