What is Cam Johnson’s value?

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What is Cam Johnson’s value? 

Post#1 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Sat Dec 21, 2024 2:28 am

This summer, many posters understandably scoffed at the idea that Cam Johnson was worth 2 1st round picks.

But there’s no doubt that he’s significantly improved since last season.

It’s hard to imagine a team that wouldn’t benefit from a 6’9 combo forward averaging 19.2ppg and shooting 43% from 3.

How much would you give up for him? Which team is most likely to pull the trigger?
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Re: What is Cam Johnson’s value? 

Post#2 » by LarsV8 » Sat Dec 21, 2024 2:37 am

Personal opinion is that if my team was buying I would offer one mid first, or 2 bad firsts.

While Cam is performing very well, seems like an outlier, as we already kinda know who he is.

After a period of some serious overpayments in trades, I think teams are pulling back on big swings in trades. But then again, it only takes one team to get desperate.
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Re: What is Cam Johnson’s value? 

Post#3 » by Godaddycurse » Sat Dec 21, 2024 2:37 am

if Brooklyn is serious about doing a quick turnaround w/ their capspace and try to make playoffs next year they probably should keep him?
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Re: What is Cam Johnson’s value? 

Post#4 » by zimpy27 » Sat Dec 21, 2024 2:42 am

He's a third or 4th option. He's valuable because of his contract.

I think he's worth expiring and 1 good unprotected FRP with high variance in 2028 or beyond (season after CamJ hits FA).

If Brooklyn trade him then they may as well take on bad money and get an extra protected FRP or unprotected swap.
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Re: What is Cam Johnson’s value? 

Post#5 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Dec 21, 2024 3:44 am

I still scoff at 2 firsts unless its literally once draft order has been set and we know they are both mediocre. Or both are strongly protected.

But it never stops that posters think anyone putting up counting stats on a mediocre team is suddenly more valuable because of it. Even bad teams score 110 a night. The irony is a player really gains value when they get moved into the appropriate role and show how they fit on a really good team even if their stats go down.

Because what is valuable is true superstars. He's not that. Then its guys who make superstars lives easier and who can play off them. Cam in theory does that on offense, but he's not really a playoff level defender. So that caps his value.

DFS won't return as much in trade if both get moved, but he's probably the more valuable player. He can guard in the playoffs and he provides almost the same spacing benefits. And a good team isn't going to care about the volume difference.
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Re: What is Cam Johnson’s value? 

Post#6 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Sat Dec 21, 2024 3:50 am

Texas Chuck wrote:I still scoff at 2 firsts unless its literally once draft order has been set and we know they are both mediocre. Or both are strongly protected.

But it never stops that posters think anyone putting up counting stats on a mediocre team is suddenly more valuable because of it. Even bad teams score 110 a night.


I think it’s important to note that his TS% is 66%, the highest of his career.

So I wouldn’t say it’s just counting stats.
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Re: What is Cam Johnson’s value? 

Post#7 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Dec 21, 2024 3:53 am

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Texas Chuck wrote:I still scoff at 2 firsts unless its literally once draft order has been set and we know they are both mediocre. Or both are strongly protected.

But it never stops that posters think anyone putting up counting stats on a mediocre team is suddenly more valuable because of it. Even bad teams score 110 a night.


I think it’s important to note that his TS% is 66%, the highest of his career.

So I wouldn’t say it’s just counting stats.


Meh. He's always been an efficient scorer. But that's just a reflection of him getting to the line 6 times a game something he's not going to do if he's traded. He'll regress back down to 60%--which is still plenty good of course. But we can't say this is now him.

He's a good complementary offensive player. But he can't defend for 40 minutes in the playoffs so that caps what he's really worth.
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Re: What is Cam Johnson’s value? 

Post#8 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Sat Dec 21, 2024 3:55 am

zimpy27 wrote:He's a third or 4th option. He's valuable because of his contract.

I think he's worth expiring and 1 good unprotected FRP with high variance in 2028 or beyond (season after CamJ hits FA).

If Brooklyn trade him then they may as well take on bad money and get an extra protected FRP or unprotected swap.


I think this is pretty close to what will happen.

Curious to see how much Brooklyn values extra cap space next summer. They could very well grab a 1st or swap just because of their ability to absorb excess salary.
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Re: What is Cam Johnson’s value? 

Post#9 » by Scoot McGroot » Sat Dec 21, 2024 4:06 am

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:I still scoff at 2 firsts unless its literally once draft order has been set and we know they are both mediocre. Or both are strongly protected.

But it never stops that posters think anyone putting up counting stats on a mediocre team is suddenly more valuable because of it. Even bad teams score 110 a night.


