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Post#981 » by paulpressey25 » Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:38 pm

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PG Graveyard wrote:I feel like Fox is not good enough to command this type of behavior.


If I were the Kings, I'd be telling teams the best offer gets him. Not worth the headache. This is Beal all over again.


Dame and if needed the 2031 for Fox and Murray.

Strike while Vivek is in a panace.
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Post#982 » by Daver » Sun Dec 22, 2024 1:30 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:Some sort of three way with Portland where we turn Khris, young players and our ‘31 first into Grant and Timelord.



I see everyone is on the trade kris train again.God damn people he isnt going anywhere ffs he has sooo much chemistry with giannis n is a huge PO contributor.These sh.. trades are garbage .This big 3 will be very hard to beat come playoff time
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Post#983 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Dec 22, 2024 1:59 pm

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jakecronus8 wrote:Some sort of three way with Portland where we turn Khris, young players and our ‘31 first into Grant and Timelord.



I see everyone is on the trade kris train again.God damn people he isnt going anywhere ffs he has sooo much chemistry with giannis n is a huge PO contributor.These sh.. trades are garbage .This big 3 will be very hard to beat come playoff time


Yup. Middleton is more VORP than Grant this year, and Grant has played 20 more games. Yet this proposal has us giving up young players and a 1st.

Middleton is averaging 9.6 assists per 36. Dude has unlocked a whole new level of passing.
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Post#984 » by raferfenix » Sun Dec 22, 2024 2:01 pm

Bobby’s been showing his value to the Bucks as well as the open market of late.

If we do trade him I hope it’s to a good situation where he can show out.

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Post#985 » by soxperry » Sun Dec 22, 2024 2:04 pm

Profound23 wrote:I'm not for every Middleton trade that is put out there but I feel if someone figured out a way to trade Khris for Wemby there are some people who would bash the offer and say there is no way they'd pull the trigger and it messes up the chemistry of the team.


Okay, well, the problem is its very hard to raise the ceiling in a Khris trade and you are likely going to lower the ceiling in the name of getting younger. Teams see what we see: you cant trust Khris to be healthy, so they are not going to give a ton.

Our best bet is to hold him and hope he stays healthy. Our window likely ends when Dame takes another step down anyway. So even if we could get Keegan Murray for Khris, i doubt a diminished Dame/Murray/Giannis trio is a threat, especially post Brook.
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Post#986 » by Daver » Sun Dec 22, 2024 2:06 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Daver wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:Some sort of three way with Portland where we turn Khris, young players and our ‘31 first into Grant and Timelord.



I see everyone is on the trade kris train again.God damn people he isnt going anywhere ffs he has sooo much chemistry with giannis n is a huge PO contributor.These sh.. trades are garbage .This big 3 will be very hard to beat come playoff time


Yup. Middleton is more VORP than Grant this year, and Grant has played 20 more games. Yet this proposal has us giving up young players and a 1st.

Middleton is averaging 9.6 assists per 36. Dude has unlocked a whole new level of passing.




He has im hoping to see the big 3 becomr dominant very soon n see this team take off.Trading kris for these poo poo platters would so incredibly stupid
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Post#987 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Dec 22, 2024 2:24 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
emunney wrote:
PG Graveyard wrote:I feel like Fox is not good enough to command this type of behavior.


If I were the Kings, I'd be telling teams the best offer gets him. Not worth the headache. This is Beal all over again.


Dame and if needed the 2031 for Fox and Murray.

Strike while Vivek is in a panace.


Murray would have fit in Bud's stand around the circle offense, but doesn't fit Doc's dribble hand-off offense at all, since he can't dribble or pass.

Adding Fox would be weird though, as we wouldn't have to pair our PG with someone to guard the opposing PG.
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Post#988 » by dedned » Sun Dec 22, 2024 3:12 pm

raferfenix wrote:Bobby’s been showing his value to the Bucks as well as the open market of late.

If we do trade him I hope it’s to a good situation where he can show out.

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What can we realistically trade him for that will make us better? Unless you’re looking for a first round pick. But even then you’re making us worse this year.
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Post#989 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Dec 22, 2024 3:45 pm

dedned wrote:
raferfenix wrote:Bobby’s been showing his value to the Bucks as well as the open market of late.

If we do trade him I hope it’s to a good situation where he can show out.

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What can we realistically trade him for that will make us better? Unless you’re looking for a first round pick. But even then you’re making us worse this year.



Trading Bobby for draft capital, and then combining it with our draft capital lands a serious player.

