DeAaron Fox To Rockets

[K_chile22]

There isn't going to be an in-season trade that involves Green that doesn't include the Pistons due to his extension, and even then, it would be really difficult for the Rockets to send out enough money to match a max deal coming in.

FVV would have to go to the Kings, Fox to the Rockets, Green to the Pistons with some money going out. I suspect it has to wait until the summer.

It's not that hard to make Green for fox work, just gotta find a team to take on an expiring $8ish M, which with the mle being a tpe and multiple teams still having it open shouldn't be terribly difficult


This is assuming sac counts as a tax team in the trade because Jalen temporarily counts as $29M incoming salary, if the tax calculation for the trading team doesn't work that way (not sure) then Green+Tate+Jock works straight up (talking purely about salary matching NOT value)

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FVV/Smith/Thompson for Fox/Monk/Huerter

Rockets keep their picks.

[LarsV8]

FVV/Smith/Thompson for Fox/Monk/Huerter

Rockets keep their picks.

No chance.

[jbk1234]

There isn't going to be an in-season trade that involves Green that doesn't include the Pistons due to his extension, and even then, it would be really difficult for the Rockets to send out enough money to match a max deal coming in.

FVV would have to go to the Kings, Fox to the Rockets, Green to the Pistons with some money going out. I suspect it has to wait until the summer.

It's not that hard to make Green for fox work, just gotta find a team to take on an expiring $8ish M, which with the mle being a tpe and multiple teams still having it open shouldn't be terribly difficult


This is assuming sac counts as a tax team in the trade because Jalen temporarily counts as $29M incoming salary, if the tax calculation for the trading team doesn't work that way (not sure) then Green+Tate+Jock works straight up (talking purely about salary matching NOT value)

Yeah, you guys only get his rookie scale deal in the outbox and you're taking back a max deal. It's why so few PPP players are traded.

[K_chile22]

There isn't going to be an in-season trade that involves Green that doesn't include the Pistons due to his extension, and even then, it would be really difficult for the Rockets to send out enough money to match a max deal coming in.

FVV would have to go to the Kings, Fox to the Rockets, Green to the Pistons with some money going out. I suspect it has to wait until the summer.

It's not that hard to make Green for fox work, just gotta find a team to take on an expiring $8ish M, which with the mle being a tpe and multiple teams still having it open shouldn't be terribly difficult


This is assuming sac counts as a tax team in the trade because Jalen temporarily counts as $29M incoming salary, if the tax calculation for the trading team doesn't work that way (not sure) then Green+Tate+Jock works straight up (talking purely about salary matching NOT value)

Yeah, you guys only get his rookie scale deal in the outbox and you're taking back a max deal. It's why so few PPP players are traded.

I'm very aware, but since fox makes so much it's still workable, those guys count as enough outgoing from Houston's pov and Fox is enough matching for the kings with Green counting at $29M as long as him counting as that doesn't trigger tax team trade rules (or at least it's very close and easy to get over, doing mental math here), which I have no idea how that works, because they're not a tax team after the trade which is how I've thought the rule works but maybe in this case they count the poison pill number towards the tax in that instant the trade happens? Idk

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FVV/Smith/Thompson for Fox/Monk/Huerter

Rockets keep their picks.

No chance.

Fox/Monk/Huerter for FVV/Smith/Jeff Green/25 pick

One sacred cow has to get sacrificed by Houston. I get asking for two is tough.

For Sac it gives them a competitive lineup and a pick.

[LarsV8]

Fox/Monk/Huerter for FVV/Smith/Jeff Green/25 pick

One sacred cow has to get sacrificed by Houston. I get asking for two is tough.

For Sac it gives them a competitive lineup and a pick.

Fred Van Vleet may not be very efficient, but he is doing just about everything else on the court extremely well. His impact on winning is pretty strong, and the advanced stats support that. While Fox is efficient, he looks to be far worse everywhere else, especially defensively. I have serious doubts that going from FVV to Fox is a no brainer like everyone is making it out to be. It could end up being a minor upgrade, or even very easily make us a WORSE team.

