Terrence Shannon Jr

[shrink]

When Tim Connelly picked Shannon with the #27 pick this summer, it looked like he might have found another late draft NBA player. The 6-6, fifth year senior SG from Illinois immediately scored 25 and 19 in his first two Summer League games, and his physical ability to get to the rim and score through defenders looked like a smart pick up to eventually back up Ant at SG.

Unfortunately for Shannon, the addition of DiVincenzo, and NAW becoming too indispensable for MIN to lose in free agency has probably set up road blocks for his career if he stays in Minnesota. These days he only gets garbage time minutes in blowouts, and his game is too experienced for the G League to help him much

What teams could be interested in trade? He turned 24 last month, but he’s just starting his rookie scale deal. MIN could use some future, low value late pick, or a back up center that makes less than $2.5

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/terrence-shannonjr-1.html

[Consequence]

TSJr for Duop Reath?

[wemby]

TSJr for Duop Reath?

Sounds reasonable. I mean, he looked good in summer league, but he's proven nothing in the league so far and he's 24 and a half already. Under those circumstances yeah, Duop Reath or maybe a couple second rounders. If he produces at the NBA level, then his value skyrockets but TWolves don't trade him, so it's a tricky situation.

[shrink]

TSJr for Duop Reath?

I think that’s reasonable too. I’d probably ask that POR toss in MIN’s mediocre 2027 2nd as well, with Shannon four years younger and locked into the first round rookie scale, but that’s probably no big deal. I like that this trade gives both players an opportunity to advance their careers without being blocked at crowded positions on their current team.

[Scoot McGroot]

TSJr for Duop Reath?

I think that’s reasonable too. I’d probably ask that POR toss in MIN’s mediocre 2027 2nd as well, with Shannon four years younger and locked into the first round rookie scale, but that’s probably no big deal. I like that this trade gives both players an opportunity to advance their careers without being blocked at crowded positions on their current team.

Adding Reath while still having Randle, Gobert, and Naz Reid would just be crowding another position too, no?

[jayjaysee]

I think you sit on Shanon. At least until you know if NAW is on the 2025 roster. Nothing wrong with a red shirt rookie season.

But would think you’d find a team to trade two not good seconds for him pretty easily.

[shrink]

TSJr for Duop Reath?

I think that’s reasonable too. I’d probably ask that POR toss in MIN’s mediocre 2027 2nd as well, with Shannon four years younger and locked into the first round rookie scale, but that’s probably no big deal. I like that this trade gives both players an opportunity to advance their careers without being blocked at crowded positions on their current team.

Adding Reath while still having Randle, Gobert, and Naz Reid would just be crowding another position too, no?

Actually, Rudy is the only center on the roster. When Naz got here as an undrafted free agent, he was a pudgy 270 and center was probably the only position he could play at an NBA level. However, he saw with Towns, and eventually Rudy at center, he would never get major minutes to show his talent, and he (and Luka Garza too) redesigned their bodies to be big wings, Naz is probably 230 now, Garza 235, and while Naz is a PF, he’d actually be better as a SF than a C. He plays some C now out of necessity, but MIN really needs another option. MIN is dominating in the Rudy minutes, but when he sits, or if he ever misses time, MIN needs a back up center. I don’t trust Randle to play center.

[wolves_89]

I think you sit on Shanon. At least until you know if NAW is on the 2025 roster. Nothing wrong with a red shirt rookie season.

But would think you’d find a team to trade two not good seconds for him pretty easily.

Keeping Shannon makes the most sense to me as well. There are no guarantees that NAW will be back and for whatever reason DiVincenzo's shooting has never been able to get on track in Minnesota. Add in the fact that Conley is nearing the end and there are plenty of scenarios where TJ finds his way into the rotation.

[Scoot McGroot]

I think that’s reasonable too. I’d probably ask that POR toss in MIN’s mediocre 2027 2nd as well, with Shannon four years younger and locked into the first round rookie scale, but that’s probably no big deal. I like that this trade gives both players an opportunity to advance their careers without being blocked at crowded positions on their current team.

