Knicks/Magic Post Game - READ POST 1

[ctorres]

We really don't know yet if Mitch and KAT will work well together. Also, will KAT remain as effective on offense if he is alongside Mitch?

KAT is having a historic season in large part because we are running 5-out.

I seriously doubt that KAT and Mitch can play together. Mitch hasn’t developed any offensive skills, so his man would just plant himself in the paint, taking away driving opportunities for the entire team. The team’s offensive efficiency would plummet and until Mitch’s next injury. Not to mention we’d have to force KAT to guard in space. Mitch should be counted on as nothing more than a bench big at this point

So why was this not a huge issue:
1, last year in Minnessota with Gobert?
2, last 2 years with the Knicks, when Robinson had the same exact offensive skills he has today?

We run the risk of KAT's 3pt shooting percentage going down from 43% to 36% if he is playing alongside Mitch. Maybe that's an exaggeration but I could foresee a dip

[gavran]

I seriously doubt that KAT and Mitch can play together. Mitch hasn’t developed any offensive skills, so his man would just plant himself in the paint, taking away driving opportunities for the entire team. The team’s offensive efficiency would plummet and until Mitch’s next injury. Not to mention we’d have to force KAT to guard in space. Mitch should be counted on as nothing more than a bench big at this point

So why was this not a huge issue:
1, last year in Minnessota with Gobert?
2, last 2 years with the Knicks, when Robinson had the same exact offensive skills he has today?

We run the risk of KAT's 3pt shooting percentage going down from 43% to 36% if he is playing alongside Mitch. Maybe that's an exaggeration but I could foresee a dip

Why, is Mitch going to get confused and contest KAT's shots?

[Fat Kat]

KAT is a 5 who has the skills of a 4 plus a really good outside shot.

Randle is a 4 that has some of the skills of a 3. He's more adept at creating his own shot off the dribble than KAT

That's why Randle and Mitch could play together

Can KAT and Mitch? Sure but it's not ideal.

Moving KAT to the 4 and having a center who lacks offensive ability would create issue for the offense. KATs biggest advantage is his ability to shoot and use his quickness to get around other 5s. With the paint clogged he doesn’t have the same driving lanes to be able to pump fake and drive to the basket. It also creates less passing lanes for our cutters and slashers. The only real benefit is on the defensive end and having a rim protector would improve things on the defensive end. Not sure if Robinson is a long term solution, with him being very injury prone and abysmal offensive game and free throw shooting there are negatives to him being in the starting lineup at least from the offensive end.

Exactly. And I get that KAT played with Gobert, so I guess it's a look that can be used. For this Knicks team I would hope that means "At times"

Some posters act like getting Mitch will solve everything, but if they were to start him it would introduce as many issues as it solves.
What Mitch would solve is being better at what the Knicks want from the 15-20 mpg of Precious/Sims provides, though Precious is a more switchable and mobile defender and also has some offensive ability, while Mitch of course has nearly none.

Yep. Plus, when is he actually coming back? Then how long before he’s in shape? And then how long will it take to integrate him into the lineup? He’s a bench player for the rest of the season at least.

[KnixinSix]

Moving KAT to the 4 and having a center who lacks offensive ability would create issue for the offense. KATs biggest advantage is his ability to shoot and use his quickness to get around other 5s. With the paint clogged he doesn’t have the same driving lanes to be able to pump fake and drive to the basket. It also creates less passing lanes for our cutters and slashers. The only real benefit is on the defensive end and having a rim protector would improve things on the defensive end. Not sure if Robinson is a long term solution, with him being very injury prone and abysmal offensive game and free throw shooting there are negatives to him being in the starting lineup at least from the offensive end.

Exactly. And I get that KAT played with Gobert, so I guess it's a look that can be used. For this Knicks team I would hope that means "At times"

Some posters act like getting Mitch will solve everything, but if they were to start him it would introduce as many issues as it solves.
What Mitch would solve is being better at what the Knicks want from the 15-20 mpg of Precious/Sims provides, though Precious is a more switchable and mobile defender and also has some offensive ability, while Mitch of course has nearly none.

