Rough trade needs help on value MN/SAC/CHi

[winforlose]

This trade is rough. Different trade machine give different results, and I am unsure on value. The basic concept is Julius Randle and Leonard Miller to the Kings for Keegan Murray. Alex Len, and whatever salary and draft capital is needed to bring the Wolves Coby White. This trade written out is

MN out: Randle and Leonard Miller
MN in: Keegan Murray, Coby White, Alex Len

Kings in: Julius Randle, Leonard Miller
Kings out: Keegan Murray, Alex Len, Kevin Hurter, Doug McDermott, 2027 first

Bulls out: Coby White
Bulls in: Kevin Hurter, Doug McDermott, Kings 2027 first (Add protections as needed.)


So this trade needs to happen after January 15th to make McDermott work. Fanspo says you don’t need him, Spotrac says you do and it still fails with him. I have no idea if the money works, but again this is a please help me finish the trade add balance thread.

Why for the Wolves. Turn Julius Randle into a new starting PG in White, Conley becomes PG2 and next year maybe PG3 as Dillingham ascends. This gives Dilly time to develop his body and game. Alex Len is a functional backup C, and Murray is a prospect on the correct timeline while Naz moves into stating PF.

Why for the Bulls: Hurter might have some resale value, you get a first for White, and if more value is needed we can talk about it. This assumes the Bulls are sellers.

Why for the Kings. Randle is an improvement over Murray. The money will be offset in 2 years when Murray eventually got paid. Randle is likely to opt in for 30 mil next year which is a bargain at his level of production. The bird rights will help the Kings retain Randle after next year. The fit is also good with Monk moving into the starting lineup to replace KH. Fox/Monk/DDR/Randle/Sabonis is a solid unit and Leonard Miller is a floor spacing 6’11 PF/C hybrid who is dirt cheap and can be developed.

[Texas Chuck]

Kings are about the last team who should be dealing for Randle. Just a terrible fit with their current core. I can't imagine he is a target.

Oh and the value is really rough on them too. Really rough.

[winforlose]

Kings are about the last team who should be dealing for Randle. Just a terrible fit with their current core. I can't imagine he is a target.

Oh and the value is really rough on them too. Really rough.

Again, I agree the value is off. Without a reliable trade machine it is hard to work on the balance, which is why I opened it up to the board. It is a help me finish this rough concept thread.

As for Randle to the Kings, he is a perfect fit with Fox and Sabonis. He is hitting his 3s at an improved clip this year. He has inside outside gravity for Fox, would benefit from the passing of Sabonis, and takes pressure off of both. As for defense, Murray isn’t playing well on that end, at worsts it a defensive wash with an offensive improvement, and Miller is a legit prospect that I think could be rotation worthy now for them.

[OutsidetheNBA]

Randle is a really bad fit for the Kings: To the extent he adds value to a team (and I don't think it's much), it's because he's a secondary creator who thrives with the ball in his hands. The Kings already have 3 guys who need the ball to be valuable -- Fox, Sabonis, DeRozan. You'd be asking Randle to stand in the corner and even if he's shooting better, you're vastly overpaying him as a 3-And-No-D player.

Murray, in contrast, is young, cheap, under team control for years, and is much better suited for a non-creator offensive role. Yes, he's not a great defender, but he's at least decent, which makes him the closest thing the Kings have to a two-way player.

There is no asset the Timberwolves would be willing to trade trade that could bridge the gap between Murray and Randle.

[JRoy]

Kings are about the last team who should be dealing for Randle. Just a terrible fit with their current core. I can't imagine he is a target.

Oh and the value is really rough on them too. Really rough.

Again, I agree the value is off. Without a reliable trade machine it is hard to work on the balance, which is why I opened it up to the board. It is a help me finish this rough concept thread.

As for Randle to the Kings, he is a perfect fit with Fox and Sabonis. He is hitting his 3s at an improved clip this year. He has inside outside gravity for Fox, would benefit from the passing of Sabonis, and takes pressure off of both. As for defense, Murray isn’t playing well on that end, at worsts it a defensive wash with an offensive improvement, and Miller is a legit prospect that I think could be rotation worthy now for them.

I am not a SAC fan but I am inclined to believe that they will not look upon this deal favorably.

[winforlose]

Kings are about the last team who should be dealing for Randle. Just a terrible fit with their current core. I can't imagine he is a target.