Adding Reath while still having Randle, Gobert, and Naz Reid would just be crowding another position too, no?

Actually, Rudy is the only center on the roster. When Naz got here as an undrafted free agent, he was a pudgy 270 and center was probably the only position he could play at an NBA level. However, he saw with Towns, and eventually Rudy at center, he would never get major minutes to show his talent, and he (and Luka Garza too) redesigned their bodies to be big wings, Naz is probably 230 now, Garza 235, and while Naz is a PF, he’d actually be better as a SF than a C. He plays some C now out of necessity, but MIN really needs another option. MIN is dominating in the Rudy minutes, but when he sits, or if he ever misses time, MIN needs a back up center. I don’t trust Randle to play center.

Sure, but with McDaniels and Ant, in addition to Randle and Gobert, Naz has to take minutes at the 4 and 5 to get a good amount, right?

[winforlose]

Either TSJ gets valued as a first or the Wolves keep him. If an injury happens to any of Minnesota’s four rotation wings then TSJ is next man up. If Mike Conley missed time NAW moves to PG and TSJ has a minutes pathway. Shannon is a lottery level player (maybe even top 8,) who fell because of off court controversy that turned out to be a case of mistaken identity. I don’t think the Wolves are eager to move on from him given his low cost and high potential.

[schaffy]

I think that’s reasonable too. I’d probably ask that POR toss in MIN’s mediocre 2027 2nd as well, with Shannon four years younger and locked into the first round rookie scale, but that’s probably no big deal. I like that this trade gives both players an opportunity to advance their careers without being blocked at crowded positions on their current team.

Adding Reath while still having Randle, Gobert, and Naz Reid would just be crowding another position too, no?

Actually, Rudy is the only center on the roster. When Naz got here as an undrafted free agent, he was a pudgy 270 and center was probably the only position he could play at an NBA level. However, he saw with Towns, and eventually Rudy at center, he would never get major minutes to show his talent, and he (and Luka Garza too) redesigned their bodies to be big wings, Naz is probably 230 now, Garza 235, and while Naz is a PF, he’d actually be better as a SF than a C. He plays some C now out of necessity, but MIN really needs another option. MIN is dominating in the Rudy minutes, but when he sits, or if he ever misses time, MIN needs a back up center. I don’t trust Randle to play center.

Its not entirely relevant, but I really disagree with the bolded comment. I know Finch made the comment last year that he could play all 3 bigs together -- at least partially because how well they were all playing and to get them all as many minutes as possible. But Naz at the 3, even in a more positionless league, is not great. For extended stretches if he isn't at the 4, I think he's better as an undersized 5 than a 3. Defensively, he isn't great at either the 5 or the 3 and he's not really better at either spot. He still has enough strength to bang some with 5s but his lack of height and length becomes a problem. At the 3 he doesnt have near the lateral quickness to regularly keep up with true wings. Hes got size on them and can chase some stuff down but guys getting past him and forcing a scramble is a real issue there. On offense, his skills are much more to his advantage as an undersized 5 than as a 3. His spot up shooting is a strength but that probably plays better at the 5 dragging his guy out. And he has enough of a handle to take advantage of 5s. But for a 3 its a poor handle and even at the 4 he gets his pocket picked more often than you'd care for.

[shrink]

Adding Reath while still having Randle, Gobert, and Naz Reid would just be crowding another position too, no?

Actually, Rudy is the only center on the roster. When Naz got here as an undrafted free agent, he was a pudgy 270 and center was probably the only position he could play at an NBA level. However, he saw with Towns, and eventually Rudy at center, he would never get major minutes to show his talent, and he (and Luka Garza too) redesigned their bodies to be big wings, Naz is probably 230 now, Garza 235, and while Naz is a PF, he’d actually be better as a SF than a C. He plays some C now out of necessity, but MIN really needs another option. MIN is dominating in the Rudy minutes, but when he sits, or if he ever misses time, MIN needs a back up center. I don’t trust Randle to play center.

