Moritz Wagner Out for the Season with a Torn ACL in his Left Knee

[thelead]

Not sure why there is such a hissy fit about the suggestion of trading him and then resigning him this summer? The dude won't be available for over a year.... he's not playing for anyone this season and most of the next one too.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Not sure why there is such a hissy fit about the suggestion of trading him and then resigning him this summer? The dude won't be available for over a year.... he's not playing for anyone this season and most of the next one too.

My “hissy fit” has to do with his access to the rehab facility, doctors, and cost if he is traded.

[CLosP]

I mean if we can package him and Gary Harris for something I’m all for it. I do see us accepting his option though if we don’t trade him. I don’t see Orlando being aggressive in making a move.

Not sure why he’s being downplayed though. He plays much more physical than Wendell & was our best offensive player off the bench. He definitely could have made a case for 6th man this year. For the time being we need JI to play so we can keep one of Goga/WCJ on the floor at all times but who knows if we can count on him.

[thelead]

Not sure why there is such a hissy fit about the suggestion of trading him and then resigning him this summer? The dude won't be available for over a year.... he's not playing for anyone this season and most of the next one too.

My “hissy fit” has to do with his access to the rehab facility, doctors, and cost if he is traded.

Not sure why he couldn't be allowed to rehab with the team if he's cut by the other team.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Not sure why there is such a hissy fit about the suggestion of trading him and then resigning him this summer? The dude won't be available for over a year.... he's not playing for anyone this season and most of the next one too.

My “hissy fit” has to do with his access to the rehab facility, doctors, and cost if he is traded.

Not sure why he couldn't be allowed to rehab with the team if he's cut by the other team.

We can get another player through the disabled player exception while allowing Mo to rehab and not have to trade him at all.

[thelead]

My “hissy fit” has to do with his access to the rehab facility, doctors, and cost if he is traded.

Not sure why he couldn't be allowed to rehab with the team if he's cut by the other team.

We can get another player through the disabled player exception while allowing Mo to rehab and not have to trade him at all.

whoever is out there will not be as good as a player we can get by trading Mo's contract and picks for... like Cam Johnson. That dude would instantly become our 3rd best scorer and a legit one at that.

[FFBlitzace]

I wouldn't classify it as a hissy fit. For starters, a lot of these scenarios are just fantasy scenarios to begin with. Classic "some team will surely trade us their gold for our mediocre players and the most worthless future pick we have" scenarios that all 30 fanbases bat around every year. If a homerun scenario like that actually presented itself, a player like Mo Wagner should not and would not be a player that prevents it from happening, even if he wasn't injured. But it's not going to happen.

We have been an organization under Jeff Weltman that has looked out for the player. It's the agent's job to negotiate contracts. I'm not really buying into any narrative of potential preexisting fractures in the relationship between him and the team. Weltman really places a focus on how players view the organization. There is a clear belief that it matters and that it will pay dividends. That it's already paying dividends. He's not going to throw that away by aggressively looking to dump an important player the moment that player suffers a season ending injury. Whether you share that same belief as Weltman can be its own discussion.

[fendilim]

Damn. What a year

[pepe1991]

Damn. What a year

it's crazy. One year we are healthiest nba team, next year we are among most broken ones. Hopefully after this season things go back to "normal" injury year(s).

[basketballRob]

Not sure why he couldn't be allowed to rehab with the team if he's cut by the other team.

We can get another player through the disabled player exception while allowing Mo to rehab and not have to trade him at all.

whoever is out there will not be as good as a player we can get by trading Mo's contract and picks for... like Cam Johnson. That dude would instantly become our 3rd best scorer and a legit one at that.

The Warriors just did the same thing with Melton, whose out for the season, and they traded him for Schroder. Cam Johnson could potentially put us over the top, and Moe is expiring. That's what the Nets are looking for.

Cam would eliminate our need for another big. He's an analytics darling like Franz. He's efficient on defense and offense. His defense would even look better playing with a bunch of defensive minded players. Cam is a better player than Moe and theoretically would make us a better team.

Now we could offer an expiring package for Cam along with 2 picks.

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[drsd]

Any more of dem giant Georgians we can sign?

Dwight Howard is from Georgia.

D-Howard is still in shape and might be a better option than any G-league player. Bringing him back would sell tickets also.

[drsd]

Watched a couple times him tear his ACL. It is exactly how I tore my left ACL. Just planted left and pop.

What a fluke injury. Nothing like Shaun Livingston or Isaac in how they destroyed their respective knees.

[Skybox]

We can get another player through the disabled player exception while allowing Mo to rehab and not have to trade him at all.

whoever is out there will not be as good as a player we can get by trading Mo's contract and picks for... like Cam Johnson. That dude would instantly become our 3rd best scorer and a legit one at that.

The Warriors just did the same thing with Melton, whose out for the season, and they traded him for Schroder. Cam Johnson could potentially put us over the top, and Moe is expiring. That's what the Nets are looking for.

Cam would eliminate our need for another big. He's an analytics darling like Franz. He's efficient on defense and offense. His defense would even look better playing with a bunch of defensive minded players. Cam is a better player than Moe and theoretically would make us a better team.

Now we could offer an expiring package for Cam along with 2 picks.

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…I don’t see any reason why Moe would be forbidden by NBA to continue to receive medical care/access to ORL staff. Salary slots & cap are about on-court parity. BRK or whoever could pay his expiring salary as part of a trade and never even assign him a locker. Moe could be another $11m expiring to add to a package to a team more interested in salary relief than immediate contributions.

