Heat bottom out and trade Bam

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Heat bottom out and trade Bam 

Post#1 » by VaDe255 » Mon Dec 23, 2024 10:02 am

Why would the Heat do this?

Bams defense is elite and his skill set leans heavily on his defensive impact, but his limited offensive game makes it hard for him to be the kind of player you can build around in a league so focused on scoring versatility
He's a great complimentary player to set screens, act as a hub for DHOs around elite perimeter creators on offense, catch lobs and occasionally get to the rim but that is as far as it goes with him on that end

The Bam/Herro core, is arguably worse than the Mitchell/Gobert core that Utah blew up a few years ago

Why are the Thunder doing this? They are getting one of the best versatile defenders in the league, making them absolutely elite on that end and with SGA/JDub they have two elite offensive talents to play around Bam as a facilitator on that end, they become immediate favorites to win the title for possibly years to come.

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Heat would trade Butler as well and look for a reset in this deep draft.

They keep Herro and get him a defensive oriented back court partner in Wallace, then reevaluate on Herro based on his play in the next few years before signing him to any extension.

Certainly an unlikely scenario, but I have this as a valid path for them to look for a quicker timeline of contention than hoping to land another 2 way star around Bam/Herro and Herro also significantly improving into at least a top 10 offensive talent.

(Bam can be traded before deadline starting from 6th January btw.)
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Re: Heat bottom out and trade Bam 

Post#2 » by _GH0ST_ » Mon Dec 23, 2024 11:44 am

I liked this for both teams. OKC already an elite D team, would be the favorite in the league if they acquired the league's best switch defender.
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Re: Heat bottom out and trade Bam 

Post#3 » by drchaos » Mon Dec 23, 2024 11:58 am

With all of those first rounders going to the Heat they might want a player or two from the Nets fire sale for one or two of them.
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Re: Heat bottom out and trade Bam 

Post#4 » by cgf » Mon Dec 23, 2024 12:12 pm

Shame we don't have the FRPs to make it work anymore because Bam + Burks for Bridges/Hart + McBride + Robinson + draft compensation could've been fun.

Brunson - Bridges* - Anunoby - Towns - Adebayo
Payne - Burks - Achiuwa

Rozier/Herro - Hart* - Butler - Jovic - Ware/M.Robinson
Rozier/Herro - McBride - D.Robinson - Jaquez - Ware/M.Robinson
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Re: Heat bottom out and trade Bam 

Post#5 » by _GH0ST_ » Mon Dec 23, 2024 1:05 pm

cgf wrote:Shame we don't have the FRPs to make it work anymore because Bam + Burks for Bridges/Hart + McBride + Robinson + draft compensation could've been fun.

Brunson - Bridges* - Anunoby - Towns - Adebayo
Payne - Burks - Achiuwa

Rozier/Herro - Hart* - Butler - Jovic - Ware/M.Robinson
Rozier/Herro - McBride - D.Robinson - Jaquez - Ware/M.Robinson

Heat trading Bam would be a blow it up. Heat's priority would be rookies and draft picks
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Re: Heat bottom out and trade Bam 

Post#6 » by sterncohen » Mon Dec 23, 2024 2:22 pm

Bam Adebayo is very, very good. He is not five first round picks and Cason Wallace better than Isaiah Hartenstein. Who, by the way, actually rates hire than Adebayo on every advanced stat I can find.
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Post#7 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Mon Dec 23, 2024 2:27 pm

If Hartenstein was playing ok but not good I think this value could make sense. Hart is playing out of his mind right now. I know Bam is better, but I’m not positive how much.
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Re: Heat bottom out and trade Bam 

Post#8 » by BBallFreak » Mon Dec 23, 2024 2:31 pm

We're not tearing it down, but if we were, this would be a good way to do it, especially since we get our pick back. I'm just not sure OKC does this because Hartenstein is so good.
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Re: Heat bottom out and trade Bam 

Post#9 » by cgf » Mon Dec 23, 2024 4:01 pm

_GH0ST_ wrote:
cgf wrote:Shame we don't have the FRPs to make it work anymore because Bam + Burks for Bridges/Hart + McBride + Robinson + draft compensation could've been fun.

Brunson - Bridges* - Anunoby - Towns - Adebayo
Payne - Burks - Achiuwa

Rozier/Herro - Hart* - Butler - Jovic - Ware/M.Robinson
Rozier/Herro - McBride - D.Robinson - Jaquez - Ware/M.Robinson

Heat trading Bam would be a blow it up. Heat's priority would be rookies and draft picks


Well, Deuce is a young stud and Bridges is worth 5 FRPs, so you could loop in a third team to pay for him :lol:
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Re: Heat bottom out and trade Bam 

Post#10 » by jbk1234 » Mon Dec 23, 2024 4:07 pm

I don't have the Thunder doing this. Chet and Jay Williams have to be paid over the next couple years. Fit is important and Hartenstein is a very good fit on the Thunder.
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Re: Heat bottom out and trade Bam 

Post#11 » by tmorgan » Mon Dec 23, 2024 10:51 pm

OKC shouldn’t be interested at that price.

Offer them a stretch big that’s at least average on defense and a solid rebounder and maybe those picks become available. Bam’s way better than that on defense, but doesn’t have the range and just isn’t big enough. He’s super deluxe Beef Stew.

OKC needs Chet insurance. Hartenstein is really good, but he still makes you run your offense differently than Chet. Such a good passer, though.
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Re: Heat bottom out and trade Bam 

Post#12 » by Hoops23 » Mon Dec 23, 2024 11:23 pm

Knowing Pat Riley, he will never do a trade like this. Riley retool, not a rebuilt that bottom out
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Re: Heat bottom out and trade Bam 

Post#13 » by axeman23 » Mon Dec 23, 2024 11:34 pm

drchaos wrote:With all of those first rounders going to the Heat they might want a player or two from the Nets fire sale for one or two of them.


There is not a single Brooklyn player I would prefer over 4 shots in this year's lottery. The 27 Denver 1st there could be a discussion over. Even if you move the "least likely" pick, that can be the 1 that hits. For a bottomed-out team, I wouldn't risk it.
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Re: Heat bottom out and trade Bam 

Post#14 » by DirtyDez » Mon Dec 23, 2024 11:53 pm

I don’t see a realistic player that the Thunder would trade the treasure chest for. I was thinking Giannis earlier in the year but Milwaukee is good now.
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Re: Heat bottom out and trade Bam 

Post#15 » by jayjaysee » Tue Dec 24, 2024 12:06 am

I don’t even think the OP is an overpay by OKC, just OKC really shouldn't mess with what’s working so well.
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Re: Heat bottom out and trade Bam 

Post#16 » by WhatsaTDot » Tue Dec 24, 2024 12:23 am

The difference between Hartenstein and Bam is 5 first round picks?
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Re: Heat bottom out and trade Bam 

Post#17 » by Devilanche » Tue Dec 24, 2024 12:36 am

WhatsaTDot wrote:The difference between Hartenstein and Bam is 5 first round picks?

He’s probably not , but it’s not like Heats will trade him while those first aren’t exactly lotto first.

Don’t think it’s worth the upgrade too before considering contract.
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Re: Heat bottom out and trade Bam 

Post#18 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Dec 24, 2024 12:56 am

OKC shouldnt make this level of a splash move. They are playing too well.

Its a small sample size but iHart is playing better than Bam so far this year. Bam is killer but his under 50 EFG% is a efficiency killer for any team, especially with usage over 20%.

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