The problem remains the lack of players available who fit our needs
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Post#990 » by LuessiT » Sun Dec 22, 2024 3:54 pm

Yeah I don’t think there are many players out there we can trade Bobby for that are better. But I do think we can find a trade where we can get a better fitting player and assets that then can be used in another trade.
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Post#991 » by Fotis St » Sun Dec 22, 2024 7:32 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
KidA24 wrote:
Fotis St wrote:
Playoff "assassin" Khris ............................................Playoff "choker" M.Porter Jr

East First Round (9) Games 45...................................West First Round (4) Games 23
FG% 46.0.....3p% 42.1......FT% 84.5............................FG% 51.0......3p% 43.7......FT% 76.7

East Conference Semi Finals (3) Games 17....................West Conference Semi Finals (4) Games 24
FG% 40.8.....3p% 38.8.......FT% 90.6...........................FG% 41.2.......3p% 35.0......FT% 78.6

East Conference Finals (2) - Games 12.........................West Conference Finals (2) Games 9
FG% 42.8.....3p%.31.3......FT% 86.5............................FG% 47.7.....3p% 41.8.........FT% 77.8

Finals (1) Games 7................................................Finals (1) Games 5
FG% 44.8......3p% 35.6.......FT% 88.9.........................FG% 32.8.......3p% 14.3.......FT% 75.0



Playoff Averages
FG% 44.1......3p% 39.0.......FT% 86.6.........................FG% 45.5.......3p% 38.0.......FT% 77.5

Career Averages
FG% 45.9......3p% 38.7......FT% 87.9..........................FG% 50.0.......3p% 40.8.......FT% 79.1

Age: 33 .............................................................Age: 26
6'7....................................................................6'10


Holy cripes.

Khris Middleton career playoff usage: 24.5%

MPJ career playoff usage: 18.4%.

Career playoff 40 point games: Middleton: 2 MPJ: 0
Career playoff 30 point games: Middleton: 12 MPJ: 0
Career playoff 25 pt games: Middleton 23, MPJ: 7
Career playoff 20 pt games: Middleton 41, MPJ: 13
Career playoff Sub-10 pt games: Middleton 5, MPJ: 13

They are not anywhere close to the same level of player.

Career playoff PPG: Middleton:


Yup, MPJ averages just 11 ppg after round 1. Middleton averages 24 ppg in the Finals


Round 1 ain't playoffs ? In your logic I guess they are not cause it messes up your narrative...

Yep, Khris on Finals is better but MPJ on Semi Finals is way way way better... Semi Finals Khris is a choker too
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Post#992 » by chonestown » Sun Dec 22, 2024 8:22 pm

When Khris Middleton is "cooking" that is when I call him The Krizzler feel free to use no big deal
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Post#993 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Dec 22, 2024 9:35 pm

Fotis St wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
KidA24 wrote:
Holy cripes.

Khris Middleton career playoff usage: 24.5%

MPJ career playoff usage: 18.4%.

Career playoff 40 point games: Middleton: 2 MPJ: 0
Career playoff 30 point games: Middleton: 12 MPJ: 0
Career playoff 25 pt games: Middleton 23, MPJ: 7
Career playoff 20 pt games: Middleton 41, MPJ: 13
Career playoff Sub-10 pt games: Middleton 5, MPJ: 13

They are not anywhere close to the same level of player.

Career playoff PPG: Middleton:


Yup, MPJ averages just 11 ppg after round 1. Middleton averages 24 ppg in the Finals


Round 1 ain't playoffs ? In your logic I guess they are not cause it messes up your narrative...

Yep, Khris on Finals is better but MPJ on Semi Finals is way way way better... Semi Finals Khris is a choker too


Bucks fans remember how Midds beat the Hawks with Giannis out.
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Post#994 » by KidA24 » Sun Dec 22, 2024 10:09 pm

Fotis St wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
KidA24 wrote:
Holy cripes.

Khris Middleton career playoff usage: 24.5%

MPJ career playoff usage: 18.4%.

Career playoff 40 point games: Middleton: 2 MPJ: 0
Career playoff 30 point games: Middleton: 12 MPJ: 0
Career playoff 25 pt games: Middleton 23, MPJ: 7
Career playoff 20 pt games: Middleton 41, MPJ: 13
Career playoff Sub-10 pt games: Middleton 5, MPJ: 13

They are not anywhere close to the same level of player.

Career playoff PPG: Middleton:


Yup, MPJ averages just 11 ppg after round 1. Middleton averages 24 ppg in the Finals


Round 1 ain't playoffs ? In your logic I guess they are not cause it messes up your narrative...

Yep, Khris on Finals is better but MPJ on Semi Finals is way way way better... Semi Finals Khris is a choker too


He's a choker because he had one awful game in a 12 game sample size.

Cripes.

