12/19: Game 26 Warriors 14-11 @ Grizzlies 18-9 5:00pm PST

[Crazy-Canuck]

At least podz woke up and wiggins continues being the best player.

Wiggins is having a big time year.. if he keeps the offense up and they play the Wiggins/Dray/Looney trio more, his metrics will keep spiking too. His defensive impact peaks then

And honestly, time is not on their side. Dray's been teasing a big decline defensively for about a month. His perimeter defense has dropped a lot and his closeout rate is the worst since theyve started tracking it

Steph was having trouble getting separation, I was getting klay flashbacks during the game.

Re: steph, I really think it was olympics that is causing him to struggle. Hes looked tired since the season started.

I know many will disagree, but might be time to lean on Wiggins little bit more. We tried giving jk a 30 usg and the most shots, couldn't hurt to let Wiggins have a go at it.

Dray, I don't know what's going on with him. His defense looked cooked this game.

Starting line up: it looks discombobulated. They were trying to give Schroeder some pnr opportunities but kerr kept putting Dray or loon as the screener/roller. Amd like I mentioned in another thread, Schroeder will drive, but he isn't a great finisher. It gets compounded with dray and loon. It's a style issue much like it was with jk.

Path forward has to be to lean into the motion more with steph, heild, wiggs, dray, and loon with the starters, not less.

The bench can play a more traditional pnr game without dray. I'd consider bringing up post as a pick and pop threat because tjd continues to look rough.

Lastly, we need to shorten the rotation. Let guys start getting comfortable.

Steph/Schroeder
Heild/podz
Wiggins/moody
Dray/jk
Loon/slomo

10 man rotation and stick with it.

[DonaldSanders]

One, it was 1 game. And like I said, guess you learned nothing from your 1st time

Two, I said Schroder was a better bet than Butler to help the team.

Your slide into trolling and inability to read what I'm writing is all on you man, good luck with that

I'm not going to get into it with you tonight, this was a rough game for your view. You should be able to laugh about the outcome tonight...like what was I thinking? Of course Dennis wouldn't change that much... that kind of stuff. And I would laugh with you.

I'd love for you to be right, if you are, you can quote me later and I will be very happy to apologize. I've learned a lot from you, but you don't seem to take your viewpoint being challenged well.

Nowhere have I said we were a contender. My pre-season prediction was us losing in the 2nd round, so there couldn't be much of a victory lap to take. Told you guys we could win a 1st round series!!

[CDM_Stats]

I know many will disagree, but might be time to lean on Wiggins little bit more. We tried giving jk a 30 usg and the most shots, couldn't hurt to let Wiggins have a go at it.

I'm not necessarily against it, but you'd want Hield with him to keep those lanes open as possible, especially if Dray and Looney are on the court. And plus Hield could give Wiggins a break some nights and be the #2 scorer when he's feeling it..

Starting line up: it looks discombobulated. They were trying to give Schroeder some pnr opportunities but kerr kept putting Dray or loon as the screener/roller. Amd like I mentioned in another thread, Schroeder will drive, but he isn't a great finisher. It gets compounded with dray and loon. It's a style issue much like it was with jk.
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Also just a pretty crazy idea to drop a non-motion PG into a motion offense and just think it'll be smooth. The point of Schroder is running PnRs with JK or TJD or even GP2, guys who are threats to explode out of a screen. Dray and Looney are good partners for Steph because they just need to give him daylight.. Schroder needs the threat of a roller. Look forward to see him with more of the backups.. though I can see some upside of him with the starters. There were open looks and a defense more willing to collapse than we've seen in the past.

But a good example of why the team hardly ever made additions midseason.. motion offense is about feel and it takes time to get on the same page with new players. Itd be nice if it works out but that shouldnt be the goal with Schroder, leading the backups should be

[CDM_Stats]

One, it was 1 game. And like I said, guess you learned nothing from your 1st time

Two, I said Schroder was a better bet than Butler to help the team.

Your slide into trolling and inability to read what I'm writing is all on you man, good luck with that

I'm not going to get into it with you tonight, this was a rough game for your view. You should be able to laugh about the outcome tonight...like what was I thinking? Of course Dennis wouldn't change that much... that kind of stuff. And I would laugh with you.

I'd love for you to be right, if you are, you can quote me later and I will be very happy to apologize. I've learned a lot from you, but you don't seem to take your viewpoint being challenged well.

Nowhere have I said we were a contender. My pre-season prediction was us losing in the 2nd round, so there couldn't be much of a victory lap to take. Told you guys we could win a 1st round series!!

lol ok man, I'm not trolling on day 1 but I appreciate your assessment of how I act when my viewpoint is challenged. I'm sorry that I dont like Butler on the team, I guess? Really not sure what it is but I'd rather just ignore it til the maturity gets back

[DonaldSanders]

lol ok man, I'm not trolling on day 1 but I appreciate your assessment of how I act when my viewpoint is challenged. I'm sorry that I dont like Butler on the team, I guess? Really not sure what it is but I'd rather just ignore it til the maturity gets back

I guess I'll let you cool off. G'night.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I know many will disagree, but might be time to lean on Wiggins little bit more. We tried giving jk a 30 usg and the most shots, couldn't hurt to let Wiggins have a go at it.

