Draymond off the Bench is a Disaster

[Onus]

Kerr says we're at our best with Dray at the 4, Dray's at his best at the 4. But JK has to play. How many more games do we start JK at the 4?

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False!!! All numbers indicates that we are at our best when he is at the 5.

In last two seasons

GSW +7.98 nrtg Green at 5
GSW +2.21 nrtg Green at 4

and

GSW Curry/guard/Wiggs/Kuminga/Green +16.34nrtg

Also who cares waht he says? It looks more and more that he doesn't know what he is doing. GSW in last 10 games 2W and 8L. Kerr used 57 different units in 4 quaters in this period. f..g 57 untis!!!! Players are confused, they lose their ritm and don't understand their roles.

I can agree with you that Kerr doesn't understand lineups and matchups. Unfortunately he's our coach for the foreseeable future.

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[Twinkie defense]

All numbers indicates that we are at our best when he is at the 5.

In last two seasons

GSW +7.98 nrtg Green at 5
GSW +2.21 nrtg Green at 4

and

GSW Curry/guard/Wiggs/Kuminga/Green +16.34nrtg

Draymond has always been best for the Warriors at the five. That's where he played best in all those dominant Championship teams, as part of the Death Lineups. But remember even those years Draymond started the game at the four, alongside Bogut, Looney, etc.

And now he'll be turning 35 this season and has taken a beating over 800+ games. Warriors want to save his remaining juice at center as much as possible for whet it really counts - closing games, playoffs - instead of using him up in regular season games in December. Or at least against the centers who aren't big bruisers.

If you start Draymond at the four and move him to the five to close that doesn't leave much time for Kuminga. And maybe that's ok? Or maybe, as many would say, at some point you have to give Kuminga a chance to elevate his game - or fail.

It's not a perfect situation but I think it makes sense.

[SpreeS]

All numbers indicates that we are at our best when he is at the 5.

In last two seasons

GSW +7.98 nrtg Green at 5
GSW +2.21 nrtg Green at 4

and

GSW Curry/guard/Wiggs/Kuminga/Green +16.34nrtg

Draymond has always been best for the Warriors at the five. That's where he played best in all those dominant Championship teams, as part of the Death Lineups. But remember even those years Draymond started the game at the four, alongside Bogut, Looney, etc.

And now he'll be turning 35 this season and has taken a beating over 800+ games. Warriors want to save his remaining juice at center as much as possible for whet it really counts - closing games, playoffs - instead of using him up in regular season games in December. Or at least against the centers who aren't big bruisers.

If you start Draymond at the four and move him to the five to close that doesn't leave much time for Kuminga. And maybe that's ok? Or maybe, as many would say, at some point you have to give Kuminga a change to elevate his game - or fail.

It's not a perfect situation but I think it makes sense.

The League changes fast and drastically. I dont even talk about midd 10ies, even from 2022 where are differences

Lg ortg

16 106.4
22 112.0
24 115.2

Looney/Green are old, undersized, slow and the worst offensive front duo in NBA. This lineup doesn’t work 2nd year in a row.

[Twinkie defense]

Looney/Green are old, undersized, slow and the worst offensive front duo in NBA. This lineup doesn’t work 2nd year in a row.

I agree that's not a great offensive frontcourt, which is especially a problem when you put other offensively-limited players around them, like Kuminga and Wiggins. If you're gonna play those two together I think you want three shooters around them.

[SpreeS]

Looney/Green are old, undersized, slow and the worst offensive front duo in NBA. This lineup doesn’t work 2nd year in a row.

I agree that's not a great offensive frontcourt, which is especially a problem when you put other offensively-limited players around them, like Kuminga and Wiggins. If you're gonna play those two together I think you want three shooters around them.

You need at least two offensive hubs like Curry/Edwards/Mitchell/Booker plus volume shooter like Klay. Just shooters won’t help you with this front court, b/c now everyone has shooters with better scoring front courts.

So where is no point to play them together. Or you get center with skills combination of scoring/shooting/defence to Green or you play him at C position. If he cant play 30min, then play him 20min.

[CDM_Stats]

Looney/Green are old, undersized, slow and the worst offensive front duo in NBA. This lineup doesn’t work 2nd year in a row.

I agree that's not a great offensive frontcourt, which is especially a problem when you put other offensively-limited players around them, like Kuminga and Wiggins. If you're gonna play those two together I think you want three shooters around them.