Oh and the value is really rough on them too. Really rough.

Again, I agree the value is off. Without a reliable trade machine it is hard to work on the balance, which is why I opened it up to the board. It is a help me finish this rough concept thread.

As for Randle to the Kings, he is a perfect fit with Fox and Sabonis. He is hitting his 3s at an improved clip this year. He has inside outside gravity for Fox, would benefit from the passing of Sabonis, and takes pressure off of both. As for defense, Murray isn’t playing well on that end, at worsts it a defensive wash with an offensive improvement, and Miller is a legit prospect that I think could be rotation worthy now for them.

I am not a SAC fan but I am inclined to believe that they will not look upon this deal favorably.

Any thoughts on how to improve it?

[winforlose]

Randle is a really bad fit for the Kings: To the extent he adds value to a team (and I don't think it's much), it's because he's a secondary creator who thrives with the ball in his hands. The Kings already have 3 guys who need the ball to be valuable -- Fox, Sabonis, DeRozan. You'd be asking Randle to stand in the corner and even if he's shooting better, you're vastly overpaying him as a 3-And-No-D player.

Murray, in contrast, is young, cheap, under team control for years, and is much better suited for a non-creator offensive role. Yes, he's not a great defender, but he's at least decent, which makes him the closest thing the Kings have to a two-way player.

There is no asset the Timberwolves would be willing to trade trade that could bridge the gap between Murray and Randle.

One name I was considering adding was Terrance Shannon Jr. I didn’t because his 3 is untested (he just didn’t take a lot in the summer league and preseason,) but he is also on a rookie scale, is 24 as a rookie (so more developed and ready,) and was known for his defense. If the Wolves gave both Miller and Shannon they might need more back, but again that is what I am looking to figure out.

[JRoy]

Again, I agree the value is off. Without a reliable trade machine it is hard to work on the balance, which is why I opened it up to the board. It is a help me finish this rough concept thread.

As for Randle to the Kings, he is a perfect fit with Fox and Sabonis. He is hitting his 3s at an improved clip this year. He has inside outside gravity for Fox, would benefit from the passing of Sabonis, and takes pressure off of both. As for defense, Murray isn’t playing well on that end, at worsts it a defensive wash with an offensive improvement, and Miller is a legit prospect that I think could be rotation worthy now for them.

I am not a SAC fan but I am inclined to believe that they will not look upon this deal favorably.

Any thoughts on how to improve it?

SAC fans are really high on Murray and I don’t think they view Randle as the kind of player they would look for in a swap.

Again, not a SAC fan, but that is chatter I have seen.

[OutsidetheNBA]

Randle is a really bad fit for the Kings: To the extent he adds value to a team (and I don't think it's much), it's because he's a secondary creator who thrives with the ball in his hands. The Kings already have 3 guys who need the ball to be valuable -- Fox, Sabonis, DeRozan. You'd be asking Randle to stand in the corner and even if he's shooting better, you're vastly overpaying him as a 3-And-No-D player.

Murray, in contrast, is young, cheap, under team control for years, and is much better suited for a non-creator offensive role. Yes, he's not a great defender, but he's at least decent, which makes him the closest thing the Kings have to a two-way player.

There is no asset the Timberwolves would be willing to trade trade that could bridge the gap between Murray and Randle.

One name I was considering adding was Terrance Shannon Jr. I didn’t because his 3 is untested (he just didn’t take a lot in the summer league and preseason,) but he is also on a rookie scale, is 24 as a rookie (so more developed and ready,) and was known for his defense. If the Wolves gave both Miller and Shannon they might need more back, but again that is what I am looking to figure out.

I don't think the Kings trade Murray for Randle, Shannon, Miller, and the Detroit 1st. And I like both Shannon and Miller. Kings are trying to make the playoffs, they value Murray highly, and Randle is a really bad fit. Randle makes them worse in the short and long term.

[ChettheJet]

The Bulls are good with this but not great. White handles the ball well enough to be their PG if needed, Huerter No. Not great for the Bulls taking a Doug McBuckets revisit 10 years later, because he cost them 2 FRPs, not pleasant memories. That 2027 pick maybe top 5-7 protected, they need to be getting picks instead of trading them and they're sitting on a protected PORT pick that doesn't look like it will ever hatch.

Ship Trey Lyles and take back Jevon Carter instead of McDerrmott and maybe there's hope.

