Best offer for Fox or Sabonis

[Sactowndog]

I’m not all the way there yet but getting close to concluding this core can’t get it done. The pieces seem to not fit well. So curious what is your best offer for Fox or Sabonis?

Offers that leave Kings with a more balanced roster are preferred.

[LarsV8]

I don't think you can trade a core piece and expect to get more balanced and presumably better.

My opinion is either keep both or trade both.

[Sactowndog]

Not opposed to that but I think it makes the thread too complicated so decided to see best offers for one or the other.

[Ron Swanson]

I don't really know what trading one or both of them accomplishes from a "balanced roster" perspective unless they're just tanking and going with a full tear-down. I mean, Fox for something like Jalen Green, Reed Sheppard, and a couple firsts from Houston? Very difficult to come up with a trade that would satisfy both requirements of A) maximizing future asset return, and B) keeping a competitive team on the floor. Fox is also under contract for next season so I'm not really seeing the urgency for the Kings to do anything until the offseason.

[Bentley1225]

Keegan Murray has been a big disappointment as the organization was looking at him in year 3 to make another jump Im sure to keep them in the area of 6-8 seed status in WC.

I think they’re a 45-50 win team when healthy

[Skybox]

Fox to ORL...

Jalen Suggs, Jonathan Isaac, and DEN 25 frp

Suggs/Monk backcourt combo is strong and complementary and you couldn't find a better influence for Carter coming in than Suggs. He's an absolutely elite defender, a competent scorer (not on Fox's level -yet) and just got his rookie extension for less than Fox and on a descending scale. Isaac is as impactful a defender as there is in the league, from perimeter to rim. His injury history is spooky, but he's looked good last year and now, on a minutes restriction...even in limited minutes, his impact is significant and he'd very nicely complement Sabonis. His new contract drops substantially after this year and has various team protection for injuries...his contract, imo, offsets the minute restrictions that probably should continue. Two VERY significant defenders that will change the Kings' identity overnight. Still plenty of scoring and playmaking in the rotation without Fox. The pick is likely a late first and may not even be necessary, given that Fox only has one more season under contract and will certainly stretch ORL's checkbook into the apron discussion.

From ORL's side, Fox is a perfect fit and very complementary to Paolo, Franz, and KCP. ORL probably won't even discuss moving Suggs, who seems to be emerging as the team's heartbeat, but to bring in a player on the level (financially) of Fox, someone's got to go and it won't be Paolo or Franz. Isaac is also a significant impactful player for ORL's identity, but they need to tweak their identity to include some more backcourt scoring and playmaking before Paolo & Franz collapse under the load.

[LarsV8]

In the offseason, both rebuilding packages.

Green, Sheppard, Whitmore, 2025 #1 (likely Pho), 2027 #1 Pho for just Fox.

Or, lets go super crazy

Green, Sengun for Fox, Sabonis

Fox / Holiday / Sheppard
FVV / Whitmore
Brooks / Amen
Jabari / Eason
Sabonis / Adams / Landale

[Sactowndog]

Just for clarity a package built around more guards whether it be Suggs or Green is, to a least me, not very appealing. Our roster is already a collection of 6’4” and under players.

[Texas Chuck]

Or, lets go super crazy

Green, Sengun for Fox, Sabonis

This seems miles short on value for the Kings even knowing how highly you value Rockets players. Even if we said Sengun and Sabonis have similar value that leaves Green for Fox which is a joke.

[LarsV8]

This seems miles short on value for the Kings even knowing how highly you value Rockets players. Even if we said Sengun and Sabonis have similar value that leaves Green for Fox which is a joke.

I don't say that Sabonis and Sengun have similar values, Sengun should have vastly more value as he is six years younger.

[Texas Chuck]

This seems miles short on value for the Kings even knowing how highly you value Rockets players. Even if we said Sengun and Sabonis have similar value that leaves Green for Fox which is a joke.

I don't say that Sabonis and Sengun have similar values, Sengun should have vastly more value as he is six years younger.

Oh so being better at basketball has no bearing on value then? That's odd. I don't think teams normally see trading a star player in his prime for a young player they hope will be as effective for them as all that positive when they are trying to win.

But if younger is all it takes, I have some Mavs offers for you lol.

[SkyHook]

This seems miles short on value for the Kings even knowing how highly you value Rockets players. Even if we said Sengun and Sabonis have similar value that leaves Green for Fox which is a joke.