With that core belief in place, and then considering that you are asking for an absolute prize in Jabari Smith Jr, and picks too boot, as well as Fox's HEFTY impending contract...well....that is a pretty easy no from me.

There is a path for Fox to the Rockets, but it has to revolve around pieces that are currently not making an impact on winning, IE a rebuilding package. Those pieces are some combination of the future picks, Reed, Cam, Green, and expiring's. If it doesn't work for Sac, then it doesn't work, and both teams should move onto other options.

[SNPA]

Fox/Monk/Huerter for FVV/Smith/Jeff Green/25 pick

One sacred cow has to get sacrificed by Houston. I get asking for two is tough.

For Sac it gives them a competitive lineup and a pick.

Fred Van Vleet may not be very efficient, but he is doing just about everything else on the court extremely well. His impact on winning is pretty strong, and the advanced stats support that. While Fox is efficient, he looks to be far worse everywhere else, especially defensively. I have serious doubts that going from FVV to Fox is a no brainer like everyone is making it out to be. It could end up being a minor upgrade, or even very easily make us a WORSE team.

With that core belief in place, and then considering that you are asking for an absolute prize in Jabari Smith Jr, and picks too boot, as well as Fox's HEFTY impending contract...well....that is a pretty easy no from me.

There is a path for Fox to the Rockets, but it has to revolve around pieces that are currently not making an impact on winning, IE a rebuilding package. Those pieces are some combination of the future picks, Reed, Cam, Green, and expiring's. If it doesn't work for Sac, then it doesn't work, and both teams should move onto other options.

It’s a long shot. I don’t see Sac going full rebuild.

You didn’t mention Monk. I see it as Fox for FVV, value to Houston…then Sac adds Monk on top of that value. To balance out its Jabari and a pick.

[CBA]

I don’t think Fox replacing a FVV (that remembers how to shoot) makes the Rockets better.

[K_chile22]

I don’t think Fox replacing a FVV (that remembers how to shoot) makes the Rockets better.

I think it does, can argue how much in the short term but it definitely helps long term

[Sactowndog]

Fox/Monk/Huerter for FVV/Smith/Jeff Green/25 pick

One sacred cow has to get sacrificed by Houston. I get asking for two is tough.

For Sac it gives them a competitive lineup and a pick.

Fred Van Vleet may not be very efficient, but he is doing just about everything else on the court extremely well. His impact on winning is pretty strong, and the advanced stats support that. While Fox is efficient, he looks to be far worse everywhere else, especially defensively. I have serious doubts that going from FVV to Fox is a no brainer like everyone is making it out to be. It could end up being a minor upgrade, or even very easily make us a WORSE team.

With that core belief in place, and then considering that you are asking for an absolute prize in Jabari Smith Jr, and picks too boot, as well as Fox's HEFTY impending contract...well....that is a pretty easy no from me.

There is a path for Fox to the Rockets, but it has to revolve around pieces that are currently not making an impact on winning, IE a rebuilding package. Those pieces are some combination of the future picks, Reed, Cam, Green, and expiring's. If it doesn't work for Sac, then it doesn't work, and both teams should move onto other options.

You likely get outbid by either San Antonio or New Orleans.

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Fox/Monk/Huerter for FVV/Smith/Jeff Green/25 pick

One sacred cow has to get sacrificed by Houston. I get asking for two is tough.

For Sac it gives them a competitive lineup and a pick.

I also think that the Rockets are not going to include Thompson, Eason and maybe not even Smith for Fox, because of what he'll command in free agency.
That said, I do think you have to put a lot on the table and there might be packages that still work for the Kings.

What about Fox, Monk, Huerter, Lyles for VanVleet, Jalen Green, Whitmore, Sheppard and a few picks. A good mix of staying competitive and adding young talent and assets.

