Warriors analytics team

[Onus]

https://www.essentiallysports.com/nba-active-basketball-news-who-is-pabail-sidhu-meet-the-person-behind-steve-kerrs-exeperiments-with-jonathan-kuminga-in-golden-state-warriors-line-up/

The warriors need to fire this guy if he’s the reason for all these baffling lineups. They have all the lineup data but still refuse to use the best one? Why is this guy still employed if they can’t even find the best lineup data?

[Jester_]

https://www.essentiallysports.com/nba-active-basketball-news-who-is-pabail-sidhu-meet-the-person-behind-steve-kerrs-exeperiments-with-jonathan-kuminga-in-golden-state-warriors-line-up/

The warriors need to fire this guy if he’s the reason for all these baffling lineups. They have all the lineup data but still refuse to use the best one? Why is this guy still employed if they can’t even find the best lineup data?

guy's a suit

[CDM_Stats]

https://www.essentiallysports.com/nba-active-basketball-news-who-is-pabail-sidhu-meet-the-person-behind-steve-kerrs-exeperiments-with-jonathan-kuminga-in-golden-state-warriors-line-up/

The warriors need to fire this guy if he’s the reason for all these baffling lineups. They have all the lineup data but still refuse to use the best one? Why is this guy still employed if they can’t even find the best lineup data?

Article comes out right after Kerr calls it out.. puff piece

At the end of the day, the coach calls the shots. I'd love to see their sim program though and if it is saying to put these lineups out there. Because if it is, then it needs some significant fine-tuning. I love the concept but the execution might not be there

The fact that they havent accidentally stumbled on the lineup mirroring the title run is just baffling to me at this point. Like we're being trolled

[Sandy333]

As predicted, he is fall guy setup by Steve Kerr to save his own ass.
Analyticall can give you the best of the worst. If you are unable to develop the players, all players have stagnated, or motivate them ( like kuminga ) if is all on the head coach.
But Steve Kerr is a sleazy slimeball politician, in cohoots with couple of players, so he will stay put and some analytics guy and some junior coach will take the fall.

[jozef]

Analytics are useless for good coach. There are too many variables data.to provide any reasonable assumption. All you need is visible and in accessible data. Phil Jackson and Tex Winter would not need any of them I guess.

[Onus]

I think it's funny that they have "AI" to simulate how a player would do in certain lineups. What is this team doing all day? Playing 2k? Yet they still don't understand lineup construction?

I'm surprised that Waters didn't play in Minnesota.

[Jester_]

I think it's funny that they have "AI" to simulate how a player would do in certain lineups. What is this team doing all day? Playing 2k? Yet they still don't understand lineup construction?

I'm surprised that Waters didn't play in Minnesota.

always struck me as a bad sign that the silicon valley basketball team's head of analytics seems to be a suit with an MBA

[CDM_Stats]

FFS Kerr’s not a villain looking to blame anyone, he gave the guys credit when their lineup worked, not when it failed. For all we know since, Kerr is back to his preferred politicking lineups

Anyone against analytics should type up their grieveances on a typewriter, take their buggy to the local post office pony express, and let the Warriors know how much you hate progress. It will definitely stem the flow of analytics once they get that message in mid 2025, if you send it out today

[CDM_Stats]

I think it's funny that they have "AI" to simulate how a player would do in certain lineups. What is this team doing all day? Playing 2k? Yet they still don't understand lineup construction?

I'm surprised that Waters didn't play in Minnesota.

always struck me as a bad sign that the silicon valley basketball team's head of analytics seems to be a suit with an MBA

That’s how it is everywhere.. but analytics is subjective so it’s going to focus on what the programmers think is the best course of action. There’s really 4 major components - basketball knowledge, accumulation of data, application of data, analysis of data. There’s going to be very few people who can capably do all 4 so it’s gotta be a team effort, just have to hope the team has all those bases covered. At least the accumulation of data is definitely covered, as that’s usually farmed out to an outside source. The other 3 aspects are tough.. I know for me, I’m not a programmer so the application of data is a big hole for me, I had a longtime friend do that work for our mini-team when we tried that out. Honestly that guy was probably the best of all of us

[Onus]

I think it's funny that they have "AI" to simulate how a player would do in certain lineups. What is this team doing all day? Playing 2k? Yet they still don't understand lineup construction?

I'm surprised that Waters didn't play in Minnesota.

always struck me as a bad sign that the silicon valley basketball team's head of analytics seems to be a suit with an MBA

That’s how it is everywhere.. but analytics is subjective so it’s going to focus on what the programmers think is the best course of action. There’s really 4 major components - basketball knowledge, accumulation of data, application of data, analysis of data. There’s going to be very few people who can capably do all 4 so it’s gotta be a team effort, just have to hope the team has all those bases covered. At least the accumulation of data is definitely covered, as that’s usually farmed out to an outside source. The other 3 aspects are tough.. I know for me, I’m not a programmer so the application of data is a big hole for me, I had a longtime friend do that work for our mini-team when we tried that out. Honestly that guy was probably the best of all of us

Pabail describes himself as a basketball guy that does data according to the article.