Sure, but with McDaniels and Ant, in addition to Randle and Gobert, Naz has to take minutes at the 4 and 5 to get a good amount, right?

I agree that Finch wants Naz on the court, but he would prefer to find Naz those additional minutes as a 3. In fact, Finch even experimented last year playing Gobert-Towns-Naz simultaneously. Midway last year, Naz has figured out how to play PF with Gobert, and that two man group has good ratings. He’s also excellent playing with the bench unit of Naz-NAW-DDV, and that four man unit (if you include Gobert) is 100th percentile.

MIN’s top 8 rotation at their best positions would be something like this

Conley
Ant - NAW - DDV
McDaniels
Randle - Naz
Gobert

But it involves a lot of people playing out of position. Right now three SG’s collectively average 84 minutes a game, and Naz picks up the back center minutes. They need rebalancing. But replacing this Towns center minutes is the biggest priority in my opinion.

[shrink]

Either TSJ gets valued as a first or the Wolves keep him. If an injury happens to any of Minnesota’s four rotation wings then TSJ is next man up. If Mike Conley missed time NAW moves to PG and TSJ has a minutes pathway. Shannon is a lottery level player (maybe even top 8,) who fell because of off court controversy that turned out to be a case of mistaken identity. I don’t think the Wolves are eager to move on from him given his low cost and high potential.

I think any #27 pick loses first round value the day you drive it off the lot. He may have picked up a little value in Summer League, but that’s only Summer League. Not getting NBA minutes lowers any prospects value, especially an older rookie.

If Conley goes down, I agree that NAW probably steps in, but that’s a pathway for Dillingham to get back up minutes, not TSJ.

[gswhoops]

Yeah I mean the question here is whether Minnesota is just trying to do right by a young guy who isn't getting an opportunity and recoup some value for him, or whether they're looking for recent-first-round-pick value in return.

I have a hard time seeing a team trade a 1st for him given that (1) he was a late 1st round pick in a draft perceived to be fairly weak, (2) he's old for a rookie (older than Ant!), and (3) hasn't shown anything at the pro level yet. I think plenty of teams would offer a couple 2nds for him but don't see why Minnesota would bite at that.

[winforlose]

Either TSJ gets valued as a first or the Wolves keep him. If an injury happens to any of Minnesota’s four rotation wings then TSJ is next man up. If Mike Conley missed time NAW moves to PG and TSJ has a minutes pathway. Shannon is a lottery level player (maybe even top 8,) who fell because of off court controversy that turned out to be a case of mistaken identity. I don’t think the Wolves are eager to move on from him given his low cost and high potential.

I think any #27 pick loses first round value the day you drive it off the lot. He may have picked up a little value in Summer League, but that’s only Summer League. Not getting NBA minutes lowers any prospects value, especially an older rookie.

If Conley goes down, I agree that NAW probably steps in, but that’s a pathway for Dillingham to get back up minutes, not TSJ.

TSJ isn’t a typical 27. He is a lottery pick with a very high defensive ceiling that fell due to off court issues. Jaden was a similarly low pick due to off court issues and is now a highly coveted rotation player in the NBA. If you want to say TSJ must prove something before he gets full value, then the Wolves say that’s fine, but they have no reason to trade him for less.

Say Mike goes down for 20+ games. Dilly will not start. NAW moves into starting PG, Dilly gets more minutes at backup PG (probably 18 per game,) and NAW’s vacated SG/PF minutes either get spread among the other 3 wings or some go to TSJ if Finch wants to develop him.

[schaffy]

Either TSJ gets valued as a first or the Wolves keep him. If an injury happens to any of Minnesota’s four rotation wings then TSJ is next man up. If Mike Conley missed time NAW moves to PG and TSJ has a minutes pathway. Shannon is a lottery level player (maybe even top 8,) who fell because of off court controversy that turned out to be a case of mistaken identity. I don’t think the Wolves are eager to move on from him given his low cost and high potential.

I think any #27 pick loses first round value the day you drive it off the lot. He may have picked up a little value in Summer League, but that’s only Summer League. Not getting NBA minutes lowers any prospects value, especially an older rookie.