I'm not necessarily against it, but you'd want Hield with him to keep those lanes open as possible, especially if Dray and Looney are on the court. And plus Hield could give Wiggins a break some nights and be the #2 scorer when he's feeling it..

Starting line up: it looks discombobulated. They were trying to give Schroeder some pnr opportunities but kerr kept putting Dray or loon as the screener/roller. Amd like I mentioned in another thread, Schroeder will drive, but he isn't a great finisher. It gets compounded with dray and loon. It's a style issue much like it was with jk.
.

Also just a pretty crazy idea to drop a non-motion PG into a motion offense and just think it'll be smooth. The point of Schroder is running PnRs with JK or TJD or even GP2, guys who are threats to explode out of a screen. Dray and Looney are good partners for Steph because they just need to give him daylight.. Schroder needs the threat of a roller. Look forward to see him with more of the backups.. though I can see some upside of him with the starters. There were open looks and a defense more willing to collapse than we've seen in the past.

But a good example of why the team hardly ever made additions midseason.. motion offense is about feel and it takes time to get on the same page with new players. Itd be nice if it works out but that shouldnt be the goal with Schroder, leading the backups should be

It's why I have heild starting. Heild should only be allowed to move, shoot, or swing the ball. Nothing else.

We lack trust and cohesion on both sides of the ball. That's our issue, more than just talent.

Abd if we do run pnr with starters, I'd run a 2 man gane of wiggins/steph. I'd bet the results are really good.

Wiggs/steph inverted pnr.
Wiggs screen for steph.
Wiggs pindiwn screen for steph and dive
Steph back screen for wiggins.
Wiggs drive and kick to steph.

[CDM_Stats]

It's why I have heild starting. Heild should only be allowed to move, shoot, or swing the ball. Nothing else.

We lack trust and cohesion on both sides of the ball. That's our issue, more than just talent.

Abd if we do run pnr with starters, I'd run a 2 man gane of wiggins/steph. I'd bet the results are really good.

Wiggs/steph inverted pnr.
Wiggs screen for steph.
Wiggs pindiwn screen for steph and dive
Steph back screen for wiggins.
Wiggs drive and kick to steph.

I'd have to find out, but I'd wager that a Steph/Wiggins PnR is working a lot better with only one of Dray/Looney on the court.. and I'd also wager its higher with Dray than Looney. Steph's getting pretty lax with his PnR passing and Looney's man would have no issue leaving him, unless he's under the rim

Not a huge fan of PnR with the projected starters, but I definitely think we need to go away from Dray as a screener more than we are. Take advantage of his new range and camp him out there more.. if he keeps hitting, Wiggins or Looney could find him off the roll. But its a big if

[Crazy-Canuck]

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[Old_Blue]

Those of you who contributed to this fiasco - even if you merely watched the game - should be ashamed of yourselves. I have an alibi. I was out Christmas shopping.

[whatisacenter]

That was absolutely brutal to watch.

Lol at Draymond needing to be back in the starting rotation to set a tone to start the game.

Steph and Draymond look so old this season it's sad.

I really hope that the FO is smart enough to not trade Wiggins and picks for some delusional shot at a title this season.

[ILOVEIT]

For all you guys saying we don't need size....size isn't the issue bla bla bla. Tonight is what it looks like when a bigger team makes the Warriors look like little punks. The reason Kerr goes tiny is because it's the only way there's a chance of winning. Warriors didn't quit or not come to play....they got destroyed by a bigger way more athletic team. Period.

Warriors were pushed around, couldn't get to the rim...and on the other end Memphis just dominated 35 year old 6'6" Draymond and the loveable 6'9" sloth Looney.

For F's sake, wake up. We're a midget team and all Schroder did was add a 6'1 guard next to an already tiny starting 5.

[HiRez]

Blow this **** up

[cpower]

Steph needs to shoot more, his FGA per 36 has been the worst in 10 years.

if you dont want him to shoot more, then trade him. Our offense is terrible because the best shooter of all time is deferring to Podz

[whatisacenter]

Steph needs to shoot more, his FGA per 36 has been the worst in 10 years.

if you dont want him to shoot more, then trade him. Our offense is terrible because the best shooter of all time is deferring to Podz

Did you watch the game last night?

[cpower]

Steph needs to shoot more, his FGA per 36 has been the worst in 10 years.

if you dont want him to shoot more, then trade him. Our offense is terrible because the best shooter of all time is deferring to Podz

Did you watch the game last night?

i did, he does not want to play...as FO, you ask why, do you want to trade away JK/Podz for vets or do you want to be traded to another team? he looks uninterested out there.

One interesting stat, the only rotation players shooting better than 36% for threes: Curry Hield Wiggins Green.

[vvoland]

It was hubris to start schroeder next to steph and expect him to fit seamlessly right away. It makes sense, if only in hindsight (not to CDM, to be fair), to start Schroeder on the bench and, if necessary and the numbers show it, bring him into the starting lineup as he and Curry gel. I also wanted to see more creation next to Steph but to start him in the first game, even after a few practices, seemed a bit quick.

I wonder if they'll keep him as the starter, if only to avoid looking reactionary, or if they try the Hield + Looney lineup CDM and others have been calling for. After Buddy's performance the other day (lost on defense, careless on offense), Kerr may be further away than ever but considering they got blown out by 60, maybe not.