I don't say that Sabonis and Sengun have similar values, Sengun should have vastly more value as he is six years younger.

I wouldn't say "vastly" more, but somewhat more in my view.

[Jkam31]

Houston, SA, and Orlando will be all over Fox the deals some are throwing around are absurd. Amen Thompson or Castle will be traded not FVV and Reed or Suggs and Issac

[Village Idiot]

Fox to ORL...

Jalen Suggs, Jonathan Isaac, and DEN 25 frp

I like this one. Not as much as I like Simons to Orlando though

[bpcox05]

I’m just going to post this here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2423749

Kevin Durant

For

De’Aaron Fox
Trey Lyles


That leaves the Kings with a rotation of…

PG - Monk / Ellis / McLaughlin
SG - Murray / Carter / Jones
SF - DeRozan / Huerter / McDermott
PF - Durant / Crowder
C - Sabonis / Len / Robinson

…that’s much more balanced and it makes us better this year. You could still follow-up the trade with a Huerter+ for DFS trade and give yourself a really strong 8 man rotation of Monk, Ellis, Carter, Murray, DeRozan, DFS, Durant, & Sabonis.

[CraftylikeaFox]

Fox to ORL...

Jalen Suggs, Jonathan Isaac, and DEN 25 frp

Suggs/Monk backcourt combo is strong and complementary and you couldn't find a better influence for Carter coming in than Suggs. He's an absolutely elite defender, a competent scorer (not on Fox's level -yet) and just got his rookie extension for less than Fox and on a descending scale. Isaac is as impactful a defender as there is in the league, from perimeter to rim. His injury history is spooky, but he's looked good last year and now, on a minutes restriction...even in limited minutes, his impact is significant and he'd very nicely complement Sabonis. His new contract drops substantially after this year and has various team protection for injuries...his contract, imo, offsets the minute restrictions that probably should continue. Two VERY significant defenders that will change the Kings' identity overnight. Still plenty of scoring and playmaking in the rotation without Fox. The pick is likely a late first and may not even be necessary, given that Fox only has one more season under contract and will certainly stretch ORL's checkbook into the apron discussion.

From ORL's side, Fox is a perfect fit and very complementary to Paolo, Franz, and KCP. ORL probably won't even discuss moving Suggs, who seems to be emerging as the team's heartbeat, but to bring in a player on the level (financially) of Fox, someone's got to go and it won't be Paolo or Franz. Isaac is also a significant impactful player for ORL's identity, but they need to tweak their identity to include some more backcourt scoring and playmaking before Paolo & Franz collapse under the load.

No problems at all with this. Been a big fan of Suggs from day 1. Easily a top 3 defensive guard in the league.

[LarsV8]

Oh so being better at basketball has no bearing on value then? That's odd. I don't think teams normally see trading a star player in his prime for a young player they hope will be as effective for them as all that positive when they are trying to win.

But if younger is all it takes, I have some Mavs offers for you lol.

You seem to believe that there is some perfect value proposition out there for every swap that is fair and meets both teams needs. That is not reality. It ignores the complexities of different team window perspectives, and highs and lows of confidence GMs feel about their own teams performance, as well as the own pressures put on teams from their owners.

Sacramento has a serious issue. Fox is making troublesome comments about his future in Sacramento and Sabonis is approaching 30, all the while Sac is currently on the outside looking in for the playoff run. The urgency of this risk is slowly dawning on the Kings and their fans. Sacramento is likely going to have to make big time decisions in a short window.

OP asked for offers, and I gave him some. I am certainly not demanding that they take it, or even really saying its a good deal, but it is a realistic "offer", and is absolutely representative of the types of offers they would likely receive among front offices, if this plays out like I think it will. If nothing else, its "information", that helps people understand their realistic options if they choose to go down certain paths.

The NBA trade game is a chaotic one. We often are surprised by how little or by how much value certain teams receive. It is also fairly common for perceptions of trades to change drastically over time.

You and I can approach the trade game from vastly different strategic mindsets, but spare me the condescending remarks. The differences in opinions should be welcomed, that is whole point of this forum.

[LarsV8]

Houston, SA, and Orlando will be all over Fox the deals some are throwing around are absurd. Amen Thompson or Castle will be traded not FVV and Reed or Suggs and Issac

Won't speak for SA, but Amen Thompson is not available.

[oldncreaky]

Fox to ORL...