I think it’s important to note that his TS% is 66%, the highest of his career.

So I wouldn’t say it’s just counting stats.



It’s absolutely the highest of his career. So much so, that it stands out as a major peak, and may have potential buyers wary that he’ll have a huge fall back to his career norms?
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Re: What is Cam Johnson’s value? 

Post#10 » by Devilanche » Sat Dec 21, 2024 4:09 am

With how much picks are tied up in teams that doesn’t need him , probably a loosely protected first and another strongly protected first at best OR a loosely protected first and a bag of seconds.

Still a very valuable player and archtype just that he’s not a final piece to contender ship for most team and for such teams to unload their full asset base , they would have to feel he is that.
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Re: What is Cam Johnson’s value? 

Post#11 » by Mavrelous » Sat Dec 21, 2024 6:36 am

I think 2 1sts like the Pistons/Wizards 1sts that NY had are an underpay for Cam, singled unprotected 1st 3+ years out is an overpay.
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Re: What is Cam Johnson’s value? 

Post#12 » by TheNetsFan » Sat Dec 21, 2024 7:36 am

One '25 or '26 pick with light (top 3-4) protection and one more distant future pick with more substantial protection (or a swap with similar protection). If the '25-'26 pick is currently near the mid teens or better, it could be just one pick, e.g. if OKC offered top 4 protected best of PHL/LAC/MIA (note: PHL pick is already top 6 protected, and MIA pick is top 14 protected).
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Re: What is Cam Johnson’s value? 

Post#13 » by SlimShady83 » Sat Dec 21, 2024 8:45 am

Isn't Cam Johnson a Un-restricted free agent Next off season? ... No way In hell I'm throwing IN pics for that? I understand bird rights and all that, but still not keen on risking It.
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Re: What is Cam Johnson’s value? 

Post#14 » by Skybox » Sat Dec 21, 2024 9:06 am

Career stats on a bad team didn’t raise Schroder’s value apparently…I don’t watch Cam, but he seems to have attained mythological status this season. He’s always been a very good shooter from range, but is he also now a solid defender and playmaker? I think the fact that he’s so clearly available has got people optimistically imagining how he’d look on their team.

Many on ORL board are plugging him in at the SG spot…is that remotely possible? Can he move like a 2?

I know he’s a good player but I question where he really ranks in the league, particularly on a playoff team.
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Re: What is Cam Johnson’s value? 

Post#15 » by Godaddycurse » Sat Dec 21, 2024 12:39 pm

SlimShady83 wrote:Isn't Cam Johnson a Un-restricted free agent Next off season? ... No way In hell I'm throwing IN pics for that? I understand bird rights and all that, but still not keen on risking It.


He is controlled for 2 more yrs after this one
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Re: What is Cam Johnson’s value? 

Post#16 » by DanishLakerFan » Sat Dec 21, 2024 12:54 pm

D'Lo, Knecht and protected first would work.
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Re: What is Cam Johnson’s value? 

Post#17 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Sat Dec 21, 2024 1:03 pm

Skybox wrote:Career stats on a bad team didn’t raise Schroder’s value apparently


Schroder is 31 on an expiring contract.

Johnson is 28 and controlled for the next two seasons after this one.

Not an apples to apples comparison.
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Re: What is Cam Johnson’s value? 

Post#18 » by drchaos » Sat Dec 21, 2024 1:24 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
Skybox wrote:Career stats on a bad team didn’t raise Schroder’s value apparently


Schroder is 31 on an expiring contract.

Johnson is 28 and controlled for the next two seasons after this one.

Not an apples to apples comparison.


The young man has upped his game since his contract extension while many other players tend to decline after they get the big bag of money.

The Nets might just keep him around for a while.

I think two first round picks is the starting point if someone is serious about obtaining his services.
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Re: What is Cam Johnson’s value? 

Post#19 » by Skybox » Sat Dec 21, 2024 1:31 pm

DanishLakerFan wrote:D'Lo, Knecht and protected first would work.


Knecht looks a lot like Cam now…and he’s a kid making peanuts.
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Re: What is Cam Johnson’s value? 

Post#20 » by SkyHook » Sat Dec 21, 2024 1:32 pm

I like Johnson and he's having a great season, but I wouldn't aggressively pursue him from Utah's standpoint. In exchange for premium assets, I'd prefer to prioritize players who—at a bare minimum—are at least competent on both ends of the court. While he's a stellar 95th percentile oEPM, he's a dismal 24th percentile dEPM. Ironically his closest comparisons in both metrics are Devin Booker (96th & 26th) and Kyrie Irving (95th & 25th). (Brunson, Garland, Herro, LaMelo, and Lillard are each better offensively and worse defensively than Cam.)
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