[CDM_Stats]

always struck me as a bad sign that the silicon valley basketball team's head of analytics seems to be a suit with an MBA

That’s how it is everywhere.. but analytics is subjective so it’s going to focus on what the programmers think is the best course of action. There’s really 4 major components - basketball knowledge, accumulation of data, application of data, analysis of data. There’s going to be very few people who can capably do all 4 so it’s gotta be a team effort, just have to hope the team has all those bases covered. At least the accumulation of data is definitely covered, as that’s usually farmed out to an outside source. The other 3 aspects are tough.. I know for me, I’m not a programmer so the application of data is a big hole for me, I had a longtime friend do that work for our mini-team when we tried that out. Honestly that guy was probably the best of all of us

Pabail describes himself as a basketball guy that does data according to the article.

Well yeah, I mean he's not going to say he's an analytics guy just doing a job

I didnt think 'suit' meant someone not into the game, I thought it just meant a numbers nerd.. there's no way someone in this field doesnt at least like the game. Me personally, I prefer psychopaths who love the game, but that might be tougher to work with. My old core group was 3 people and we had heated discussions every day we were giving it a go. 3 psychos chasing a moving target.. tough to be in an office with those types

[Onus]

That’s how it is everywhere.. but analytics is subjective so it’s going to focus on what the programmers think is the best course of action. There’s really 4 major components - basketball knowledge, accumulation of data, application of data, analysis of data. There’s going to be very few people who can capably do all 4 so it’s gotta be a team effort, just have to hope the team has all those bases covered. At least the accumulation of data is definitely covered, as that’s usually farmed out to an outside source. The other 3 aspects are tough.. I know for me, I’m not a programmer so the application of data is a big hole for me, I had a longtime friend do that work for our mini-team when we tried that out. Honestly that guy was probably the best of all of us

Pabail describes himself as a basketball guy that does data according to the article.

Well yeah, I mean he's not going to say he's an analytics guy just doing a job

I didnt think 'suit' meant someone not into the game, I thought it just meant a numbers nerd.. there's no way someone in this field doesnt at least like the game. Me personally, I prefer psychopaths who love the game, but that might be tougher to work with. My old core group was 3 people and we had heated discussions every day we were giving it a go. 3 psychos chasing a moving target.. tough to be in an office with those types

Yea I can see how that can be contentious.

I just don’t see why we don’t want to see buddy do well. When he does well we do well. It’s very odd, I can’t think of why.

[vvoland]

Pabail describes himself as a basketball guy that does data according to the article.

Well yeah, I mean he's not going to say he's an analytics guy just doing a job

I didnt think 'suit' meant someone not into the game, I thought it just meant a numbers nerd.. there's no way someone in this field doesnt at least like the game. Me personally, I prefer psychopaths who love the game, but that might be tougher to work with. My old core group was 3 people and we had heated discussions every day we were giving it a go. 3 psychos chasing a moving target.. tough to be in an office with those types

Yea I can see how that can be contentious.

I just don’t see why we don’t want to see buddy do well. When he does well we do well. It’s very odd, I can’t think of why.

I think the question might be, why doesn't Kerr agree that when buddy does well, so so we? What is he seeing, or thinks he's seeing, that makes playing buddy a less desirable option for a guy who's so desperate to win games.

[Onus]

We need a new analytics team. Someone needs to end the insanity of why our clutch lineups can’t score.

[CDM_Stats]

We need a new analytics team. Someone needs to end the insanity of why our clutch lineups can’t score.

I would wager that they are not on board with what they are seeing either

[BayAreaDub]

How can the analytics guy even gather data if the lineups and rotations are never consistent?

[Onus]

How can the analytics guy even gather data if the lineups and rotations are never consistent?

They are consistent. Consistently bad.

[Onus]

We need a new analytics team. Someone needs to end the insanity of why our clutch lineups can’t score.

I would wager that they are not on board with what they are seeing either

Seriously if Kerr is going to coach this way then why pay for an analytics team? Just pay for the rng lineup button and it’ll be the same results.

Like who is on board with this? Who is green lighting this? What is the purpose? These non shooters will learn how to choke games because they’ll have so much practice in how to lose games.

[EvanZ]

Kerr's thing is that he loves guys who maximize their talent even if their ceiling is lower. So like you have a guy who has a ceiling of 7 out of 10 and he plays to a level of 7. Kerr likes that guy more than a guy with a talent level of 10 that plays like an 8.

[ILOVEIT]

Huh....are the Warriors the only team that constantly changes lineups?