NBA Trade Thread #11

[waffle]

no to Butler...And I love that lad but...no

[Dan Z]

A few people have suggested trading Coby. What kind of value do you think he has? Right now I'd imagine his value is at a low point.

[MrSparkle]

A few people have suggested trading Coby. What kind of value do you think he has? Right now I'd imagine his value is at a low point.

I’d be surprised if someone traded a mid-1st pick, but that’s where I think it’s gotta be for both sides. A fringe playoff team (13-18 draft range) looking for bump and future guard. Spurs perhaps the most logical, as his shooting could pair with Castle’s playmaking and defense.

Bulls spent 6 years developing this kid. Seems like a poor pay off to send him out for what could be another Dalen Terry, but he’s been lackluster. Still I think AKME hold him on another contract. Maybe he’ll bounce back, but his career averages just aren’t all that good.

[Dan Z]

A few people have suggested trading Coby. What kind of value do you think he has? Right now I'd imagine his value is at a low point.

I’d be surprised if someone traded a mid-1st pick, but that’s where I think it’s gotta be for both sides. A fringe playoff team (13-18 draft range) looking for bump and future guard. Spurs perhaps the most logical, as his shooting could pair with Castle’s playmaking and defense.

Bulls spent 6 years developing this kid. Seems like a poor pay off to send him out for what could be another Dalen Terry, but he’s been lackluster. Still I think AKME hold him on another contract. Maybe he’ll bounce back, but his career averages just aren’t all that good.

At this point maybe AK should just hang on to him and hope he improves? Then if he wants to trade him do it in the off season?

[sco]

With the Randle situation going to the dumps in Minny could we swap Giddey for him? I don't have too much of an issue with Giddey but I don't know how he fits long term. He is a complementary piece where we don't have a star. Maybe we move him to Minny to help out fill out their Kyle Anderson role (his leaving really screwed them up)

Idk about bringing Randle to Chicago, he is a bit of a black hole in the paint, but is a real PF and at worst he would opt-in next year. But at least that gives us some money to use in a trade at the next deadline (if AKME actually made one)

My silver linings to this would be Pat/Buz at the SF slot with Randle eating minutes at PF and Coby getting back on the ball and hopefully out of his funk.

My biggest fear is that Randle would force us into a worse version of Deebo ball as he likes the same spots in the mid-range and could screw with spacing. He was always good on a rip and run fast break so maybe that wouldn't suffer too much. I watched a lot of him in LA (where I live) and his stint on the Knicks wasn't so bad. He was never getting them to the Finals but he was a legit player. When he pushes the break off a rebound he looks really good and I can see Billy really emphasizing that.

*This is all under the assumption that the FO isn't looking to tank, because let's face it they won't.

Having watched a lot of Randle when he was in NY, he definitely plays like Deebo. He can score, but he's a bit of a black hole and not much of a rim protector, but at least puts some effort on defense. I think I'd rather see if we can resign Giddey for MLE to Pat-type $, and risk losing him for nothing than trade him for Randle.

[ChettheJet]

A few people have suggested trading Coby. What kind of value do you think he has? Right now I'd imagine his value is at a low point.

I’d be surprised if someone traded a mid-1st pick, but that’s where I think it’s gotta be for both sides. A fringe playoff team (13-18 draft range) looking for bump and future guard. Spurs perhaps the most logical, as his shooting could pair with Castle’s playmaking and defense.

Bulls spent 6 years developing this kid. Seems like a poor pay off to send him out for what could be another Dalen Terry, but he’s been lackluster. Still I think AKME hold him on another contract. Maybe he’ll bounce back, but his career averages just aren’t all that good.

I don't see why people want to trade him. Say the Bulls get that 12-16 range pick, yes they save the cash difference between Coby's next contract and the cheap rookie first salary to get a kid who they hope is at least as good. OK look at the other team. They get a ready made combo guard who needs a new contract. Why do they rate Coby as having more to give than the Bulls when they could sign a dozen similar FA combo guards to a smaller one or two year contract and still draft the kid with their pick?

I see the Bulls looking at Coby like Kirk Hinrich, who twice they should have just kept. Steady, loyal team guy, does whatever job needs doing, looks like more of a leader than Zach or Vuc ever have.

[sco]

A few people have suggested trading Coby. What kind of value do you think he has? Right now I'd imagine his value is at a low point.

I’d be surprised if someone traded a mid-1st pick, but that’s where I think it’s gotta be for both sides. A fringe playoff team (13-18 draft range) looking for bump and future guard. Spurs perhaps the most logical, as his shooting could pair with Castle’s playmaking and defense.

Bulls spent 6 years developing this kid. Seems like a poor pay off to send him out for what could be another Dalen Terry, but he’s been lackluster. Still I think AKME hold him on another contract. Maybe he’ll bounce back, but his career averages just aren’t all that good.

