OT: 300 Terrabytes & Baby Oil- The Fall of "Diddy" Combs

[Spree2Houston]

You will soon find out who was really behind Tupac and Aaliyah’s death. IYKYK

[Spree2Houston]

Gay mafia in hip-hop?

Remember the poster Kane2021? He was trying to make hay in hip hop in the late 80s/90s and strongly alluded to this. He said that there were certain things that you had to do to break in that he wasn't willing to do and he wasn't the type to twist things.

I remember. He was talking about Red Velvet Mafia

[MrDollarBills]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/waXHhw-I9aw?app=desktop&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1dPn2NsDzRDPQMFEv9AAffTPnI9MjSt6K6EeIr-6V5Z2vaLpX-dIFnAc4_aem_qCh6CP0I3io5i1gDoLuapw

I think that Jay is dirty, but I'm not sure if this is proof of a crime. We don't know the context of this video clip.

[MrDollarBills]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna183435

Tony Buzbee going forward with this without corroborating these details is really bad, and does nothing but hurt the actual victims of these ass holes who have legitimate cases against them.

I hate ambulance chasers. Do you care about getting justice for actual rape victims or piling on as many plaintiffs as possible for more money?

[WargamesX]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna183435

Tony Buzbee going forward with this without corroborating these details is really bad, and does nothing but hurt the actual victims of these ass holes who have legitimate cases against them.

I hate ambulance chasers. Do you care about getting justice for actual rape victims or piling on as many plaintiffs as possible for more money?

I mean, once you know an initial settlement isn't happening, the goal is to get to discovery and see what you can find. As long as the case is somewhat plausible, he can go forward. The plaintiff just has to meet the burden of showing that it is plausible, which isn't a high threshold if this case has even the barest of evidence to support the claim. Once they get to discovery, that's when it gets real.

[Jalen Bluntson]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna183435

Tony Buzbee going forward with this without corroborating these details is really bad, and does nothing but hurt the actual victims of these ass holes who have legitimate cases against them.

I hate ambulance chasers. Do you care about getting justice for actual rape victims or piling on as many plaintiffs as possible for more money?

I mean, the goal is to discover and see what you can find. As long as the case is somewhat plausible, he can go forward. He just has to meet the burden of showing that it is plausible. Which isn't a high threshold if this case has even the barest of evidence to support the claim. Once they get to discovery, that's when it gets real.

Ummm, but nothing in that post is plausible or believable at all. Her own father that she tried to use as a witness shot her story down. Bringing false charges is also a crime BTW. All this does is waste the courts/police time when there are actual victims they need to deal with.

I can't say she's not an actual victim but, that post describes someone who looks like they lied about everything. The math isn't mathing.

[Fat Kat]

The woman and her attorney should be jailed for these obviously false allegations. If Busbey was indeed concerned about getting justice for rape victims, he should’ve helped Katie Johnson get justice. She accused his buddy Trump of raping her when she was 13. 26 accusations and not a peep from peanut gallery. Disgusting

[WargamesX]

Tony Buzbee going forward with this without corroborating these details is really bad, and does nothing but hurt the actual victims of these ass holes who have legitimate cases against them.

I hate ambulance chasers. Do you care about getting justice for actual rape victims or piling on as many plaintiffs as possible for more money?

I mean, the goal is to discover and see what you can find. As long as the case is somewhat plausible, he can go forward. He just has to meet the burden of showing that it is plausible. Which isn't a high threshold if this case has even the barest of evidence to support the claim. Once they get to discovery, that's when it gets real.

Ummm, but nothing in that post is plausible or believable at all. Her own father that she tried to use as a witness shot her story down. Bringing false charges is also a crime BTW. All this does is waste the courts/police time when there are actual victims they need to deal with.

I can't say she's not an actual victim but, that post describes someone who looks like they lied about everything. The math isn't mathing.

Sorry, I am not arguing that at all, and I won't lie or say I read the statement.

I was talking about procedural and what a lawyer's mindset is. I hate to say this, but most lawyers don't care if their side is right or wrong in civil cases. It's indoctrinated out of them by the time they are out of law school. For example, only 1% of cases ever go to trial because the procedural requirements kill them or the defendant settles. So even a lawyer who is fishing will start with the accusation and see if they can get the other side to settle to avoid public scrutiny and legal fees. If not as long as they could show it was plausible it can move forward. Her father, while not agreeing with her, kicks in during discovery, when Jay's lawyers might set him up to be a witness to testify to what he said prior so its not hearsay. Discovery is more or less the next step and a higher standard of scrutiny of the evidence.

So either the lawyer is betting on their being enough to get past the discovery phase, OR he is hoping Jay will just settle, especially if they have any evidence at all that muddies the situation. Look at the recent news of ABC settling with Trump. They could have fought it and may have won, but they did the math both from the case and a spiteful Trump and just settled. Most rich people would settle. Jay didn't because Jay is a public figure, and honestly, the way things are, you can't hope to settle to just avoid the mess. The nuance behind that move isn't discussed in the media any longer. Jay suing for defamation would mean he would have to say "look my character is known for being a model citizen and your attacks have hurt my character" and then Jay would have to prove it. Which makes me think Jay is very much innocent, but that is another step.