[Scoot McGroot]

Kings are about the last team who should be dealing for Randle. Just a terrible fit with their current core. I can't imagine he is a target.

Oh and the value is really rough on them too. Really rough.

Again, I agree the value is off. Without a reliable trade machine it is hard to work on the balance, which is why I opened it up to the board. It is a help me finish this rough concept thread.

We figured out it doesn’t work financially for the Kings yesterday, no?

As for Randle to the Kings, he is a perfect fit with Fox and Sabonis. He is hitting his 3s at an improved clip this year. He has inside outside gravity for Fox, would benefit from the passing of Sabonis, and takes pressure off of both. As for defense, Murray isn’t playing well on that end, at worsts it a defensive wash with an offensive improvement, and Miller is a legit prospect that I think could be rotation worthy now for them.

Oh, WILDLY DISAGREE on the Sabonis/Randle possibility, and as someone whose favorite team used to have Sabonis, I’ve though a lot on it.

Obviously, defensively, it’s a failure. Neither guy should be sliding all night on the perimeter. Like, Sabonis will try hard, but it’s not to his strengths. And offensively, the fact that Randle can hit 3’s doesn’t matter. It’s that both players ideally play with the ball facing the basket on the perimeter, so they literally play in the exact same spaces and conflict directly. Both find offensive benefits from facing the basket, especially the top of the key, to make plays off of. Giving up Murray to acquire Randle and then tell Julius “just go stand in the corner so we can have our guy do what you do better” is a complete waste of fit and resources, imo.


But the valuation is WAY off. Like, Randle can’t pull a blue chip prospect like Keegan Murray right now. Asking Sacramento to pay the tax, and also give up a 1st is completely a no go.

And if Miller MIGHT be a rotation player somewhere else, he’s going to be valued at a borderline 2nd rounder right now. He was that recently, he’s burned years off his cheapest contract of his career, and he hasn’t proven it on the court yet. His value will have dropped from his draft position. He doesn’t help in any way that Randle doesn’t pull Murray.

This looks like Minnesota is trying to steal a ton of value right now by including extra teams?

[daoneandonly]

This trade seems to only consider Minnesota's needs and ignoring others, dont think much can be done to fix it

[wemby]

This trade seems to only consider Minnesota's needs and ignoring others, dont think much can be done to fix it

100%

[winforlose]

Kings are about the last team who should be dealing for Randle. Just a terrible fit with their current core. I can't imagine he is a target.

Oh and the value is really rough on them too. Really rough.

Again, I agree the value is off. Without a reliable trade machine it is hard to work on the balance, which is why I opened it up to the board. It is a help me finish this rough concept thread.

We figured out it doesn’t work financially for the Kings yesterday, no?

As for Randle to the Kings, he is a perfect fit with Fox and Sabonis. He is hitting his 3s at an improved clip this year. He has inside outside gravity for Fox, would benefit from the passing of Sabonis, and takes pressure off of both. As for defense, Murray isn’t playing well on that end, at worsts it a defensive wash with an offensive improvement, and Miller is a legit prospect that I think could be rotation worthy now for them.

Oh, WILDLY DISAGREE on the Sabonis/Randle possibility, and as someone whose favorite team used to have Sabonis, I’ve though a lot on it.

Obviously, defensively, it’s a failure. Neither guy should be sliding all night on the perimeter. Like, Sabonis will try hard, but it’s not to his strengths. And offensively, the fact that Randle can hit 3’s doesn’t matter. It’s that both players ideally play with the ball facing the basket on the perimeter, so they literally play in the exact same spaces and conflict directly. Both find offensive benefits from facing the basket, especially the top of the key, to make plays off of. Giving up Murray to acquire Randle and then tell Julius “just go stand in the corner so we can have our guy do what you do better” is a complete waste of fit and resources, imo.


But the valuation is WAY off. Like, Randle can’t pull a blue chip prospect like Keegan Murray right now. Asking Sacramento to pay the tax, and also give up a 1st is completely a no go.

And if Miller MIGHT be a rotation player somewhere else, he’s going to be valued at a borderline 2nd rounder right now. He was that recently, he’s burned years off his cheapest contract of his career, and he hasn’t proven it on the court yet. His value will have dropped from his draft position. He doesn’t help in any way that Randle doesn’t pull Murray.