I don't see why people want to trade him. Say the Bulls get that 12-16 range pick, yes they save the cash difference between Coby's next contract and the cheap rookie first salary to get a kid who they hope is at least as good. OK look at the other team. They get a ready made combo guard who needs a new contract. Why do they rate Coby as having more to give than the Bulls when they could sign a dozen similar FA combo guards to a smaller one or two year contract and still draft the kid with their pick?

I see the Bulls looking at Coby like Kirk Hinrich, who twice they should have just kept. Steady, loyal team guy, does whatever job needs doing, looks like more of a leader than Zach or Vuc ever have.

IMO, the reason to trade Coby is akin to tanking. We are in limbo and the only way to get out of limbo is to find the new cornerstone player. If you get a pick for Coby, that player won't likely be as good as Coby, BUT there's that slim chance that you get "the guy" with that pick (or you can aggregate picks to trade for "the guy"), but regardless, it's another, albeit slim, chance.

[2weekswithpay]

A few people have suggested trading Coby. What kind of value do you think he has? Right now I'd imagine his value is at a low point.

A FRP and maybe a prospect. Coby's been disappointing, but considering he's only being paid 12M this season, he's certainly worth what he's being paid. For comparison, Cole Anthony, who has been horrible this season, is making 13M. Clarkson is at 14M, Sexton at 18M, and Rozier, who the Heat traded a FRP for, is making 25M. Simons is 26M etc.

Yeah, Coby isn't going to be a star but he's on the best contract compared to the other scoring guards.

[Infinity2152]

A few people have suggested trading Coby. What kind of value do you think he has? Right now I'd imagine his value is at a low point.

I’d be surprised if someone traded a mid-1st pick, but that’s where I think it’s gotta be for both sides. A fringe playoff team (13-18 draft range) looking for bump and future guard. Spurs perhaps the most logical, as his shooting could pair with Castle’s playmaking and defense.

Bulls spent 6 years developing this kid. Seems like a poor pay off to send him out for what could be another Dalen Terry, but he’s been lackluster. Still I think AKME hold him on another contract. Maybe he’ll bounce back, but his career averages just aren’t all that good.

I don't see why people want to trade him. Say the Bulls get that 12-16 range pick, yes they save the cash difference between Coby's next contract and the cheap rookie first salary to get a kid who they hope is at least as good. OK look at the other team. They get a ready made combo guard who needs a new contract. Why do they rate Coby as having more to give than the Bulls when they could sign a dozen similar FA combo guards to a smaller one or two year contract and still draft the kid with their pick?

I see the Bulls looking at Coby like Kirk Hinrich, who twice they should have just kept. Steady, loyal team guy, does whatever job needs doing, looks like more of a leader than Zach or Vuc ever have.

The main reason for me to trade him is he seems streaky on offense and weak on defense. Neither of those seems likely to change, he's not especially crafty at driving or finishing, his ceiling seems good sixth man. We're still looking for at least one starter, and he's expiring next year. His value will be lower next year as an expiring almost certainly. And Ayo's contract comes up at the same time, I'd rather pay Ayo less to be sixth man at this point. Kirk Hinrich was a two-way guard, much more solid and consistent than Coby. Think we only let Hinrich go because we were chasing Lebron and needed to clear cap.

There are other teams who could use a scoring sixth man on Coby's caliber RIGHT NOW far more than we can. Most contenders could easily trade $12 mill expirings and future pick(s) for help right now, especially since Coby is still young.

Wouldn't take less than a mid first this draft, multiple future firsts, or good prospect and expiring. Saves us cap, but also gives us more chances to draft a star. With luck, we could draft a star even with a later pick, like Butler. We'll give up a whole season for a draft pick, Coby's one of the few players we can trade and get an extra first round draft pick.

If we actually move Lavine, I withdraw my trade request, but Coby's worse, far easier to trade, likely to be considered overpaid on his next contract, and a bad fit with Zach.

[MrSparkle]

I’m not advising we trade him. His best season is probably ahead of him. Just disappointed more than anything. I’d sooner trade him on draft night if you know what prospect you’re drafting.

But even then, I was hoping his improved defense, IQ and shooting would stick, but it doesn’t. Keeps reverting to his below-average means. I think if the FO locks him into $20M contract ala Pat, we are stuck with a most mediocre use of $40M+. Throw Giddey and Ayo in there and we have an 80M bench starting games into 2029.

[League Circles]

I wonder if a deal could be made with Indiana where we get Obi Toppin and their draft pick?

[Infinity2152]

Something to consider: some tax teams may end up in the lottery. Maybe even contenders if they have injuries or another team's pick. Number 5 picks projects to make $7.6 mill next year. That could cost double or more to a tax team. Could push some teams past the first or second cap. Bulls have been consistently picking between like 4 and 10, so pretty high. If we end up with say the 4 pick and Spurs get it, we can immediately trade the next years pick, right? It's possible Bulls could then use that pick to trade back into this draft, given we project to be worse if we move Lavine and Vuc.

