How many titles will OKC win until 2030?

[Jaqua92]

Thir first high stakes game against a quality team since the playoffs and they lose. They have the same offensive issues MIN had last year

This also makes them now 5-4 THIS SEASON against top 5 seeds.

Hopefully we can pump the breaks on calling them contenders.

Paging Lol Wang

[Lo Wang]

Thir first high stakes game against a quality team since the playoffs and they lose. They have the same offensive issues MIN had last year

This also makes them now 5-4 THIS SEASON against top 5 seeds.

Hopefully we can pump the breaks on calling them contenders.

Paging Lol Wang

Still at a 90% win rate with either Chet or Hart in the lineup. Probably going to be 99% with both of them in the lineup after the all star break. Great time to make an end of season run and dominate.

Things are going as planned.

A ring this year is highly plausible.

1 lost. It's ok. We will adapt. Young guys are fast learners.

[Lo Wang]

Bro you can't win this argument.

This team is legit.

Trying to convince me this team is not legit is just a bad argument. You have nothing. I can counter every argument.

[Lo Wang]

The reason why I'm confident is because of stats. You can't have a better argument if you don't use stats to support it.

[Capn'O]

I had them at 2 FWIW. If my Knicks can't make the finals, I'd love to see a BOS/OKC finals.

I'm sticking to my guns all the way until they're both out and that's Knicks/Dallas finals prediction b4 the season started.

If not Dallas It's OKC

Yuge fan of your prediction. Yuge.

[Jaqua92]

Bro you can't win this argument.

This team is legit.

Trying to convince me this team is not legit is just a bad argument. You have nothing. I can counter every argument.

Be well man.

[bbms]

isaiah joe should be on the trading block tomorrow. you don't pay big dollars to a 3point specialist that will give you 1/6 when a trophy is in the line, simple as that.

and why the **** isaiah joe and ajay mitchel are combining for 30 minutes while aaron wiggins has 3 minutes? this makes no sense!

mike d needs to take full responsibility.

[Patches Perry]

This also makes them now 5-4 THIS SEASON against top 5 seeds.

Just for context:

Against top 5 seeds:
Cleveland Cavaliers 6-1 85.71%
Boston Celtics 5-2 71.43%
Dallas Mavericks 5-3 62.50%
Memphis Grizzlies 4-3 57.14%
Houston Rockets 4-3 57.14%
Oklahoma City Thunder 5-4 55.56%
New York Knicks 4-4 50.00%
Denver Nuggets 3-5 37.50%
Milwaukee Bucks 2-7 22.22%
Orlando Magic 0-7 0.00%

However, against top 4 seeds:
Cleveland Cavaliers 3-1 75.00%
Oklahoma City Thunder 4-2 66.67%
Houston Rockets 4-2 66.67%
Dallas Mavericks 4-2 66.67%
Memphis Grizzlies 2-2 50.00%
Boston Celtics 2-2 50.00%
New York Knicks 2-4 33.33%
Orlando Magic 0-6 0.00%

Which is to say, if top 5 seed records are drastically different than top 4 seed records, then the sample size is too small.

[bbms]

This also makes them now 5-4 THIS SEASON against top 5 seeds.

Just for context:

Against top 5 seeds:
Cleveland Cavaliers 6-1 85.71%
Boston Celtics 5-2 71.43%
Dallas Mavericks 5-3 62.50%
Memphis Grizzlies 4-3 57.14%
Houston Rockets 4-3 57.14%
Oklahoma City Thunder 5-4 55.56%
New York Knicks 4-4 50.00%
Denver Nuggets 3-5 37.50%
Milwaukee Bucks 2-7 22.22%
Orlando Magic 0-7 0.00%

However, against top 4 seeds:
Cleveland Cavaliers 3-1 75.00%
Oklahoma City Thunder 4-2 66.67%
Houston Rockets 4-2 66.67%
Dallas Mavericks 4-2 66.67%
Memphis Grizzlies 2-2 50.00%
Boston Celtics 2-2 50.00%
New York Knicks 2-4 33.33%
Orlando Magic 0-6 0.00%

Which is to say, if top 5 seed records are drastically different than top 4 seed records, then the sample size is too small.

i won't defend a team that just lost in a blowout on a championship game
imo they need to be with a chip on their shoulder.

[iggymcfrack]

Poll results are nuts. They’re one of 2 teams that’s WAY out in front of the rest of the league and they’re probably the youngest team that was ever this good. Their 2nd and 3rd best player are 22 and 23 years old. Caruso’s the only rotation player over 26. They’re only gonna get better from here.

I feel like conservatively they have to be at least 25% to win a title this year and that’s only gonna go up from here. I voted 2 to 3 which is probably a little optimistic, but there’s no rational reason to think they won’t average at least 1 title the next 6 years.

[iggymcfrack]

isaiah joe should be on the trading block tomorrow. you don't pay big dollars to a 3point specialist that will give you 1/6 when a trophy is in the line, simple as that.

and why the **** isaiah joe and ajay mitchel are combining for 30 minutes while aaron wiggins has 3 minutes? this makes no sense!

mike d needs to take full responsibility.

Steph Curry once shot 2/15 from three in the Finals. Anyone can have a bad game. $13MM/year is not a lot for a 6th man who can create his own shot and shoot 38% from three on 10 attempts per 36.

[iggymcfrack]

Thir first high stakes game against a quality team since the playoffs and they lose. They have the same offensive issues MIN had last year

This also makes them now 5-4 THIS SEASON against top 5 seeds.

Hopefully we can pump the breaks on calling them contenders.

Paging Lol Wang

What about the last game they played against the 4th best team in the league by SRS to make the final? If we’re talking about cup games being higher stakes, that’s an argument in favor of OKC as they performed better in the NBA Cup than any other team that’s an actual contender.

