Should the Warriors make a trade?

[HiRez]

I can see them making a run at Zion, Lacob loves top 3 pick reclamation projects...Bogut, Wiggins, DLo, OPJ, KD (all right not exactly a reclamation)...

I'd absolutely do it, it probably wouldn't work, but neither is doing what they are now. Since they're committed to a last run or two with Steph, you gotta take a big swing and if you strike out, who cares? The upside with Zion is just massive [insert joke here]. As long as Loon and Dray and maybe TJD are here, Zion wouldn't have to play big minutes, or every game. Maybe he just needs a new full-time dietician (or team of them) to get him back on track.

[CDM_Stats]

I can see them making a run at Zion, Lacob loves top 3 pick reclamation projects...Bogut, Wiggins, DLo, OPJ, KD (all right not exactly a reclamation)...

I'd absolutely do it, it probably wouldn't work, but neither is doing what they are now. Since they're committed to a last run or two with Steph, you gotta take a big swing and if you strike out, who cares? The upside with Zion is just massive [insert joke here]. As long as Loon and Dray and maybe TJD are here, Zion wouldn't have to play big minutes, or every game. Maybe he just needs a new full-time dietician (or team of them) to get him back on track.

Schroder has not played a minute yet and Kerr is starting JK over Dray

If Kerr can't figure out a way to use the pieces correctly, why spend more assets? So we can pretend it was a bigger swing when its missed?

And in all these deals, Wiggins would be the guy going out... the guy who's been the 2nd best player on the team. He's bringing above average offense along with above average defense, one of the few 2 way guys we actually have, and he seems to be everyone's choice to get rid of for ill-fitting stars

We need more Wiggins', not less

[HiRez]

I can see them making a run at Zion, Lacob loves top 3 pick reclamation projects...Bogut, Wiggins, DLo, OPJ, KD (all right not exactly a reclamation)...

I'd absolutely do it, it probably wouldn't work, but neither is doing what they are now. Since they're committed to a last run or two with Steph, you gotta take a big swing and if you strike out, who cares? The upside with Zion is just massive [insert joke here]. As long as Loon and Dray and maybe TJD are here, Zion wouldn't have to play big minutes, or every game. Maybe he just needs a new full-time dietician (or team of them) to get him back on track.

Schroder has not played a minute yet and Kerr is starting JK over Dray

If Kerr can't figure out a way to use the pieces correctly, why spend more assets? So we can pretend it was a bigger swing when its missed?

And in all these deals, Wiggins would be the guy going out... the guy who's been the 2nd best player on the team. He's bringing above average offense along with above average defense, one of the few 2 way guys we actually have, and he seems to be everyone's choice to get rid of for ill-fitting stars

We need more Wiggins', not less

By all means, let's see what the team looks like with Schröder first. But I don't expect him to make an insane difference. His path will probably look a lot like Hield's, where he'll go on a crazy tear and be praised as "what we've been missing the whole time", then hit a slump, then revert to his career mean and we'll realize he's a decent role-player but somewhat erratic and not really a difference-maker in terms of reaching the NBA Finals. There's probably a reason these guys have bounced around multiple teams in the league.

I don't see Schröder solving the first/second scorer conundrum on a long-term basis the way guys like Butler/KD/Zion could (granted, almost anyone they could acquire probably has some baggage or reasons to be skeptical). On occasion he can do that, but he's never moved into the tier of guys who bring that every night. He's putting up big numbers for a bad Nets team through the first quarter of this season, but I doubt it's sustainable.

[floppymoose]

We need more Wiggins', not less

unless we are looking beyond this season.... Wiggins could be used in a trade to move more towards rebuilding.

[DonaldSanders]

I can see them making a run at Zion, Lacob loves top 3 pick reclamation projects...Bogut, Wiggins, DLo, OPJ, KD (all right not exactly a reclamation)...