[LarsV8]

Fox/Monk/Huerter for FVV/Smith/Jeff Green/25 pick

One sacred cow has to get sacrificed by Houston. I get asking for two is tough.

For Sac it gives them a competitive lineup and a pick.

Fred Van Vleet may not be very efficient, but he is doing just about everything else on the court extremely well. His impact on winning is pretty strong, and the advanced stats support that. While Fox is efficient, he looks to be far worse everywhere else, especially defensively. I have serious doubts that going from FVV to Fox is a no brainer like everyone is making it out to be. It could end up being a minor upgrade, or even very easily make us a WORSE team.

With that core belief in place, and then considering that you are asking for an absolute prize in Jabari Smith Jr, and picks too boot, as well as Fox's HEFTY impending contract...well....that is a pretty easy no from me.

There is a path for Fox to the Rockets, but it has to revolve around pieces that are currently not making an impact on winning, IE a rebuilding package. Those pieces are some combination of the future picks, Reed, Cam, Green, and expiring's. If it doesn't work for Sac, then it doesn't work, and both teams should move onto other options.

You likely get outbid by either San Antonio or New Orleans.

I am okay with that?

[Sactowndog]

Fred Van Vleet may not be very efficient, but he is doing just about everything else on the court extremely well. His impact on winning is pretty strong, and the advanced stats support that. While Fox is efficient, he looks to be far worse everywhere else, especially defensively. I have serious doubts that going from FVV to Fox is a no brainer like everyone is making it out to be. It could end up being a minor upgrade, or even very easily make us a WORSE team.

With that core belief in place, and then considering that you are asking for an absolute prize in Jabari Smith Jr, and picks too boot, as well as Fox's HEFTY impending contract...well....that is a pretty easy no from me.

There is a path for Fox to the Rockets, but it has to revolve around pieces that are currently not making an impact on winning, IE a rebuilding package. Those pieces are some combination of the future picks, Reed, Cam, Green, and expiring's. If it doesn't work for Sac, then it doesn't work, and both teams should move onto other options.

You likely get outbid by either San Antonio or New Orleans.

I am okay with that?

Did you mean to end that with a question mark?

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Fox/Monk/Huerter for FVV/Smith/Jeff Green/25 pick

One sacred cow has to get sacrificed by Houston. I get asking for two is tough.

For Sac it gives them a competitive lineup and a pick.

I also think that the Rockets are not going to include Thompson, Eason and maybe not even Smith for Fox, because of what he'll command in free agency.
That said, I do think you have to put a lot on the table and there might be packages that still work for the Kings.

What about Fox, Monk, Huerter, Lyles for VanVleet, Jalen Green, Whitmore, Sheppard and a few picks. A good mix of staying competitive and adding young talent and assets.

Don’t see it. It requires Smith and FVV IMO.

Otherwise it’s mostly a rebuilding package and Monte knows that gets him canned.

Green/Whitmore/Sheppard/picks is admitting to a rebuild.

Vs.

FVV/Smith are two starters that work with Sabonis/DDR/Murray. That’s still a competitive team, maybe it grows to be a better team. That’s what Monte would need to keep his job.

[LarsV8]

Did you mean to end that with a question mark?

Yes, I thought it was clear that saying this would be what we would offer, that the risk is there that the deal wouldn't get done.

I am okay with not overpaying for Fox.

Don’t see it. It requires Smith and FVV IMO.

Otherwise it’s mostly a rebuilding package and Monte knows that gets him canned.

Green/Whitmore/Sheppard/picks is admitting to a rebuild.

Vs.

FVV/Smith are two starters that work with Sabonis/DDR/Murray. That’s still a competitive team, maybe it grows to be a better team. That’s what Monte would need to keep his job.

Not interested in sending contributors to Kings.

If Monte is concerned about his job, he can route the rebuilding pieces to other teams for contributors.