Yep. Plus, when is he actually coming back? Then how long before he’s in shape? And then how long will it take to integrate him into the lineup? He’s a bench player for the rest of the season at least.

This lineup has plenty of efficient scorers now so even though Mitch is one dimensional offensively that doesn't matter nearly as much anymore. Mitch helps with the two biggest gaps we have by far...elite rim protection which would allow players to sag less in the paint as well to compensate and more rebounding.

[KnixinSix]

I seriously doubt that KAT and Mitch can play together. Mitch hasn’t developed any offensive skills, so his man would just plant himself in the paint, taking away driving opportunities for the entire team. The team’s offensive efficiency would plummet and until Mitch’s next injury. Not to mention we’d have to force KAT to guard in space. Mitch should be counted on as nothing more than a bench big at this point

So why was this not a huge issue:
1, last year in Minnessota with Gobert?
2, last 2 years with the Knicks, when Robinson had the same exact offensive skills he has today?

We run the risk of KAT's 3pt shooting percentage going down from 43% to 36% if he is playing alongside Mitch. Maybe that's an exaggeration but I could foresee a dip

20 to 26 minutes KAT at the 5
8 to 10 minutes KAT at the 4
22 to 28 minutes Mitch at the 5

I don't see how this poses a huge problem to KAT compared to the great benefit it would provide us in our weakest areas otherwise.

[Capn'O]

Part of it is we just need to unbundle some of the posting types. And, when I say we need to, this is coming from a large portion of the forum as the And1 reaction to my first post should demonstrate. This forum's tools don't really allow that to happen organically (i.e. threads splitting by sub-topics). We have posters that want to have more serious post game discussions and that's hard to do in a single thread where sh**posting is dominating the conversation. Then there are posters that do want to use this place to sh**post. That's not inherently a bad thing. But the two together is oil and water and the sh**posting tends to drown out other discussion.

We're working on that piece. The Raptors forum has a thread for ex players (and old trade litigation would be directed there too) and I think that would help a lot.

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One year timeline on this bureaucracy!!!!

Behold. Your government at work!

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[ctorres]

So why was this not a huge issue:
1, last year in Minnessota with Gobert?
2, last 2 years with the Knicks, when Robinson had the same exact offensive skills he has today?

We run the risk of KAT's 3pt shooting percentage going down from 43% to 36% if he is playing alongside Mitch. Maybe that's an exaggeration but I could foresee a dip

Why, is Mitch going to get confused and contest KAT's shots?

KAT's 3pt percentage was under 37% his first regular season with Gobert and 25% during the playoffs

However KAT improved to right under 42% his second regular season and right over 36% during the playoffs

So we'll see

[HarthorneWingo]

Knicks wrap it up against the shorthanded but defensively scrappy Magic squad. A good defense can always stay within striking distance but we matched defensive energy and just had more weapons than they did. Good to see us come out of a break with that kind of focus on the road.

Now, onto the administrative point.

Derailments to former (active) Knick players will result in suspensions. Around the NBA is the correct thread to discuss these players.

We're gonna have a quick trigger on this until things settle. Please report posts of this nature instead of responding to avoid being swept up in the derailment. We'll get to them when one of us is around to do so.

Can you explain/describe the offending conduct so I/we know what's taboo? I have no idea what this is about?

[HarthorneWingo]

I seriously doubt that KAT and Mitch can play together. Mitch hasn’t developed any offensive skills, so his man would just plant himself in the paint, taking away driving opportunities for the entire team. The team’s offensive efficiency would plummet and until Mitch’s next injury. Not to mention we’d have to force KAT to guard in space. Mitch should be counted on as nothing more than a bench big at this point

So why was this not a huge issue:
1, last year in Minnessota with Gobert?
2, last 2 years with the Knicks, when Robinson had the same exact offensive skills he has today?

We run the risk of KAT's 3pt shooting percentage going down from 43% to 36% if he is playing alongside Mitch. Maybe that's an exaggeration but I could foresee a dip

I don't think that they will play together for more than 10 minutes a game. Mostly, Mitch will be Towns's backup.