What's Jrue Holiday then?
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Post#995 » by Bernman » Sun Dec 22, 2024 11:34 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
emunney wrote:
PG Graveyard wrote:I feel like Fox is not good enough to command this type of behavior.


If I were the Kings, I'd be telling teams the best offer gets him. Not worth the headache. This is Beal all over again.


Dame and if needed the 2031 for Fox and Murray.

Strike while Vivek is in a panace.


That would be awesome in summer, if the Kings try w/ Fox for the rest of the yr.

From our perspective, I'd be reluctant to discard Dame after we've went a yr & a half building chemistry thru which we won NBA Cup & could parlay it to the Chip. Then we may have to go thru the process all over again for a yr & a half w/ Fox.

I'd just try for the Murray for Bobby/top 5-7 protected '31 1st part during this season.
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Post#996 » by soxperry » Mon Dec 23, 2024 12:03 am

Bernman wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
emunney wrote:
If I were the Kings, I'd be telling teams the best offer gets him. Not worth the headache. This is Beal all over again.


Dame and if needed the 2031 for Fox and Murray.

Strike while Vivek is in a panace.


That would be awesome in summer, if the Kings try w/ Fox for the rest of the yr.

From our perspective, I'd be reluctant to discard Dame after we've went a yr & a half building chemistry thru which we won NBA Cup & could parlay it to the Chip. Then we may have to go thru the process all over again for a yr & a half w/ Fox.

I'd just try for the Murray for Bobby/top 5-7 protected '31 1st part during this season.


i was getting ready to trash your offer when i looked up Keegan's stats. I just assumed he would steadily improve on offense from his rookie year, but that hasn't been the case. i would have thought he would be closer to 18 to 20 ppg by now. his defense, however, continues to be great. i dont think there is any way in hell the Kings would take Portis and a protected 1st for him. It's a pretty worthless pick if we are going to protect it. Best bet is just to go full unprotected. Still not sure that's enough if they believe in him long term. But the fact that he's got a stat line more like a Grant Williams than a Khris Middleton would worry me if I were Sacramento.
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Post#997 » by Fotis St » Mon Dec 23, 2024 12:56 am

KidA24 wrote:
Fotis St wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Yup, MPJ averages just 11 ppg after round 1. Middleton averages 24 ppg in the Finals


Round 1 ain't playoffs ? In your logic I guess they are not cause it messes up your narrative...

Yep, Khris on Finals is better but MPJ on Semi Finals is way way way better... Semi Finals Khris is a choker too


He's a choker because he had one awful game in a 12 game sample size.

Cripes.

What's Jrue Holiday then?


Noone is a choker that's my point. They are both good BUT M.Porter Jr is younger taller and more athletic. I prefer the Porter Jr matchup against Tatum than Khris vs Tatum. Khris is physically unable to guard any Boston's forward.
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Post#998 » by engelmartin » Mon Dec 23, 2024 1:01 am

“Bobby Portis nice occasionally in games that don’t matter”
KnicksGod wrote:Middleton probably the most underrated player in NBA History
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Post#999 » by ShootingtheJ » Mon Dec 23, 2024 1:07 am

Fotis St wrote:
KidA24 wrote:
Fotis St wrote:
Round 1 ain't playoffs ? In your logic I guess they are not cause it messes up your narrative...

Yep, Khris on Finals is better but MPJ on Semi Finals is way way way better... Semi Finals Khris is a choker too


He's a choker because he had one awful game in a 12 game sample size.

Cripes.

What's Jrue Holiday then?


Noone is a choker that's my point. They are both good BUT M.Porter Jr is younger taller and more athletic. I prefer the Porter Jr matchup against Tatum than Khris vs Tatum. Khris is physically unable to guard any Boston's forward.


Khris has been really good versus Tatum because he knows his entire move set. MPJ hasn't been able to guard any of them.

MPJ has completely disappeared past round 1 when the competition gets tough. He can't create his own shot.
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Post#1000 » by Daver » Mon Dec 23, 2024 2:22 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Fotis St wrote:
KidA24 wrote:
He's a choker because he had one awful game in a 12 game sample size.

Cripes.

What's Jrue Holiday then?


Noone is a choker that's my point. They are both good BUT M.Porter Jr is younger taller and more athletic. I prefer the Porter Jr matchup against Tatum than Khris vs Tatum. Khris is physically unable to guard any Boston's forward.


Khris has been really good versus Tatum because he knows his entire move set. MPJ hasn't been able to guard any of them.

MPJ has completely disappeared past round 1 when the competition gets tough. He can't create his own shot.



The absolute disrespect some board posters give midds on his D.I agree with you midds does cover tatum pretty well.TB fair midds is a good D player holds his own against the stars of the league

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