Jalen Suggs, Jonathan Isaac, and DEN 25 frp

Suggs/Monk backcourt combo is strong and complementary and you couldn't find a better influence for Carter coming in than Suggs. He's an absolutely elite defender, a competent scorer (not on Fox's level -yet) and just got his rookie extension for less than Fox and on a descending scale. Isaac is as impactful a defender as there is in the league, from perimeter to rim. His injury history is spooky, but he's looked good last year and now, on a minutes restriction...even in limited minutes, his impact is significant and he'd very nicely complement Sabonis. His new contract drops substantially after this year and has various team protection for injuries...his contract, imo, offsets the minute restrictions that probably should continue. Two VERY significant defenders that will change the Kings' identity overnight. Still plenty of scoring and playmaking in the rotation without Fox. The pick is likely a late first and may not even be necessary, given that Fox only has one more season under contract and will certainly stretch ORL's checkbook into the apron discussion.

From ORL's side, Fox is a perfect fit and very complementary to Paolo, Franz, and KCP. ORL probably won't even discuss moving Suggs, who seems to be emerging as the team's heartbeat, but to bring in a player on the level (financially) of Fox, someone's got to go and it won't be Paolo or Franz. Isaac is also a significant impactful player for ORL's identity, but they need to tweak their identity to include some more backcourt scoring and playmaking before Paolo & Franz collapse under the load.

I love the idea of Fox to Orlando -- he's exactly the type and quality of guard I'd want to add to the team

However, if I'm Orlando, I want to end up with
- Paolo, Franz, Suggs, Fox as a top 4
- a couple of Cs (2 of Goga/Wagner/WCJ/Isaac, I'd choose the best bang for the buck)
- a competent 3rd guard
- a bunch of young players on late-FRP rookie scale contracts and/or the minimum

That's a lineup that has enough talent and a decent window to contend starting as soon as next year, without blowing right past the dreaded 2nd apron @ 134% of the salary cap. It helps financially if you end up with all of Paolo, Franz and Suggs at 25% max contracts rather than 30%, and it looks like Franz and Suggs will both be at 25%

Does Orlando have enough to offer in players+picks for Fox without offering up any of Paolo, Franz or Suggs?

[Godaddycurse]

Fox to ORL...

Jalen Suggs, Jonathan Isaac, and DEN 25 frp

Suggs/Monk backcourt combo is strong and complementary and you couldn't find a better influence for Carter coming in than Suggs. He's an absolutely elite defender, a competent scorer (not on Fox's level -yet) and just got his rookie extension for less than Fox and on a descending scale. Isaac is as impactful a defender as there is in the league, from perimeter to rim. His injury history is spooky, but he's looked good last year and now, on a minutes restriction...even in limited minutes, his impact is significant and he'd very nicely complement Sabonis. His new contract drops substantially after this year and has various team protection for injuries...his contract, imo, offsets the minute restrictions that probably should continue. Two VERY significant defenders that will change the Kings' identity overnight. Still plenty of scoring and playmaking in the rotation without Fox. The pick is likely a late first and may not even be necessary, given that Fox only has one more season under contract and will certainly stretch ORL's checkbook into the apron discussion.

From ORL's side, Fox is a perfect fit and very complementary to Paolo, Franz, and KCP. ORL probably won't even discuss moving Suggs, who seems to be emerging as the team's heartbeat, but to bring in a player on the level (financially) of Fox, someone's got to go and it won't be Paolo or Franz. Isaac is also a significant impactful player for ORL's identity, but they need to tweak their identity to include some more backcourt scoring and playmaking before Paolo & Franz collapse under the load.

I love the idea of Fox to Orlando -- he's exactly the type and quality of guard I'd want to add to the team

However, if I'm Orlando, I want to end up with
- Paolo, Franz, Suggs, Fox as a top 4
- a couple of Cs (2 of Goga/Wagner/WCJ/Isaac, I'd choose the best bang for the buck)
- a competent 3rd guard
- a bunch of young players on late-FRP rookie scale contracts and/or the minimum

That's a lineup that has enough talent and a decent window to contend starting as soon as next year, without blowing right past the dreaded 2nd apron @ 134% of the salary cap. It helps financially if you end up with all of Paolo, Franz and Suggs at 25% max contracts rather than 30%, and it looks like Franz and Suggs will both be at 25%

Does Orlando have enough to offer in players+picks for Fox without offering up any of Paolo, Franz or Suggs?

can they afford that top 4?