Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition

[DuckIII]

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Do we really want MPJ? I’m not seeing the upside to that.

Hell no we don’t. I won’t judge anything until it happens. But I will say this: It feel so AK that he would find one of the only conceivable Lavine trades that there could possibly be which would defeat the whole point of trading Lavine in the first place.

But I won’t really, really say that unless it happens.

[burlydee]

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Do we really want MPJ? I’m not seeing the upside to that.

Hell no we don’t. I won’t judge anything until it happens. But I will say this: It feel so AK that he would find one of the only conceivable Lavine trades that there could possibly be which would defeat the whole point of trading Lavine in the first place.

But I won’t really, really say that unless it happens.

The only way it makes sense is if they get other young guys, not Nnaji. I think MPJ is more tradeable than Zach. So this is the rare instance where I could see then trading for and then flipping him to Detroit or Houston or even OKC. I wonder if this doesn't turn into a 3 teamer bc of that.

[Muzbar]

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By my math it would be impossible to make the $ work (without a 3rd team) for GS, unless they include Wiggins in the deal (assuming Green and Curry aren't in it). Not a fan of Wiggins or his deal, but would the addition of Kuminga or Podz and a 1st be enough to entice anyone?

I'd much rather a trade with GS, they have young pieces and picks they can use in a trade. As for Wiggins, he'd likely have to be included but you could make it a 3-team trade and send him to Detroit for THJ (The Pistons can absorb some of Wiggins contract).

Also, it seem I was wrong regarding Moody not being able to be traded, or rather where I was getting my information regarding it was wrong. Moody is still difficult to trade for though as he's a Poison Pill Player but a 3-way trade with Wiggins getting partially absorbed may make getting Moody more possible. I need to look into it further.

[Dan Z]

Do we really want MPJ? I’m not seeing the upside to that.

Hell no we don’t. I won’t judge anything until it happens. But I will say this: It feel so AK that he would find one of the only conceivable Lavine trades that there could possibly be which would defeat the whole point of trading Lavine in the first place.

But I won’t really, really say that unless it happens.

The only way it makes sense is if they get other young guys, not Nnaji. I think MPJ is more tradeable than Zach. So this is the rare instance where I could see then trading for and then flipping him to Detroit or Houston or even OKC. I wonder if this doesn't turn into a 3 teamer bc of that.

I hope AK wasn't waiting out a trade for Zach only to end up with MPJ and an expiring contract (Nnaji flipped to a third team).

I like your idea better. MPJ to a third team for assets, which then go to the Bulls.

[Rose2Boozer]

Lavine, Craig and THT for MPJ, Nnaji, and Strawther?

[Chi town]

Lavine, Craig and THT for MPJ, Nnaji, and Strawther?

Only trade that is worth making is for the expirings of Saric and Jordan instead of Nnaji. Need Strawher from DEN and then a 3rd team to take MPJ and give us expirings and a 1st.

[Muzbar]

From a financial standpoint:

Warriors receive:
Zach LaVine (Chi)

Pistons receive:
Andrew Wiggins (GSW)

Bulls receive:
Tim Hardaway Jr. (Det)
Kevon Looney (GSW)
Gary Payton II (GSW)

This trade works financially in multiple trade checkers. Obviously that wouldn't be the final trade, it was just more of a template of how a trade could work financially.

The Pistons get a better player in Wiggins whilst only sending out THJ, maybe they ask for some 2nds for taking on the additional salary but I think that move makes Detroit better.

The Warriors get another 'star' to put next to Steph, adding an additional scoring punch they lack and don't give up too much depth wise (other salaries can be used, again, this is just a template)

The Bulls get pure expires using this template plus a bunch of savvy vets, the Bulls could possibly get a 1st (or 2?) out of GSW using this method also.

A little caveat regarding Moses Moody (which I was wrong about): fanspo's trade machine says "Moses Moody cannot be traded this year since he signed an extension after September 28 (Training Camp)". I did a bit of research and Moody falls under the Poison Pill Provision which means that Moodys outgoing salary for GS would be 5.8m however the outgoing amount to the receiving team would be 10.8m (the average of this years salary plus the 3 years of his extension). However none of the trade machines out there take this into account.

So Moody can be used in this template (or an extension of it) as the additional salary that the Pistons take on for swapping THJ for Wiggins the negates that value that would be sending to Chicago.

[Muzbar]

Lavine, Craig and THT for MPJ, Nnaji, and Strawther?

I'm pretty sure you can't aggregate min salary players in trades any more. So it's either THT or Craig, not both.

[waffle]

I think the baseline for Z is a 1st and a player in return? And I'd hope the player was either 1) about to expire or 2) actually useful

if we can't get that....I'd rather watch him gun away...pick be damned

[Donkedave]

Lavine, Craig and THT for MPJ, Nnaji, and Strawther?

I'm pretty sure you can't aggregate min salary players in trades any more. So it's either THT or Craig, not both.

In this case you can as you are getting back and sending 3 players each.

It’s if we were getting back 2 then it’s not allowed.

All these rules are so damn confusing

[Muzbar]

Lavine, Craig and THT for MPJ, Nnaji, and Strawther?

I'm pretty sure you can't aggregate min salary players in trades any more. So it's either THT or Craig, not both.

In this case you can as you are getting back and sending 3 players each.

It’s if we were getting back 2 then it’s not allowed.

All these rules are so damn confusing

Agreed, very confusing. However that trade still can't be completed as Denver can't take back more salary than they send out.