This looks like Minnesota is trying to steal a ton of value right now by including extra teams?

Fanspo says the math works with or without McDermott included. I honestly have no clue if the money works.

1. Murray is having a down year. I am not sure he is still a blue chip, and he would not start for us.

2. Miller was drafted in 2023. He has burned one cheap year. He still has 3 more plus restricted rights. He is also playing out of his mind in the G. A multi-positional floor spacing 6’11 big is not filler, especially at 21. He is not in our rotation because of Randle. When Randle is traded Naz and Miller will both be given increased roles.

3. I said the value is off. I was debating throwing in Terrance Shannon Jr, a current first. That said, Randle has a good deal (20 PPG with his track record doesn’t normally cost only 30,) and he is likely to opt in because the CBA is depressing the value of mid level stars.

4. The fit is the big question I guess. I still think Fox/Randle/Sabonis is a good big 3 offensively. Shannon is a defensive wing who is buried on our depth chart and might find himself in the Kings’ rotation right away. A first for Coby White plus resale on Hurter seems right. I don’t think it is a value steal on its face. I think it might need some help calibrating value.

[Scoot McGroot]

Again, I agree the value is off. Without a reliable trade machine it is hard to work on the balance, which is why I opened it up to the board. It is a help me finish this rough concept thread.

We figured out it doesn’t work financially for the Kings yesterday, no?

As for Randle to the Kings, he is a perfect fit with Fox and Sabonis. He is hitting his 3s at an improved clip this year. He has inside outside gravity for Fox, would benefit from the passing of Sabonis, and takes pressure off of both. As for defense, Murray isn’t playing well on that end, at worsts it a defensive wash with an offensive improvement, and Miller is a legit prospect that I think could be rotation worthy now for them.

Oh, WILDLY DISAGREE on the Sabonis/Randle possibility, and as someone whose favorite team used to have Sabonis, I’ve though a lot on it.

Obviously, defensively, it’s a failure. Neither guy should be sliding all night on the perimeter. Like, Sabonis will try hard, but it’s not to his strengths. And offensively, the fact that Randle can hit 3’s doesn’t matter. It’s that both players ideally play with the ball facing the basket on the perimeter, so they literally play in the exact same spaces and conflict directly. Both find offensive benefits from facing the basket, especially the top of the key, to make plays off of. Giving up Murray to acquire Randle and then tell Julius “just go stand in the corner so we can have our guy do what you do better” is a complete waste of fit and resources, imo.


But the valuation is WAY off. Like, Randle can’t pull a blue chip prospect like Keegan Murray right now. Asking Sacramento to pay the tax, and also give up a 1st is completely a no go.

And if Miller MIGHT be a rotation player somewhere else, he’s going to be valued at a borderline 2nd rounder right now. He was that recently, he’s burned years off his cheapest contract of his career, and he hasn’t proven it on the court yet. His value will have dropped from his draft position. He doesn’t help in any way that Randle doesn’t pull Murray.

This looks like Minnesota is trying to steal a ton of value right now by including extra teams?

Fanspo says the math works with or without McDermott included. I honestly have no clue if the money works.

Fanspo is wildly inaccurate, but we figured out the Leonard Miller inclusion kills it for Sacramento, legally.

1. Murray is having a down year. I am not sure he is still a blue chip, and he would not start for us.

. He wouid absolutely start for you in the spot that Randle is vacating. And if you think so little of him, recognize that you’re the outlier and you can’t get him cheap, when so many other teams would pay more than you think you should.

2. Miller was drafted in 2023. He has burned one cheap year. He still has 3 more plus restricted rights. He is also playing out of his mind in the G. A multi-positional floor spacing 6’11 big is not filler, especially at 21. He is not in our rotation because of Randle. When Randle is traded Naz and Miller will both be given increased roles.

He has burned a year and a half. If he’s to reach restricted free agency, a team only has the rest of this year and next year to use him. If he plays 4 years on his current contract, he’ll be unrestricted.

And GLeague stats DO NOT MATTER. Indy had TJ Leaf and Gabe York and Oscar Tshiebwe absolutely CRUSH the GLeague, and it does not necessarily translate at all to the NBA. It’s a good sign, but doesn’t help his nba value at all.

3. I said the value is off. I was debating throwing in Terrance Shannon Jr, a current first. That said, Randle has a good deal (20 PPG with his track record doesn’t normally cost only 30,) and he is likely to opt in because the CBA is depressing the value of mid level stars.