If Conley goes down, I agree that NAW probably steps in, but that’s a pathway for Dillingham to get back up minutes, not TSJ.

TSJ isn’t a typical 27. He is a lottery pick with a very high defensive ceiling that fell due to off court issues. Jaden was a similarly low pick due to off court issues and is now a highly coveted rotation player in the NBA. If you want to say TSJ must prove something before he gets full value, then the Wolves say that’s fine, but they have no reason to trade him for less.

Say Mike goes down for 20+ games. Dilly will not start. NAW moves into starting PG, Dilly gets more minutes at backup PG (probably 18 per game,) and NAW’s vacated SG/PF minutes either get spread among the other 3 wings or some go to TSJ if Finch wants to develop him.

I mean, he kind of is though? Like a lot of 20s picks are taken there because teams think they have late lottery level talent but there is some big question teams have about them. Sometimes its age, sometimes its they were highly ranked coming out of high school but didnt seem to put it together in college, sometimes its away from basketball stuff. We dont refer to Knecht as a top 10 pick who fell because of age do we? Or Filipowski as a 1st rounder who fell because of some weird family stuff? He was actually taken at 27. Honestly, it happens a lot that guys slide for one reason or another and then have to prove on the court where they stack up -- Whitmore the year before slide to 20.

Also, it was not set in stone that he was a lottery pick. As an example, heres a quick summary of like 10 different places final mock drafts, none of them have TSJ in the lottery: https://www.nba.com/news/2024-consensus-mock-draft

[winforlose]

I think any #27 pick loses first round value the day you drive it off the lot. He may have picked up a little value in Summer League, but that’s only Summer League. Not getting NBA minutes lowers any prospects value, especially an older rookie.

If Conley goes down, I agree that NAW probably steps in, but that’s a pathway for Dillingham to get back up minutes, not TSJ.

TSJ isn’t a typical 27. He is a lottery pick with a very high defensive ceiling that fell due to off court issues. Jaden was a similarly low pick due to off court issues and is now a highly coveted rotation player in the NBA. If you want to say TSJ must prove something before he gets full value, then the Wolves say that’s fine, but they have no reason to trade him for less.

Say Mike goes down for 20+ games. Dilly will not start. NAW moves into starting PG, Dilly gets more minutes at backup PG (probably 18 per game,) and NAW’s vacated SG/PF minutes either get spread among the other 3 wings or some go to TSJ if Finch wants to develop him.

I mean, he kind of is though? Like a lot of 20s picks are taken there because teams think they have late lottery level talent but there is some big question teams have about them. Sometimes its age, sometimes its they were highly ranked coming out of high school but didnt seem to put it together in college, sometimes its away from basketball stuff. We dont refer to Knecht as a top 10 pick who fell because of age do we? Or Filipowski as a 1st rounder who fell because of some weird family stuff? He was actually taken at 27. Honestly, it happens a lot that guys slide for one reason or another and then have to prove on the court where they stack up -- Whitmore the year before slide to 20.

Also, it was not set in stone that he was a lottery pick. As an example, heres a quick summary of like 10 different places final mock drafts, none of them have TSJ in the lottery: https://www.nba.com/news/2024-consensus-mock-draft

I don’t watch college sports so I am a terrible source for draft boards and pre draft evaluations. I am going by what I heard from other more knowledgeable sources. I claim no first hand knowledge. I heard in general that his defense the last few seasons combined with offensive growth/development could easily have seen go in the top 14 if not much higher. The false rape allegation was supposedly quite damaging to his reputation and teams willingness to invest a high pick in him.

[chrbal]

Wolves should just keep him, feature him in the G League and hope that boosts his confidence. I can’t see teams offering much to get him. Being a 24 year old rookie works against him greatly in terms of trade value. I will say that I think Washington with like two ok seconds makes sense for them if the Wolves are just trying to move him. But I don’t think they should.

[pipfan]

I agree with the above-Minny needs young talent-no reason to move him unless someone makes a crazy offer