The 2024-25 Rookies

[nate33]

I watched a vid last night re what the redraft of 2024 might look like.
The guy had McLain and Castle at 1-2. Sarr barely made the top 10.
Kyshawn was not discussed. Bub got some love.

I don't really understand all the love for Castle. The guy has a TS% of .492 and a 3P% of .282 and yet he carries a distressingly high usage (22.2%) for a guy with such awful efficiency.

I'm assuming he is doing a fine job on defense, but that alone isn't enough if you're a 6-6 guard.

[bsilver]

I watched a vid last night re what the redraft of 2024 might look like.
The guy had McLain and Castle at 1-2. Sarr barely made the top 10.
Kyshawn was not discussed. Bub got some love.

I don't really understand all the love for Castle. The guy has a TS% of .492 and a 3P% of .282 and yet he carries a distressingly high usage (22.2%) for a guy with such awful efficiency.

I'm assuming he is doing a fine job on defense, but that alone isn't enough if you're a 6-6 guard.

It's got to be the competition. Other than McCain no one is playing that well.

[Kanyewest]

I watched a vid last night re what the redraft of 2024 might look like.
The guy had McLain and Castle at 1-2. Sarr barely made the top 10.
Kyshawn was not discussed. Bub got some love.

I don't really understand all the love for Castle. The guy has a TS% of .492 and a 3P% of .282 and yet he carries a distressingly high usage (22.2%) for a guy with such awful efficiency.

I'm assuming he is doing a fine job on defense, but that alone isn't enough if you're a 6-6 guard.

I just listened to a Bill Simmons podcast, Simmons was asking everyone who they would take at #1 if they re-did the draft. Jacoby listed Risacher and then Jared McCain. Simmons had Risacher or Castle (Simmons said he would have taken Castle at #1 at the time although I think he also said Reed Shepherd in a previous podcast). Kirk Goldsbury said he would take Castle.

Maybe it's because Castle is coming off a really good game though so there is some recency bias.

[9 and 20]

I bet Bub would have much better numbers if he were on SA, playing between Wembanyama and Chris Paul. Not sure Castle would be getting the love if he were in DC.

[closg00]

I watched a vid last night re what the redraft of 2024 might look like.
The guy had McLain and Castle at 1-2. Sarr barely made the top 10.
Kyshawn was not discussed. Bub got some love.

I don't really understand all the love for Castle. The guy has a TS% of .492 and a 3P% of .282 and yet he carries a distressingly high usage (22.2%) for a guy with such awful efficiency.

I'm assuming he is doing a fine job on defense, but that alone isn't enough if you're a 6-6 guard.

So our rookies get a grace period but Castle gets none? Doesn't make sense.

[Benjammin]

Hating on Sarr because he was the second pick in the draft while not considering his potential trajectory of growth is asinine. Like it or not, he had by far the most potential at that pick.

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[nate33]

I watched a vid last night re what the redraft of 2024 might look like.
The guy had McLain and Castle at 1-2. Sarr barely made the top 10.
Kyshawn was not discussed. Bub got some love.

I don't really understand all the love for Castle. The guy has a TS% of .492 and a 3P% of .282 and yet he carries a distressingly high usage (22.2%) for a guy with such awful efficiency.

I'm assuming he is doing a fine job on defense, but that alone isn't enough if you're a 6-6 guard.

So our rookies get a grace period but Castle gets none? Doesn't make sense.

Perhaps I wasn't clear.

I like Castle as a prospect and I can buy that he will pan out to be a useful player, just as I project Carrington and Sarr to be useful players. What I don't understand is this general consensus that Castle is some sort of standout rookie. As far as I can tell, the only standout rookie is McCain. There's a bunch of other guys who are underwhelming right now but show potential to be useful down the road, including Castle, Carrington, Sarr, Risacher, Wells and Missi.

I don't have problem with Castle being ranked in the same tier as guys like Sarr, Carrington and Risacher, or even if someone thinks he has been a bit better. But he is not clearly head and shoulders above them all.

[DCZards]

Perhaps I wasn't clear.

I like Castle as a prospect and I can buy that he will pan out to be a useful player, just as I project Carrington and Sarr to be useful players. What I don't understand is this general consensus that Castle is some sort of standout rookie. As far as I can tell, the only standout rookie is McCain. There's a bunch of other guys who are underwhelming right now but show potential to be useful down the road, including Castle, Carrington, Sarr, Risacher, Wells and Missi.

I don't have problem with Castle being ranked in the same tier as guys like Sarr, Carrington and Risacher, or even if someone thinks he has been a bit better. But he is not clearly head and shoulders above them all.

I don’t think they are saying that Castle is “head and shoulders” above those rookies ranked below him. But it is reasonable to rank him in the top 2 or 3, imo.

What Castle did well at UConn— defense, the ability to create off the dribble, physical toughness, and decision making—has carried over to the NBA.

As you point out, Castle has not shot the ball well. He will need to improve his shooting if he’s going to become an outstanding NBA player.

[Kanyewest]

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[AFM]

Wow.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Devastating.

[tontoz]

Bummer. At least it's a miniscus not an ACL.

[closg00]

Damn, McCain was probably going to be a lock for ROY, now it’s pretty open.

[dckingsfan]

I don't really understand all the love for Castle. The guy has a TS% of .492 and a 3P% of .282 and yet he carries a distressingly high usage (22.2%) for a guy with such awful efficiency.

I'm assuming he is doing a fine job on defense, but that alone isn't enough if you're a 6-6 guard.

So our rookies get a grace period but Castle gets none? Doesn't make sense.

Perhaps I wasn't clear.

I like Castle as a prospect and I can buy that he will pan out to be a useful player, just as I project Carrington and Sarr to be useful players. What I don't understand is this general consensus that Castle is some sort of standout rookie. As far as I can tell, the only standout rookie is McCain. There's a bunch of other guys who are underwhelming right now but show potential to be useful down the road, including Castle, Carrington, Sarr, Risacher, Wells and Missi.

I don't have problem with Castle being ranked in the same tier as guys like Sarr, Carrington and Risacher, or even if someone thinks he has been a bit better. But he is not clearly head and shoulders above them all.

It is because this mediocre rookie class and they have to push someone.

Comparing the top two from last year to this year's top 2, Holmgren & Wembanyama vs. McCain & Castle.

Gotta hype something.

[nate33]

Damn, McCain was probably going to be a lock for ROY, now it’s pretty open.

A torn meniscus might not be very bad at all - 3 or 4 weeks or so. It depends if the tear is in the outer or inner meniscus. Inner meniscus gets less blood flow and heals slower.

[payitforward]

...Comparing the top two from last year... Holmgren & Wembanyama...

...they were drafted in different years!

[payitforward]

Of the top 11 taken in 2022, only 2 had good rookie years.

Of the top 11 taken in 2023, only 4 had good rookie years.

[dckingsfan]

...Comparing the top two from last year... Holmgren & Wembanyama...

...they were drafted in different years!

Omitting the rest of the quote misses the context - reread please.

[closg00]

Yves Missi is on NO’s untradeable list.

[payitforward]

...Comparing the top two from last year... Holmgren & Wembanyama...

...they were drafted in different years!

Omitting the rest of the quote misses the context - reread please.

I wasn't questioning your point -- not at all -- just correcting. Top two last year were Wemby & Brandon Miller.