Once again I am not saying Jay did anything, I am just giving broad stroke of how the lawyer will approach the case and how Jay seems prepared to counter it.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I mean, the goal is to discover and see what you can find. As long as the case is somewhat plausible, he can go forward. He just has to meet the burden of showing that it is plausible. Which isn't a high threshold if this case has even the barest of evidence to support the claim. Once they get to discovery, that's when it gets real.

Ummm, but nothing in that post is plausible or believable at all. Her own father that she tried to use as a witness shot her story down. Bringing false charges is also a crime BTW. All this does is waste the courts/police time when there are actual victims they need to deal with.

I can't say she's not an actual victim but, that post describes someone who looks like they lied about everything. The math isn't mathing.

Sorry, I am not arguing that at all, and I won't lie or say I read the statement.

I was talking about procedural and what a lawyer's mindset is. I hate to say this, but most lawyers don't care if their side is right or wrong in civil cases. It's indoctrinated out of them by the time they are out of law school. For example, only 1% of cases ever go to trial because the procedural requirements kill them or the defendant settles. So even a lawyer who is fishing will start with the accusation and see if they can get the other side to settle to avoid public scrutiny and legal fees. If not as long as they could show it was plausible it can move forward. Her father, while not agreeing with her, kicks in during discovery, when Jay's lawyers might set him up to be a witness to testify to what he said prior so its not hearsay. Discovery is more or less the next step and a higher standard of scrutiny of the evidence.

So either the lawyer is betting on their being enough to get past the discovery phase, OR he is hoping Jay will just settle, especially if they have any evidence at all that muddies the situation. Look at the recent news of ABC settling with Trump. They could have fought it and may have won, but they did the math both from the case and a spiteful Trump and just settled. Most rich people would settle. Jay didn't because Jay is a public figure, and honestly, the way things are, you can't hope to settle to just avoid the mess. The nuance behind that move isn't discussed in the media any longer. Jay suing for defamation would mean he would have to say "look my character is known for being a model citizen and your attacks have hurt my character" and then Jay would have to prove it. Which makes me think Jay is very much innocent, but that is another step.

Once again I am not saying Jay did anything, I am just giving broad stroke of how the lawyer will approach the case and how Jay seems prepared to counter it.

Sorry. I stopped reading after you said you didn't read the statement. I didn't realize you were completely out of context and just trying to give a law lesson for some reason. Confusing to say the least

Even in civil trials...you have to have something of substance to scare the defendant. Go back and read that statement and tell me you would even try to bring that case against someone. It's a complete mess of what seem like lies. I don't even know why you would offer an opinion without actually reading the post you replied to.

[WargamesX]

Tony Buzbee going forward with this without corroborating these details is really bad, and does nothing but hurt the actual victims of these ass holes who have legitimate cases against them.

I hate ambulance chasers. Do you care about getting justice for actual rape victims or piling on as many plaintiffs as possible for more money?

I mean, the goal is to discover and see what you can find. As long as the case is somewhat plausible, he can go forward. He just has to meet the burden of showing that it is plausible. Which isn't a high threshold if this case has even the barest of evidence to support the claim. Once they get to discovery, that's when it gets real.

Ummm, but nothing in that post is plausible or believable at all. Her own father that she tried to use as a witness shot her story down. Bringing false charges is also a crime BTW. All this does is waste the courts/police time when there are actual victims they need to deal with.

I can't say she's not an actual victim but, that post describes someone who looks like they lied about everything. The math isn't mathing.

That isn’t how the law works, and it’s because of how the law does work that lawyers like Buzbee go fishing, because early on they can avoid dismissal with very little evidence.

The plaintiff does have to provide some sort of evidence to support their claim and show it’s plausible. A very low standard, so while it could be still be dismissed based on a lack of evidence but for where they are at in the process it’s not easy. For what her father said, it is basically hearsay, since he wasn't said under oath when he said it and it’s related to the truth of her not being where she claims, so it cannot be used to dismiss the case. Nor could the two artists saying they were in NY that night for the same reason.

When then get to the next stage with where the requirements for the case to not be dismissed goes up a lot of the gaps in the story will hurt her, until then her lawyer is going to say she was 13, the person who drove her to the party died, the detailed description is from the defendant and her word versus his, plus Diddy is an accused sexual predator. The depositions will likely sink her but that is discovery, so what I said might be enough.

I say all that to say, you are probably right, but her story has enough leeway I could see it surviving up to discovery. That’s the point you have to provide some hard evidence and not just stories which maybe could have happened. During the time from this story breaking until then Jay-Z’s reputation is being attacked. He’s wise to do a defamation suit, cause it might lead to the case being dropped by the lawyer sooner. but all that takes time for rumors to spread.

Which is the equation that fishing lawyers base their careers on. How much time and money is someone willing to spend fighting me compared to the lesser sum of both to end the case and avoid embarrassment. People rather not go through all this trouble, and public embarrassment. I think Jay fights it because he can take the time to waste the money and at this point he is more of a public figure than he is a rapper.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I mean, the goal is to discover and see what you can find. As long as the case is somewhat plausible, he can go forward. He just has to meet the burden of showing that it is plausible. Which isn't a high threshold if this case has even the barest of evidence to support the claim. Once they get to discovery, that's when it gets real.