I'd absolutely do it, it probably wouldn't work, but neither is doing what they are now. Since they're committed to a last run or two with Steph, you gotta take a big swing and if you strike out, who cares? The upside with Zion is just massive [insert joke here]. As long as Loon and Dray and maybe TJD are here, Zion wouldn't have to play big minutes, or every game. Maybe he just needs a new full-time dietician (or team of them) to get him back on track.

Schroder has not played a minute yet and Kerr is starting JK over Dray

If Kerr can't figure out a way to use the pieces correctly, why spend more assets? So we can pretend it was a bigger swing when its missed?

And in all these deals, Wiggins would be the guy going out... the guy who's been the 2nd best player on the team. He's bringing above average offense along with above average defense, one of the few 2 way guys we actually have, and he seems to be everyone's choice to get rid of for ill-fitting stars

We need more Wiggins', not less

I've been saying something similar to Hirez. So my question to you is -- do you really think adding just Dennis makes us a real contender for a championship? I don't see it. Steph will be 37 this playoffs, then 38. I doubt he can still be the man at 39. So if we punt this season because we didn't find the 'right' trade, you are now down to likely your last Steph #1 year.

Dray looks to be falling off more than Steph. Why not have him as a consideration in a trade? I doubt the FO would do it, but it should at least be thought about.

I'm all for letting these lineups cooking for awhile, we've got what 7-8 weeks before the deadline? No rush here, see what we have. All I have been saying about we should *consider* star trades (that don't blow a bunch of future picks/swaps) if weeks later we are still about the same level team we are now, why not swing for the fences? Curry has shown when he has a star around him, from Durant to the Olympics, he looks great. It's amazing what Steph did in '22 without a real 2nd option, but I don't think we can expect that of him anymore.

Butler for example is still a star. MJ & LeBron won their last FMVP at 35, which is Jimmy's age this year in the playoffs. I know Jimmy isn't on their level, but I wouldn't count him out based on his age. If you ignore the 12 role players ahead of Jimmy in Raptor, he's ranked #6, ahead of anyone on the Warriors. We're really only gunning for about 2 years anyway, same as if we had gotten PG before this season.

I find it interesting just how firmly out on even thinking about a Jimmy trade folks are, when we'd be clearly getting the best player in the trade whether it was Draymond (#142 in eRaptor w/ the adjustment) or Wiggins (#42) that went out. Almost always the team that gets the best player in the trade wins. If we're not throwing a bunch of post-Curry picks/swaps in, I don't see how folks can just dismiss it so quickly.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I can see them making a run at Zion, Lacob loves top 3 pick reclamation projects...Bogut, Wiggins, DLo, OPJ, KD (all right not exactly a reclamation)...

I'd absolutely do it, it probably wouldn't work, but neither is doing what they are now. Since they're committed to a last run or two with Steph, you gotta take a big swing and if you strike out, who cares? The upside with Zion is just massive [insert joke here]. As long as Loon and Dray and maybe TJD are here, Zion wouldn't have to play big minutes, or every game. Maybe he just needs a new full-time dietician (or team of them) to get him back on track.

Schroder has not played a minute yet and Kerr is starting JK over Dray

If Kerr can't figure out a way to use the pieces correctly, why spend more assets? So we can pretend it was a bigger swing when its missed?

And in all these deals, Wiggins would be the guy going out... the guy who's been the 2nd best player on the team. He's bringing above average offense along with above average defense, one of the few 2 way guys we actually have, and he seems to be everyone's choice to get rid of for ill-fitting stars

We need more Wiggins', not less

I've been saying something similar to Hirez. So my question to you is -- do you really think adding just Dennis makes us a real contender for a championship? I don't see it. Steph will be 37 this playoffs, then 38. I doubt he can still be the man at 39. So if we punt this season because we didn't find the 'right' trade, you are now down to likely your last Steph #1 year.

Dray looks to be falling off more than Steph. Why not have him as a consideration in a trade? I doubt the FO would do it, but it should at least be thought about.