IMO, ORL would look even more “family” by doing this and keeping him in town…future NBA situation to be sorted out in ‘26, but “we take care of our own” blah blah

[jezzerinho]

I wouldn't classify it as a hissy fit. For starters, a lot of these scenarios are just fantasy scenarios to begin with. Classic "some team will surely trade us their gold for our mediocre players and the most worthless future pick we have" scenarios that all 30 fanbases bat around every year. If a homerun scenario like that actually presented itself, a player like Mo Wagner should not and would not be a player that prevents it from happening, even if he wasn't injured. But it's not going to happen.

We have been an organization under Jeff Weltman that has looked out for the player. It's the agent's job to negotiate contracts. I'm not really buying into any narrative of potential preexisting fractures in the relationship between him and the team. Weltman really places a focus on how players view the organization. There is a clear belief that it matters and that it will pay dividends. That it's already paying dividends. He's not going to throw that away by aggressively looking to dump an important player the moment that player suffers a season ending injury. Whether you share that same belief as Weltman can be its own discussion.

Yup. Basically what a few of us are saying. This is 180deg off of Weltman's modus operandi, to trade Moe now. He won't do it.

And frankly, for once he's right. You'd be selling low on a v good player. You'd be pissing off your star-at-worst-superstar-at-best player. You'd be breaking the bond of trust with the roster that you built when you extended a guy in JI that can't see the court, a guy in WCJ that plays 55 games a season, resign Harris who is constantly injured, keep around a guy in Fultz that.... I cant bring myself to finish the sentence.

Isn't happening.

I've never considered Moe one of our legitimate trade assets, due to his bro (and he's played really well for us), I'm certainly not going to change my mind now he's broken and worth much less anyway.

[ValvPiti]

Goga was already playing lots of minutes, and I assume he will play even more now at least until Paolo is back. I have been monitoring Goga a bit lately and he puts up some big numbers. Is he the real deal? How well is he actually playing? Haven't kept up with the Magic since they got injured.

[basketballRob]

I wouldn't classify it as a hissy fit. For starters, a lot of these scenarios are just fantasy scenarios to begin with. Classic "some team will surely trade us their gold for our mediocre players and the most worthless future pick we have" scenarios that all 30 fanbases bat around every year. If a homerun scenario like that actually presented itself, a player like Mo Wagner should not and would not be a player that prevents it from happening, even if he wasn't injured. But it's not going to happen.

We have been an organization under Jeff Weltman that has looked out for the player. It's the agent's job to negotiate contracts. I'm not really buying into any narrative of potential preexisting fractures in the relationship between him and the team. Weltman really places a focus on how players view the organization. There is a clear belief that it matters and that it will pay dividends. That it's already paying dividends. He's not going to throw that away by aggressively looking to dump an important player the moment that player suffers a season ending injury. Whether you share that same belief as Weltman can be its own discussion.

Yup. Basically what a few of us are saying. This is 180deg off of Weltman's modus operandi, to trade Moe now. He won't do it.

And frankly, for once he's right. You'd be selling low on a v good player. You'd be pissing off your star-at-worst-superstar-at-best player. You'd be breaking the bond of trust with the roster that you built when you extended a guy in JI that can't see the court, a guy in WCJ that plays 55 games a season, resign Harris who is constantly injured, keep around a guy in Fultz that.... I cant bring myself to finish the sentence.

Isn't happening.

I've never considered Moe one of our legitimate trade assets, due to his bro (and he's played really well for us), I'm certainly not going to change my mind now he's broken and worth much less anyway.

I could see us not trading him even though it's against the team's best interest. I definitely don't agree with picking up his $11m option or extending him. He may not even be in the rotation next season.

How long do we need to keep Moe because we have Franz?

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[RichCollab]

Moe is part of the collective spirit of this team and one of the key inside the circle players. You could see that by everyone’s response to his injury.

Moe was having his best season of his career and top 3 for 6 man of the year.

Harris
Caleb
Jett
Corey
KCP

All seem more outside the spiritual bond of the players that have been here. Fultz was kept until he was so far gone because he was apart of the collective.

Moe’s performance was up. We are winning games right now only because of the collective spirit.

Moving Moe by trade or not picking up his option seems so foreign to what this team is about.

[basketballRob]

Moe is part of the collective spirit of this team and one of the key inside the circle players. You could see that by everyone’s response to his injury.

Moe was having his best season of his career and top 3 for 6 man of the year.

Harris
Caleb
Jett
Corey
KCP

All seem more outside the spiritual bond of the players that have been here. Fultz was kept until he was so far gone because he was apart of the collective.

Moe’s performance was up. We are winning games right now only because of the collective spirit.

Moving Moe by trade or not picking up his option seems so foreign to what this team is about.

Not picking up his option would be after the season. Fultz was a part of the circle, too. Then he had an acl injury and wasn't good anymore.

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[RichCollab]

Moe is part of the collective spirit of this team and one of the key inside the circle players. You could see that by everyone’s response to his injury.

Moe was having his best season of his career and top 3 for 6 man of the year.

Harris
Caleb
Jett
Corey
KCP

All seem more outside the spiritual bond of the players that have been here. Fultz was kept until he was so far gone because he was apart of the collective.

Moe’s performance was up. We are winning games right now only because of the collective spirit.

Moving Moe by trade or not picking up his option seems so foreign to what this team is about.

Not picking up his option would be after the season. Fultz was a part of the circle, too. Then he had an acl injury and wasn't good anymore.

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Fultz was broken on more levels than get an ACL. And we kept and I believe even extended Fultz after his ACL. Why wouldn’t we do that for Moe?

[basketballRob]

We need to sign another big for this season and next because we don't know if Moe will be able to play at the same level. That means if Moe comes back, he'll need to accept a lower contract.

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