I mean, I think you’re just still off. At its core, you’re off in basic meaning of the deal. And that’s the type of stuff that can’t be fixed with another pick or prospect.

4. The fit is the big question I guess. I still think Fox/Randle/Sabonis is a good big 3 offensively. Shannon is a defensive wing who is buried on our depth chart and might find himself in the Kings’ rotation right away. A first for Coby White plus resale on Hurter seems right. I don’t think it is a value steal on its face. I think it might need some help calibrating value.

I mean, if you ignore Keegan Murray, yeah, it probably seems pretty close? But a young combo forward that can play both ways, and still has the majority of his rookie contract is SUPER valuable. Like, more valuable than Randle, straight up. But in terms of fit, the style of play of having Sabonis, Randle, and DDR in the same lineup is insanely restrictive. Then, even if Randle starts hitting 3’s again, though he’s probably more of the 33-34% career shooter than that one 40+% season, he won’t have the gravity to pull defenders beyond the arc, as they’ll still allow him those shots and treat him like the career 34% shooter he is.

In terms of raw stats, it should seem like they’re all fine. But when you examine how and where each guy should ideally play, and they’re all overlapping each other and just hindering each other.

[Northern hoops]

On top of value being off, Minnesota can't aggregate salary because of the 2nd apron, so there's no way to bridge value between Randle and whoever the target is

[winforlose]

On top of value being off, Minnesota can't aggregate salary because of the 2nd apron, so there's no way to bridge value between Randle and whoever the target is

I still don’t know how the aggregation stuff actually works. If player X is 30 million and you want to trade players y and z for player X at a total of 17 million I know that works. But now let’s say to balance the trade you want to include player A who makes a rookie scale. So if X = Y + Z does A + X = Y and Z count as aggregation? I have different trade machines telling me different things and I don’t understand how it actually works.

[winforlose]

We figured out it doesn’t work financially for the Kings yesterday, no?



Oh, WILDLY DISAGREE on the Sabonis/Randle possibility, and as someone whose favorite team used to have Sabonis, I’ve though a lot on it.

Obviously, defensively, it’s a failure. Neither guy should be sliding all night on the perimeter. Like, Sabonis will try hard, but it’s not to his strengths. And offensively, the fact that Randle can hit 3’s doesn’t matter. It’s that both players ideally play with the ball facing the basket on the perimeter, so they literally play in the exact same spaces and conflict directly. Both find offensive benefits from facing the basket, especially the top of the key, to make plays off of. Giving up Murray to acquire Randle and then tell Julius “just go stand in the corner so we can have our guy do what you do better” is a complete waste of fit and resources, imo.


But the valuation is WAY off. Like, Randle can’t pull a blue chip prospect like Keegan Murray right now. Asking Sacramento to pay the tax, and also give up a 1st is completely a no go.

And if Miller MIGHT be a rotation player somewhere else, he’s going to be valued at a borderline 2nd rounder right now. He was that recently, he’s burned years off his cheapest contract of his career, and he hasn’t proven it on the court yet. His value will have dropped from his draft position. He doesn’t help in any way that Randle doesn’t pull Murray.

This looks like Minnesota is trying to steal a ton of value right now by including extra teams?

Fanspo says the math works with or without McDermott included. I honestly have no clue if the money works.

Fanspo is wildly inaccurate, but we figured out the Leonard Miller inclusion kills it for Sacramento, legally.

1. Murray is having a down year. I am not sure he is still a blue chip, and he would not start for us.

. He wouid absolutely start for you in the spot that Randle is vacating. And if you think so little of him, recognize that you’re the outlier and you can’t get him cheap, when so many other teams would pay more than you think you should.

2. Miller was drafted in 2023. He has burned one cheap year. He still has 3 more plus restricted rights. He is also playing out of his mind in the G. A multi-positional floor spacing 6’11 big is not filler, especially at 21. He is not in our rotation because of Randle. When Randle is traded Naz and Miller will both be given increased roles.

He has burned a year and a half. If he’s to reach restricted free agency, a team only has the rest of this year and next year to use him. If he plays 4 years on his current contract, he’ll be unrestricted.