Edit: it apparently can be done if Denver takes one of those min deals into their own min exception (or whatever it's called).

[bullsaficianado]

We gonna hand the Nuggets the championship if we trade Zach there. Denver should be all over it. I don't see anyone beating them with Jokic, Murray, Gordon, Westbrook and Lavine.

[Donkedave]

I'm pretty sure you can't aggregate min salary players in trades any more. So it's either THT or Craig, not both.

In this case you can as you are getting back and sending 3 players each.

It’s if we were getting back 2 then it’s not allowed.

All these rules are so damn confusing

Agreed, very confusing. However that trade still can't be completed as Denver can't take back more salary than they send out.

Edit: it apparently can be done if Denver takes one of those min deals into their own min exception (or whatever it's called).

We also get a TPE by doing a that! Not that we will use it!! Lol

[Muzbar]

If the Warriors come back to the table with interest in Zach (I'm still doubtful), I can see AK accepting a deal like this:

Bulls receive:
Tim Hardaway Jr (Det)
Jonathan Kuminga (GSW)
Gary Payton II (GSW)

Warriors receive:
Zach LaVine (Chi)

Pistons receive:
Andrew Wiggins (GSW)

Bulls get a young somewhat established player with plenty of potential left and expiring contracts. AK isn't into draft picks, he'll want young potentially 'win sooner than later' pieces.

I actually like Kuminga, but I'm not real keen on getting him back as he needs a big pay day, similar to Giddey.

[drosestruts]

My "out of nowhere" LaVine trade would be a deal that sends him to Memphis.


Bulls in: Marcus Smart, Brandon Clarke, Luke Kennard, 2025 1st, 2027 1st, 2027 2nd


Grizzlies in: Zach LaVine and Torrey Craig


Grizzlies just go for it with a starting five of Morant-Bane-LaVine-JJJ-Edey while having GG Jackson, Aldama, Craig, Pippen Jr and Huff all off the bench. Grizzlies are legit title contenders following this trade.

Bulls get shorter, smaller contracts, and future picks.

[Chi town]

My "out of nowhere" LaVine trade would be a deal that sends him to Memphis.


Bulls in: Marcus Smart, Brandon Clarke, Luke Kennard, 2025 1st, 2027 1st, 2027 2nd


Grizzlies in: Zach LaVine and Torrey Craig


Grizzlies just go for it with a starting five of Morant-Bane-LaVine-JJJ-Edey while having GG Jackson, Aldama, Craig, Pippen Jr and Huff all off the bench. Grizzlies are legit title contenders following this trade.

Bulls get shorter, smaller contracts, and future picks.

I’ve been thinking about them too.

Think it’s a good trade for both teams. West is open at the top and Grizz would be tough with Morant and Lavine.

Don’t think they’d pay two 1sts tho.

[Chi town]

If the Warriors come back to the table with interest in Zach (I'm still doubtful), I can see AK accepting a deal like this:

Bulls receive:
Tim Hardaway Jr (Det)
Jonathan Kuminga (GSW)
Gary Payton II (GSW)

Warriors receive:
Zach LaVine (Chi)

Pistons receive:
Andrew Wiggins (GSW)

Bulls get a young somewhat established player with plenty of potential left and expiring contracts. AK isn't into draft picks, he'll want young potentially 'win sooner than later' pieces.

I actually like Kuminga, but I'm not real keen on getting him back as he needs a big pay day, similar to Giddey.

This would be the framework but I just don’t think the Dubs have the contracts. Wiggins is playing well for them and they don’t have enough after the trade to really make a push for the chip.

The juice isn’t worth the squeeze for them. They can’t lose Wiggins and Kuminga. They need size.

I think Vuc goes to Dubs.

[leo921]

if we do the MPJ/Zeke trade I would demand either the 2031 pick or at least a 2031 pick swap.

For Zeke this is year 1 of his 4yr/32m deal, I would let him play this year and next. then there would be
2 years/16m left and I would waive and stretch his deal so it should end up more like 5 years at 3m each.

Go with a Ayo/White/MPJ/PWill/Smith lineup with Giddy/Ball/Phillips/Matas/Sanago plus whatever we get
for Vuc.

I think we can use MPJ to trade this offseason at the draft to either move up in the draft or to get another draft pick.

[sco]

if we do the MPJ/Zeke trade I would demand either the 2031 pick or at least a 2031 pick swap.

For Zeke this is year 1 of his 4yr/32m deal, I would let him play this year and next. then there would be
2 years/16m left and I would waive and stretch his deal so it should end up more like 5 years at 3m each.

Go with a Ayo/White/MPJ/PWill/Smith lineup with Giddy/Ball/Phillips/Matas/Sanago plus whatever we get
for Vuc.

I think we can use MPJ to trade this offseason at the draft to either move up in the draft or to get another draft pick.

I guess if we get the 1st (I have no confidence any swap would ever pay off with DEN), I could see it. That said, man, I think that MPJ will be every bit as hard to unload for an asset as Zach was...if not for a pick, I'm against the deal. Especially since that the Naaji deal seems like just another contract we'll be stuck with for a guy who is no better than vet min dudes.

[Red8911]

We gonna hand the Nuggets the championship if we trade Zach there. Denver should be all over it. I don't see anyone beating them with Jokic, Murray, Gordon, Westbrook and Lavine.

Take it easy there. You guys do realize that MPJ averages 18 PPG for them right , he’s no scrub and Zach isn’t some huge upgrade for them.