I'm all for letting these lineups cooking for awhile, we've got what 7-8 weeks before the deadline? No rush here, see what we have. All I have been saying about we should *consider* star trades (that don't blow a bunch of future picks/swaps) if weeks later we are still about the same level team we are now, why not swing for the fences? Curry has shown when he has a star around him, from Durant to the Olympics, he looks great. It's amazing what Steph did in '22 without a real 2nd option, but I don't think we can expect that of him anymore.

Butler for example is still a star. MJ & LeBron won their last FMVP at 35, which is Jimmy's age this year in the playoffs. I know Jimmy isn't on their level, but I wouldn't count him out based on his age. If you ignore the 12 role players ahead of Jimmy in Raptor, he's ranked #6, ahead of anyone on the Warriors. We're really only gunning for about 2 years anyway, same as if we had gotten PG before this season.

I find it interesting just how firmly out on even thinking about a Jimmy trade folks are, when we'd be clearly getting the best player in the trade whether it was Draymond (#142 in eRaptor w/ the adjustment) or Wiggins (#42) that went out. Almost always the team that gets the best player in the trade wins. If we're not throwing a bunch of post-Curry picks/swaps in, I don't see how folks can just dismiss it so quickly.

Would you be comfortable giving up youth, depth, and a few picks to pay Jimmy 4/200?

Is a 38 yr old 3 person core making 150M per year with no picks and no youth seem workable?

Ignoring contracts and the war chest of assets to go out, how do you think it fits?

Jimmy is a 4. Dray is a 4. Jk is a 4. (Nets might not even want him due to that extension). We unload our 2 best perimeter defenders and have nothing to replace them with because we are capped out. Jimmy ain't chasing guards full court for 40 minutes in a play off game. And if schroeder is also included, that's 0 defensive players on the perimeter.

Warriors are best when they play fast. Jimmy is a slow it down half court guy. And spacing becomes an issue.

Jimmy is talented, no question and is the best player in any deal this year. But is he talented enough to overcome all these red flags? I wouldn't.

[DonaldSanders]

Would you be comfortable giving up youth, depth, and a few picks to pay Jimmy 4/200?

Is a 38 yr old 3 person core making 150M per year with no picks and no youth seem workable?

Ignoring contracts and the war chest of assets to go out, how do you think it fits?

Jimmy is a 4. Dray is a 4. Jk is a 4. (Nets might not even want him due to that extension). We unload our 2 best perimeter defenders and have nothing to replace them with because we are capped out. Jimmy ain't chasing guards full court for 40 minutes in a play off game. And if schroeder is also included, that's 0 defensive players on the perimeter.

Warriors are best when they play fast. Jimmy is a slow it down half court guy. And spacing becomes an issue.

Jimmy is talented, no question and is the best player in any deal this year. But is he talented enough to overcome all these red flags? I wouldn't.

At no point have I said to give up a war chest, in fact I said the opposite. I'm saying if the price is right and in the coming weeks we don't see significant improvement, it's possibly worth a shot. And I would not be sending out both Dray and Wiggins, so you're not sending out your best 2 defenders, it would be one of them.

The biggest weakness we've had the last 2 seasons is scoring against tough defense in the last half of the 4th. That's Jimmy's specialty. You'd also fix the non-Steph minutes by staggering them. The offense hasn't been working at the end of games, having a star that can just go and get a bucket, or free up Steph for a good look is quite valuable.

[CDM_Stats]

We need more Wiggins', not less

unless we are looking beyond this season.... Wiggins could be used in a trade to move more towards rebuilding.

I think with Curry's extension, rebuilding is off the table. At least for this year

[superunknown]

Lets get wild with defense and expand this with a Pelicans trade:

Kuminga/GP2/picks for Herb Jones/Matkovic

Steph / Schroder / Spencer
NAW / Podz
Herb / Buddy / Moody
Wiggins / Kyle / Santos
Dray / Loon / Matkovic

not bad idea, but I'd prefer trey murphy over herb jones in a trade with the pels.