And GLeague stats DO NOT MATTER. Indy had TJ Leaf and Gabe York and Oscar Tshiebwe absolutely CRUSH the GLeague, and it does not necessarily translate at all to the NBA. It’s a good sign, but doesn’t help his nba value at all.

3. I said the value is off. I was debating throwing in Terrance Shannon Jr, a current first. That said, Randle has a good deal (20 PPG with his track record doesn’t normally cost only 30,) and he is likely to opt in because the CBA is depressing the value of mid level stars.

I mean, I think you’re just still off. At its core, you’re off in basic meaning of the deal. And that’s the type of stuff that can’t be fixed with another pick or prospect.

4. The fit is the big question I guess. I still think Fox/Randle/Sabonis is a good big 3 offensively. Shannon is a defensive wing who is buried on our depth chart and might find himself in the Kings’ rotation right away. A first for Coby White plus resale on Hurter seems right. I don’t think it is a value steal on its face. I think it might need some help calibrating value.

I mean, if you ignore Keegan Murray, yeah, it probably seems pretty close? But a young combo forward that can play both ways, and still has the majority of his rookie contract is SUPER valuable. Like, more valuable than Randle, straight up. But in terms of fit, the style of play of having Sabonis, Randle, and DDR in the same lineup is insanely restrictive. Then, even if Randle starts hitting 3’s again, though he’s probably more of the 33-34% career shooter than that one 40+% season, he won’t have the gravity to pull defenders beyond the arc, as they’ll still allow him those shots and treat him like the career 34% shooter he is.

In terms of raw stats, it should seem like they’re all fine. But when you examine how and where each guy should ideally play, and they’re all overlapping each other and just hindering each other.

I think you hit the nails on the head. My valuation of Murray is low relative to current posters (Naz and Jaden are too valuable not to start, so I have Murray as a 6th man,) and I think that my opinion of Randle and how he plays based on the 25 games I have seen is different from yours. I see Randle as someone willing to create SOME OF THE TIME, but the rest of the time being the problem. Using Sabonis and his low basket gravity plus Fox’s quickness and gravity to create more opportunities for Randle would get him one on one more. When Randle is one on one that is when things tend to go his way and he can give 25+ on really efficient shooting. Miller at 1/3 of his 2nd year and Murray at 1/3 of his third year are about the same. If you toss in TSJ who was just drafted and arguably rotation ready, I think there is a value discrepancy coming back on your end as well. But that is fine, value is subjective, and clearly more people in this thread agree with you than me.

[Scoot McGroot]

Using Sabonis and his low basket gravity plus Fox’s quickness and gravity to create more opportunities for Randle would get him one on one more. When Randle is one on one that is when things tend to go his way and he can give 25+ on really efficient shooting.

Sabonis doesn’t just live down low in the post. And if he’s there, there’s absolutely no room for Randle to go one on one. He’d have an additional defender or two waiting to swallow him up. So when Randle wants to go one on one, he’s either got Sabonis right next to him on the perimeter, meaning he’s doubled to start, or he’s driving into Sabonis’ man. Or, Sabonis and Fox will be forced to play as off ball spot up shooters behind the arc to allow Randle to go one on one in the lane. None of those seem ideal?

Miller at 1/3 of his 2nd year and Murray at 1/3 of his third year are about the same. If you toss in TSJ who was just drafted and arguably rotation ready, I think there is a value discrepancy coming back on your end as well. But that is fine, value is subjective, and clearly more people in this thread agree with you than me.

I’m not a Kings fan. I’m a neutral here. But no. TSJ doesn’t bridge the gap between Murray/1st and Randle. Leonard Miller doesn’t really do much either. He’s worth a mid to late 2nd right now on the market. If Minnesota wants to reap value for him, they need to make it and play him to produce at the nba level.


Most of all, you’re just off that Sacramento wouldn’t be willing to include Murray at baseline for a Randle. Miller and Shannon doesn’t really help that. Sacramento also has young guards they like in Colby Jones, Keon Ellis, and Devin Carter, in addition to Fox and Monk. What Sacramento needs is a young, two way forward. They have that already in Murray.


Let’s just chalk it up to you don’t value Murray near what the rest of the market would, and accept that Minnesota won’t get him like this? Let alone also get Coby White.

[OGSactownballer]

This isn’t rough, it’s a garbage trade where the Kings get bent over.

We have zero use for Randle and he is quite possibly the worst fit imaginable of playable NBA players.