[Capn'O]

Knicks wrap it up against the shorthanded but defensively scrappy Magic squad. A good defense can always stay within striking distance but we matched defensive energy and just had more weapons than they did. Good to see us come out of a break with that kind of focus on the road.

Now, onto the administrative point.

Derailments to former (active) Knick players will result in suspensions. Around the NBA is the correct thread to discuss these players.

We're gonna have a quick trigger on this until things settle. Please report posts of this nature instead of responding to avoid being swept up in the derailment. We'll get to them when one of us is around to do so.

Can you explain/describe the offending conduct so I/we know what's taboo? I have no idea what this is about?

When unrelated threads derail to RJ/Randle arguments and similar "we shoulda done this or that a hundred years ago" arguments they will be directed to "fight thread" and suspensions may incur if those directions are not heeded.

[Jalen Bluntson]

So why was this not a huge issue:
1, last year in Minnessota with Gobert?
2, last 2 years with the Knicks, when Robinson had the same exact offensive skills he has today?

We run the risk of KAT's 3pt shooting percentage going down from 43% to 36% if he is playing alongside Mitch. Maybe that's an exaggeration but I could foresee a dip

20 to 26 minutes KAT at the 5
8 to 10 minutes KAT at the 4
22 to 28 minutes Mitch at the 5

I don't see how this poses a huge problem to KAT compared to the great benefit it would provide us in our weakest areas otherwise.

Agreed but, I think Mitch at 20-22 mpg max should be all we need. We shall see. I just want to see him back 100% and go from there. Same for Shamet as well. I think we are kinda counting the chickens right now and they aren't even in the hen house yet. Fingers crossed.

We would have the bullets to keep ALL of our starting 5 at 30-32mpg during the season with a full bench. Thibs can ramp the minutes up in late March if he wants to. We need to be fully healthy in April/May/June. That should be the main objective of this team/HC. I don't care about seeding as much as long as we make the top 6. No reason to go all out for regular season wins at all. Just play your best and keep them fresh. We will easily make the playoffs if we don't have any major health issues.

[HarthorneWingo]

Knicks wrap it up against the shorthanded but defensively scrappy Magic squad. A good defense can always stay within striking distance but we matched defensive energy and just had more weapons than they did. Good to see us come out of a break with that kind of focus on the road.

Now, onto the administrative point.

Derailments to former (active) Knick players will result in suspensions. Around the NBA is the correct thread to discuss these players.

We're gonna have a quick trigger on this until things settle. Please report posts of this nature instead of responding to avoid being swept up in the derailment. We'll get to them when one of us is around to do so.

Can you explain/describe the offending conduct so I/we know what's taboo? I have no idea what this is about?

When unrelated threads derail to RJ/Randle arguments and similar "we shoulda done this or that a hundred years ago" arguments they will be directed to "fight thread" and suspensions may incur if those directions are not heeded.

Gotcha.

So who are the worst offenders! We need to name names!!!!!!

[Clyde_Style]

Can you explain/describe the offending conduct so I/we know what's taboo? I have no idea what this is about?

When unrelated threads derail to RJ/Randle arguments and similar "we shoulda done this or that a hundred years ago" arguments they will be directed to "fight thread" and suspensions may incur if those directions are not heeded.

Gotcha.

So who are the worst offenders! We need to name names!!!!!!

Pablo Escobar

[Capn'O]

When unrelated threads derail to RJ/Randle arguments and similar "we shoulda done this or that a hundred years ago" arguments they will be directed to "fight thread" and suspensions may incur if those directions are not heeded.

Gotcha.

So who are the worst offenders! We need to name names!!!!!!

Pablo Escobar

Omg the WORST!

[HarthorneWingo]

Gotcha.

So who are the worst offenders! We need to name names!!!!!!

Pablo Escobar

Omg the WORST!

Noooo!!!!

Elaine Bennis!!!! She named names!!!

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[Clyde_Style]

Gotcha.

So who are the worst offenders! We need to name names!!!!!!

Pablo Escobar

Omg the WORST!

Escobar was not a strong proponent of workers rights and he got a horrible rating from PETA