[dhsilv2]

That's the criteria. The speculation is based on the criteria.

At the time, when Shaq/Kobe were in their primes, they still had 15 years left.

You're telling me they can't win 8 rings if they were completely healthy and remained as a team?

If you want a real debate, we can break down the metrics and go at it.

They never had 15 years left when they entered their prime. Shaq played 15 years once he joined the lakers. Kobe wasn't in his prime until maybe 2000. These are basic facts.

And there's no reason to make up a fantasy of never breaking up or getting hurt. That's not basketball.

Do you understand the difference between a speculative discussion and a fact based one?

In a speculative discussion, criterias can be set if both parties agree to it. The idea is to speculate. We're not dealing with facts. We're speculating on a future event. Anytime you make a prediction, it is speculative; we are not speaking fact based. Unless you can tell the future, there's no way of knowing how many rings the Thunder will get.

I'm not trying to be right. This is a speculative thread, and that's what I'm doing.

Nobody is agreeing to your fantasy stuff...you didn't start this thread. Nobody is going to speculate on something that isn't basketball. The idea you're taking the human element out of the physical cost of multiple finals is just stupid. It's not a conversation worth even having. I'd sooner get into who'd win in a fight between Spiderman and Wolverine. They're just as realistic.

[dhsilv2]

Thir first high stakes game against a quality team since the playoffs and they lose. They have the same offensive issues MIN had last year

This also makes them now 5-4 THIS SEASON against top 5 seeds.

Hopefully we can pump the breaks on calling them contenders.

Paging Lol Wang

Still at a 90% win rate with either Chet or Hart in the lineup. Probably going to be 99% with both of them in the lineup after the all star break. Great time to make an end of season run and dominate.

Things are going as planned.

A ring this year is highly plausible.

1 lost. It's ok. We will adapt. Young guys are fast learners.

And I see the problem...you think you're on the team...

[bluejerseyjinx]

isaiah joe should be on the trading block tomorrow. you don't pay big dollars to a 3point specialist that will give you 1/6 when a trophy is in the line, simple as that.

and why the **** isaiah joe and ajay mitchel are combining for 30 minutes while aaron wiggins has 3 minutes? this makes no sense!

mike d needs to take full responsibility.

This is the same dude that said at the beginning of the thread that this Oklahoma team,after 25 games was as good as the Bill Russell teams that won 8 straight titles.

[dhsilv2]

Poll results are nuts. They’re one of 2 teams that’s WAY out in front of the rest of the league and they’re probably the youngest team that was ever this good. Their 2nd and 3rd best player are 22 and 23 years old. Caruso’s the only rotation player over 26. They’re only gonna get better from here.

I feel like conservatively they have to be at least 25% to win a title this year and that’s only gonna go up from here. I voted 2 to 3 which is probably a little optimistic, but there’s no rational reason to think they won’t average at least 1 title the next 6 years.

Well part of the issue is they are 22 and 23 and this is only going 6 years forward and not say 8-9 which would encompass their whole primes.

But we also have no idea if Chet can stay healthy for a playoff run.

25% is a bit high but not unreasonable, especially given Cleveland is in the east and looks to be the biggest threat to break up the OKC Celtics finals. But from there for every reason we could see this team getting better, there's the risk players demand out...that's why conservative estimates are needed.

[bbms]

isaiah joe should be on the trading block tomorrow. you don't pay big dollars to a 3point specialist that will give you 1/6 when a trophy is in the line, simple as that.

and why the **** isaiah joe and ajay mitchel are combining for 30 minutes while aaron wiggins has 3 minutes? this makes no sense!

mike d needs to take full responsibility.

This is the same dude that said at the beginning of the thread that this Oklahoma team,after 25 games was as good as the Bill Russell teams that won 8 straight titles.

me? where?

thunder is right there in defensive rating above league average with those celtics teams. doesn't mean the team is perfect nor, as a fanatic, can't ask for people's heads while pissed off from a catastrophic game where a trophy is on the line, ain't I?

[bluejerseyjinx]

isaiah joe should be on the trading block tomorrow. you don't pay big dollars to a 3point specialist that will give you 1/6 when a trophy is in the line, simple as that.

and why the **** isaiah joe and ajay mitchel are combining for 30 minutes while aaron wiggins has 3 minutes? this makes no sense!

mike d needs to take full responsibility.

This is the same dude that said at the beginning of the thread that this Oklahoma team,after 25 games was as good as the Bill Russell teams that won 8 straight titles.

me? where?

thunder is right there in defensive rating above league average with those celtics teams. doesn't mean the team is perfect nor, as a fanatic, can't ask for people's heads while pissed off from a catastrophic game where a trophy is on the line, ain't I?

I thought I was responding to Lo Wang. Sorry. I accidently attached to wrong post. My bad. I should have been more clear.

[Exp0sed]

I think they should win at least one, health permitting. The issue will be when it comes to needing to pay their young guys with the second apron rule - can they have SGA, Chet and J-Dub all on max contracts and retain talent like Hartenstein and Caruso alongside them? And then guys like Dort, Wallace etc will also be up for bigger extensions in a couple of years.

They won't be able (eventually) to retain their big 3 while also paying guys like Dort, Caruso, Ihart etc. However their treasure of picks means they can start drafting guys who are ready to play and can fill in some of that production, while on rookie deals. A bit like what Denver has been doing with getting guys like Braun etc. A rebuilding team probably opts for a younger prospect, with higher ceiling than say..Christian Braun and since most lottery teams are shooting for the stars (pun intended), that means this type of older vet who can contribute right away, are usually available for the taking as their draft value is lower

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