I'm a big Trey fan as well (was my initial pick for #14 that year). But he has a poison pill contract that would make him virtually impossible to trade for.

what's that?

[CDM_Stats]

I've been saying something similar to Hirez. So my question to you is -- do you really think adding just Dennis makes us a real contender for a championship?

I think it's a better bet than gutting depth and likely adding pick compensation for Butler, yes

The team is built on motion offense and depth. It has a lot of potential in that regard. A team thats based around Curry/Butler/Dray is trying to follow a traditional concept that has never been the Warriors strength. Its desperate, and the wrong kind of it. The antithesis of what analytics would say. And honestly I think it would not only put the nail in the coffin for this year, but depending on what it costs and whether Butler's extended, would have more long-term damage too

The chance this team has at winning is with depth and gelling lineups together. When Curry/Klay/Dray were in their prime w/o KD, they had depth. When they won in 21-22, they had depth. A trade for Butler takes away at least Wiggins, and then who else goes with him? JK, our best straight line slasher? GP2, our best perimeter defender? Looney, our best C, rebounder and screener? Or Schroder, the guy who we got to keep Podz out of the PG role?

I'm not a fan of ripping the door off the hinges to cover a window. From my POV, an argument for Butler is no different than an argument for Vuc or Jonas or whatever.. it is surface level stats and looks bad against scrutiny. The bottom line is that the team is in Kerr's hands now, for better or worse. MDJ has provided excellent pieces that fit really well. If Kerr cannot use them, we're not going to win by consolidating into Butler and have a bunch of 30 somethings and scrubs either

[Onus]

I've been saying something similar to Hirez. So my question to you is -- do you really think adding just Dennis makes us a real contender for a championship?

I think it's a better bet than gutting depth and likely adding pick compensation for Butler, yes

The team is built on motion offense and depth. It has a lot of potential in that regard. A team thats based around Curry/Butler/Dray is trying to follow a traditional concept that has never been the Warriors strength. Its desperate, and the wrong kind of it. The antithesis of what analytics would say. And honestly I think it would not only put the nail in the coffin for this year, but depending on what it costs and whether Butler's extended, would have more long-term damage too

The chance this team has at winning is with depth and gelling lineups together. When Curry/Klay/Dray were in their prime w/o KD, they had depth. When they won in 21-22, they had depth. A trade for Butler takes away at least Wiggins, and then who else goes with him? JK, our best straight line slasher? GP2, our best perimeter defender? Looney, our best C, rebounder and screener? Or Schroder, the guy who we got to keep Podz out of the PG role?

I'm not a fan of ripping the door off the hinges to cover a window. From my POV, an argument for Butler is no different than an argument for Vuc or Jonas or whatever.. it is surface level stats and looks bad against scrutiny. The bottom line is that the team is in Kerr's hands now, for better or worse. MDJ has provided excellent pieces that fit really well. If Kerr cannot use them, we're not going to win by consolidating into Butler and have a bunch of 30 somethings and scrubs either

I really wish we had a coach that prioritizes winning over all these other objectives. This is how you know Kerr has been here too long and is too comfortable. He’s not judged based on winning games.

The regular season is basically a season long experiment placating egos rather than putting the best lineup on the floor. That’s what makes the last 2 seasons so frustrating. We don’t even know what our best looks like or how it matches up.

[Crazy-Canuck]

We missed our chance at a 2 in the offseason when we let cp3 walk. We could even have had lavine for peanuts.

Steph
Lavine
Wiggins
Dray
Loon

Looks good on paper

[TB]

not bad idea, but I'd prefer trey murphy over herb jones in a trade with the pels.

I'm a big Trey fan as well (was my initial pick for #14 that year). But he has a poison pill contract that would make him virtually impossible to trade for.

what's that?

He’s got an extension that kicks in starting next year, but still only making the 5m this year. So how it works for trades is that it counts for the pelicans as 5m going to the other team. But the other team it counts as an average of all years remaining, in this case 23m.