The top 3 lineups with Dray/Looney are all positive, despite their net together being a -6.6

Curry/Hield/Wiggins +24
Curry/Podz/Wiggins +43
Curry/Podz/Waters +8

Which is weird, because it would take a monumentally bad 4th lineup and below to make ohhh. Oh ****.

Podz/Hield/Wiggins -97

Play them with Steph, obviously. Or like some of us have been yelling for a while, Steph/Hield/Wiggins

[CDM_Stats]

Looney/Green are old, undersized, slow and the worst offensive front duo in NBA. This lineup doesn’t work 2nd year in a row.

I agree that's not a great offensive frontcourt, which is especially a problem when you put other offensively-limited players around them, like Kuminga and Wiggins. If you're gonna play those two together I think you want three shooters around them.

You need at least two offensive hubs like Curry/Edwards/Mitchell/Booker plus volume shooter like Klay. Just shooters won’t help you with this front court, b/c now everyone has shooters with better scoring front courts.

So where is no point to play them together. Or you get center with skills combination of scoring/shooting/defence to Green or you play him at C position. If he cant play 30min, then play him 20min.

Well as I showed just above, the Steph/Hield/Wiggins trio with Dray/Looney has been solid. But very, very limited amount of possessions and Kerr doesnt seem eager to try it out. Those 20 possessions are spread through 6 games.

But I definitely agree with the idea that if Dray can only play 20min and most of them are at C, why not? That's the whole point of depth

[SpreeS]

I agree that's not a great offensive frontcourt, which is especially a problem when you put other offensively-limited players around them, like Kuminga and Wiggins. If you're gonna play those two together I think you want three shooters around them.

You need at least two offensive hubs like Curry/Edwards/Mitchell/Booker plus volume shooter like Klay. Just shooters won’t help you with this front court, b/c now everyone has shooters with better scoring front courts.

So where is no point to play them together. Or you get center with skills combination of scoring/shooting/defence to Green or you play him at C position. If he cant play 30min, then play him 20min.

Well as I showed just above, the Steph/Hield/Wiggins trio with Dray/Looney has been solid. But very, very limited amount of possessions and Kerr doesnt seem eager to try it out. Those 20 possessions are spread through 6 games.

But I definitely agree with the idea that if Dray can only play 20min and most of them are at C, why not? That's the whole point of depth

You are talking about 20 possessions and I am talking about 960 poss unit with +16.34nrtg (Green/Kuminga/Wiggs/guard/Curry). What do we compare here?

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Draymond off the Bench is a Disaster

[CDM_Stats]

You need at least two offensive hubs like Curry/Edwards/Mitchell/Booker plus volume shooter like Klay. Just shooters won’t help you with this front court, b/c now everyone has shooters with better scoring front courts.

So where is no point to play them together. Or you get center with skills combination of scoring/shooting/defence to Green or you play him at C position. If he cant play 30min, then play him 20min.

Well as I showed just above, the Steph/Hield/Wiggins trio with Dray/Looney has been solid. But very, very limited amount of possessions and Kerr doesnt seem eager to try it out. Those 20 possessions are spread through 6 games.

But I definitely agree with the idea that if Dray can only play 20min and most of them are at C, why not? That's the whole point of depth

You are talking about 20 possessions and I am talking about 960 poss unit with +16.34nrtg (Green/Kuminga/Wiggs/guard/Curry). What do we compare here?

That its this year vs last year? Or that just because its a limited dataset doesnt mean its not worth drilling down.. what would the Hield lineup have to do in those limited possessions to be worth more time? Because if a net +24 isnt enough, nothing would be

Also speaks more to the point that Dray/Looney does work, never stopped working except when Klay completely melted down

[SpreeS]

Well as I showed just above, the Steph/Hield/Wiggins trio with Dray/Looney has been solid. But very, very limited amount of possessions and Kerr doesnt seem eager to try it out. Those 20 possessions are spread through 6 games.

But I definitely agree with the idea that if Dray can only play 20min and most of them are at C, why not? That's the whole point of depth

You are talking about 20 possessions and I am talking about 960 poss unit with +16.34nrtg (Green/Kuminga/Wiggs/guard/Curry). What do we compare here?

That its this year vs last year? Or that just because its a limited dataset doesnt mean its not worth drilling down.. what would the Hield lineup have to do in those limited possessions to be worth more time? Because if a net +24 isnt enough, nothing would be

Also speaks more to the point that Dray/Looney does work, never stopped working except when Klay completely melted down

In this case we could try a lot of units with good netrtg with 20 poss. We have unit which is working for two years. So why we don’t play them as main unit.