Every team doesn't have the space or need to give a top 10 rookie minutes, especially if they're not impressed with who's left at their draft choice, say 8. Other team could possibly get a higher pick next year and save the money this year. May have to be unprotected, or add Phillips or second as sweetener. Could be attractive to some teams.

[sco]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/golden-state-warriors-may-warming-003020048.html

If we got Podz or Kuminga in a Zach deal, I might be ok with that. That'd be predicated on Kuminga us getting Kuminga's RFA rights. Right now, I doubt anyone is stepping up to pay him $30M. I know he is a below average 3pt shooter, but I think that could improve and he's got a scorer's mentality. Wiggins actually is quietly having a decent season...shooting 44% from 3 with 1 stl per game.

[Muzbar]

I wonder if a deal could be made with Indiana where we get Obi Toppin and their draft pick?

Their 2028 draft pick? Or did you mean 2nd rounder?

[Chi town]

With Magic dealing with another injury wonder if a Vuc and Coby trade would help them salvage the season. Mo Wagner will be out this and most of next season with that acl.

[League Circles]

I wonder if a deal could be made with Indiana where we get Obi Toppin and their draft pick?

Their 2028 draft pick? Or did you mean 2nd rounder?

I meant their 2025 draft pick, which I'm now guessing they no longer own?

[Muzbar]

I wonder if a deal could be made with Indiana where we get Obi Toppin and their draft pick?

Their 2028 draft pick? Or did you mean 2nd rounder?

I meant their 2025 draft pick, which I'm now guessing they no longer own?

They traded their 2026 pick for Siakam and teams can't trade consecutive picks, to the earliest they can trade is 2028.

[Infinity2152]

Seems like most likely Bulls trade is Zach to the Nuggets. Rumors there's an offer and Nnaji being included is the holdup. Contract doesn't even look that bad, three years 23 mill left, player option third year, descending every year. Shot over 40% from three on 1.5-2 attempts per game his first two years, poorly last two, 6'9, 240, 24 years old. Not getting minutes behind Saric and Aaron Gordon. Hell, add another player and they take Carter, I'm cool with taking a shot on Nnaji.

[2weekswithpay]

Seems like most likely Bulls trade is Zach to the Nuggets. Rumors there's an offer and Nnaji being included is the holdup. Contract doesn't even look that bad, three years 23 mill left, player option third year, descending every year. Shot over 40% from three on 1.5-2 attempts per game his first two years, poorly last two, 6'9, 240, 24 years old. Not getting minutes behind Saric and Aaron Gordon. Hell, add another player and they take Carter, I'm cool with taking a shot on Nnaji.

I think you're being too generous to Nnaji here. The Nuggets have had a bad bench for a while now, and Nnaji can't crack the rotation. Saric is washed and hasn't played in a month and Gordon has also missed half the season. Even when both Gordon and Saric don't play Nnaji still doesn't get any playing time.

[Infinity2152]

Seems like most likely Bulls trade is Zach to the Nuggets. Rumors there's an offer and Nnaji being included is the holdup. Contract doesn't even look that bad, three years 23 mill left, player option third year, descending every year. Shot over 40% from three on 1.5-2 attempts per game his first two years, poorly last two, 6'9, 240, 24 years old. Not getting minutes behind Saric and Aaron Gordon. Hell, add another player and they take Carter, I'm cool with taking a shot on Nnaji.

I think you're being too generous to Nnaji here. The Nuggets have had a bad bench for a while now, and Nnaji can't crack the rotation. Saric is washed and hasn't played in a month and Gordon has also missed half the season. Even when both Gordon and Saric don't play Nnaji still doesn't get any playing time.

Not an expert on Nnaji at all. Like I said, I see his three point shot has been way worse the last two years, that could have something to do with it. Have you actually watched him play? Nuggets have Vlatko Cancar, Daron Holmes, and Hunter Tyson also listed at forward. So 6 players listed at PF, plus 6'10 PJ Hall listed at center, played PF in college. MPJ also plays PF at times, probably starts there when Gordon is out. Spencer Jones 6'7, 235lb forward. Peyton Watson 6'7, 200. Lot of competition for minutes, 10 guys who can play the position when needed. Nuggets have been a championship team for years also, not many minutes going to young players, even if Saric is washed.

We have maybe two, and either one could easily slide to SF. Nnaji was a baller in HS and college, won Pac12 freshman of the year (16 pts, 8.9 rebounds), straight to the league after that. Nuggets thought enough of him to give him a nice extension just last year. Article calls him another Denver success story in player development. Seems like exactly the type of guy we should be targeting for backup PF, young prospect signed to decent second contract, buried on a contender's bench.

https://www.si.com/nba/nuggets/news/nuggets-sign-former-first-round-pick-to-big-contract-extension