So if we send them contracts to cancel out that 23m it’s going to put them way over the apron. More often than not you need a 3rd team way under the cap to help out.

[floppymoose]

We need more Wiggins', not less

unless we are looking beyond this season.... Wiggins could be used in a trade to move more towards rebuilding.

I think with Curry's extension, rebuilding is off the table. At least for this year

Yah, I agree. It was more of an aspirational comment than an actual prediction.

[superunknown]

I'm a big Trey fan as well (was my initial pick for #14 that year). But he has a poison pill contract that would make him virtually impossible to trade for.

what's that?

He’s got an extension that kicks in starting next year, but still only making the 5m this year. So how it works for trades is that it counts for the pelicans as 5m going to the other team. But the other team it counts as an average of all years remaining, in this case 23m.

So if we send them contracts to cancel out that 23m it’s going to put them way over the apron. More often than not you need a 3rd team way under the cap to help out.

thanks for the explanation.

[HiRez]

Apparently Hawks are looking to trade Capela ($22M expiring), any interest? Salary might be hard to match without sending out Wiggins or having unbalanced amount of players. Seems like a good savvy vet to have, gives us more frontline size/length and rebounding, but he's still not old (30). Only thing I hate is adding another poor free-throw shooter.

Something like Slowmo, GP2, Podz for Capela + some kind of protected pick/swap compensation (since Capela is expiring)?

Curry / Schröder / Spencer
Hield / Waters / Moody
Wiggins / Moody / Waters
Draymond / Kuminga
Loon / Capela / TJD

Just feels like it simplifies the rotations for Kerr. Having Schröder running the backup unit will probably let Kuminga come off the bench and still do his thing effectively, and Capela gives him a vertical inside outlet when he gets in trouble. And it gets Draymond back in the starting lineup.

Of course our FO probably still values Podz as a future star, so it won't matter.

[wco81]

Nah I'd rather acquire Hunter from the Hawks instead of Capela, who plays little compared to Hunter.

[vvoland]

Apparently Hawks are looking to trade Capela ($22M expiring), any interest? Salary might be hard to match without sending out Wiggins or having unbalanced amount of players. Seems like a good savvy vet to have, gives us more frontline size/length and rebounding, but he's still not old (30). Only thing I hate is adding another poor free-throw shooter.

Something like Slowmo, GP2, Podz for Capela + some kind of protected pick/swap compensation (since Capela is expiring)?

Curry / Schröder / Spencer
Hield / Waters / Moody
Wiggins / Moody / Waters
Draymond / Kuminga
Loon / Capela / TJD

Just feels like it simplifies the rotations for Kerr. Having Schröder running the backup unit will probably let Kuminga come off the bench and still do his thing effectively, and Capela gives him a vertical inside outlet when he gets in trouble. And it gets Draymond back in the starting lineup.

Of course our FO probably still values Podz as a future star, so it won't matter.

I like Looney better than capela. Am I wrong? Maybe. But if loving Looney is wrong, I don't want to be right.

[vvoland]

BUT, what if we take slowmo + gp2 and add $15M (Schroeder + TJD) and get Zion for expiring contracts and a pick? I don't really want zion but if all he costs us is an expiring schroeder and a pick, why not? That's assuming we don't go 20-4 between now and Feb 5th.

[vagelis]

Warriors have to stop this madness and trade for a big.

There are so many guards on the roster without a reason.
And the worse is that they all have playing time.

Curry and Schroder have to split minutes.
Podziemski has to be out of the rotation.

Wiggins has to play sg and play Kuminga at the sf position or trade for a sf.
Wiggins has to get the ball more. Warriors have to realize that he has to get the ball more and not to insert more pgs in the lineup in order to take the ball away from him.

Curry and the team have to realize that he is declining.

Curry/Schroeder
Wiggins/Hield
Kuminga/Moody
Green/Kuminga
Starting Big/Looney