Ummm, but nothing in that post is plausible or believable at all. Her own father that she tried to use as a witness shot her story down. Bringing false charges is also a crime BTW. All this does is waste the courts/police time when there are actual victims they need to deal with.

I can't say she's not an actual victim but, that post describes someone who looks like they lied about everything. The math isn't mathing.

That isn’t how the law works, and it’s because of how the law does work that lawyers like Buzbee go fishing, because early on they can avoid dismissal with very little evidence.

The plaintiff does have to provide some sort of evidence to support their claim and show it’s plausible. A very low standard, so while it could be still be dismissed based on a lack of evidence but for where they are at in the process it’s not easy. For what her father said, it is basically hearsay, since he wasn't said under oath when he said it and it’s related to the truth of her not being where she claims, so it cannot be used to dismiss the case. Nor could the two artists saying they were in NY that night for the same reason.

When then get to the next stage with where the requirements for the case to not be dismissed goes up a lot of the gaps in the story will hurt her, until then her lawyer is going to say she was 13, the person who drove her to the party died, the detailed description is from the defendant and her word versus his, plus Diddy is an accused sexual predator. The depositions will likely sink her but that is discovery, so what I said might be enough.

I say all that to say, you are probably right, but her story has enough leeway I could see it surviving up to discovery. That’s the point you have to provide some hard evidence and not just stories which maybe could have happened. During the time from this story breaking until then Jay-Z’s reputation is being attacked. He’s wise to do a defamation suit, cause it might lead to the case being dropped by the lawyer sooner. but all that takes time for rumors to spread.

Which is the equation that fishing lawyers base their careers on. How much time and money is someone willing to spend fighting me compared to the lesser sum of both to end the case and avoid embarrassment. People rather not go through all this trouble, and public embarrassment. I think Jay fights it because he can take the time to waste the money and at this point he is more of a public figure than he is a rapper.

I understand all that. I have a decent understanding of how the law works but, not so much for civil matters. Reading that statement though, it's ridiculous that lawyers do things like this when the story makes no sense. I hate thinking she's lying but, that story doesn't add up on any level. I don't know how that statement was released but. If they go public like this and it is dismissed, doesn't that open up a defamation suit?

[Tomato Sauce]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/waXHhw-I9aw?app=desktop&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1dPn2NsDzRDPQMFEv9AAffTPnI9MjSt6K6EeIr-6V5Z2vaLpX-dIFnAc4_aem_qCh6CP0I3io5i1gDoLuapw

I think that Jay is dirty, but I'm not sure if this is proof of a crime. We don't know the context of this video clip.

Prodigy is dead because of Jay Z. Listen to the song D’Evils. If it wasn’t jays doing, he at least foretold it.

[NYKinMIA]

I still think that the thread title would make a great name for the documentary.

"300 Terabytes and Baby Oil"

[Jeffrey]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/waXHhw-I9aw?app=desktop&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1dPn2NsDzRDPQMFEv9AAffTPnI9MjSt6K6EeIr-6V5Z2vaLpX-dIFnAc4_aem_qCh6CP0I3io5i1gDoLuapw

I think that Jay is dirty, but I'm not sure if this is proof of a crime. We don't know the context of this video clip.

You think or know... wasn't the case that Jay had already started to lick his lips when Beyonce was in her teens?

[MrDollarBills]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/waXHhw-I9aw?app=desktop&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1dPn2NsDzRDPQMFEv9AAffTPnI9MjSt6K6EeIr-6V5Z2vaLpX-dIFnAc4_aem_qCh6CP0I3io5i1gDoLuapw

I think that Jay is dirty, but I'm not sure if this is proof of a crime. We don't know the context of this video clip.

You think or know... wasn't the case that Jay had already started to lick his lips when Beyonce was in her teens?

"Think". I think. I don't know.

Jay allegedly was smashing Foxy Brown when she was way underage and I think Beyonce was 18 when he first started messing with her. I'm the same age as Bey, so Jay had to be in his 30s when he met her. I can only speak for myself but when I was 30 I had no interest in talking to girls that young. That's nasty, I don't care how grown she looked in 1999.

Also, something stuck with me. I recall Dame Dash talking about how they were all over Aaliyah back when she was alive because she was "easy to f*ck". She was barely an adult, and she was the victim of a pedophile...who Jay Z was friends with , did a highly publicized album with, and went touring with.

Again, I have no evidence that Jay was done anything wrong or criminal. I think Tony Buzbee should be disbarred for bringing forth someone with claims that he didn't even bother to corroborate because it harms actual victims of Puffy and anyone else who was raping young girls and BOYS with him.

But with the way dudes used to move back in those days...I wouldn't be surprised.

[knicks94]

Double!

[thebuzzardman]

It goes off the rails, but the Behind The Bastards podcast has a 3 part series on how much of scumbag Diddy was/is. I'm sure there are better versions, but it's pretty chilling.