2024-25 NBA Season Discussion

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Post#761 » by Peregrine01 » Fri Dec 20, 2024 6:32 am

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Remember that they also had a loss this lopsided to Memphis in the 2022 WCSF. Trust the process :lol:

Seriously WTF happened. I was clinging onto the whole 2022 formula being repeated again, the early season Warriors had a top 3 defense and were surrounding Curry with the right mix of athleticism and shooting. Or so it seemed. I don’t know, no one took them seriously as a title contender that year and I figured I’d be early on them this year.

This has gone spectacularly downhill since Steph’s injury. Podz is a mess, Kuminga and Green minutes are all jumbled, and it turns out that the Melton loss was huge as he was a gigantic part of their defensive success. Things look grim.


It’s tough to play that frenetic man- and ball-movement style for a full 82. They started the season on fire with their shooting and energy…only natural that they return to earth since.
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Post#762 » by Special_Puppy » Fri Dec 20, 2024 6:50 am

TheGOATRises007 wrote:Don't think the Warriors are making the playoffs again unless they fleece someone in a trade.

I already think Curry is likely past his prime.


They should still get the 6th seed
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Post#763 » by jalengreen » Fri Dec 20, 2024 7:30 am

Hield averaged 21 PPG on 69% TS% through the first 8 games of the season (when they went 7-1). 11 PPG on 55% TS% in 18 games since then. That level of offensive output from a guy coming off the bench really seemed to take them to another level, but was not particularly sustainable (and we know who Hield is as a player at this point).

I think Dennis was a good acquisition, though they'll need something else to take them any further. I don't think they'll get the 6 seed with OKC/Memphis/Houston/Dallas/Denver/Phoenix/Minnesota tbh. 7 or 8 seems like the most likely outcome?

Not actually sure how good the Suns are tbh. They're 13-3 with KD and 1-9 without him, by my count, which is insane lol. Feels like they ought to be able to avoid the play-in if (big if) he's healthy.
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Post#764 » by jjgp111292 » Fri Dec 20, 2024 2:55 pm

I was getting ready to declare yesterday the first time Jalen Green had two good halves in the same NBA game but nope, bad first half :lol:

Edit: Forgot the the Philly game. So it's happened once!
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Post#765 » by ShaqAttac » Sun Dec 22, 2024 8:38 am

4 dubs in 5. And bron goatin instead of bummin. watch out
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Post#766 » by Peregrine01 » Tue Dec 24, 2024 6:17 am

ShaqAttac wrote:4 dubs in 5. And bron goatin instead of bummin. watch out


Is there really any doubt what he was doing during that week when he just disappeared?
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Post#767 » by Mos_Heat » Tue Dec 24, 2024 6:22 am

Peregrine01 wrote:
ShaqAttac wrote:4 dubs in 5. And bron goatin instead of bummin. watch out


Is there really any doubt what he was doing during that week when he just disappeared?

Don't be shy buddy, you can say it out loud
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Post#768 » by Peregrine01 » Tue Dec 24, 2024 6:35 am

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ShaqAttac wrote:4 dubs in 5. And bron goatin instead of bummin. watch out


Is there really any doubt what he was doing during that week when he just disappeared?

Don't be shy buddy, you can say it out loud


Look, I'm not against it at all. I just don't think we need to be all shocked. It's also kinda laughable how the league tries to pretend like they care. I don't begrudge a 40 year-old professional athlete trying to get some help against guys way younger than him at all.
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Post#769 » by jalengreen » Tue Dec 24, 2024 8:03 am

Hard to imagine that his reaction immediately after a 39/10/11 game was “damn I’m cooked, I need to obtain some advantage!” I guess it’s possible but is there anything else actually pointing to it, or is it the standard LeBron conspiracy theory?
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Post#770 » by Mos_Heat » Tue Dec 24, 2024 8:21 am

Peregrine01 wrote:
Mos_Heat wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:
Is there really any doubt what he was doing during that week when he just disappeared?

Don't be shy buddy, you can say it out loud


Look, I'm not against it at all. I just don't think we need to be all shocked. It's also kinda laughable how the league tries to pretend like they care. I don't begrudge a 40 year-old professional athlete trying to get some help against guys way younger than him at all.

I don't think he has looked much better after the break. Can't jump or drive, but has more energy throughout the game
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Post#771 » by falcolombardi » Tue Dec 24, 2024 3:50 pm

Peregrine01 wrote:
Mos_Heat wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:
Is there really any doubt what he was doing during that week when he just disappeared?

Don't be shy buddy, you can say it out loud


Look, I'm not against it at all. I just don't think we need to be all shocked. It's also kinda laughable how the league tries to pretend like they care. I don't begrudge a 40 year-old professional athlete trying to get some help against guys way younger than him at all.


I think what annoys people is how the possibility/likelyhood of nba steroid use is only ever brought up for lebron, is not even subtle that it is one of the prefered angles to diminish him specifically despite being a) still speculation and b) likely done by everyone then and now

Like as far as i see it is just as likely embiid or jokic or shai or curry use anabolics to recover from their injuries
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Post#772 » by Peregrine01 » Tue Dec 24, 2024 4:04 pm

falcolombardi wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:
Mos_Heat wrote:Don't be shy buddy, you can say it out loud


Look, I'm not against it at all. I just don't think we need to be all shocked. It's also kinda laughable how the league tries to pretend like they care. I don't begrudge a 40 year-old professional athlete trying to get some help against guys way younger than him at all.


I think what annoys people is how the possibility/likelyhood of nba steroid use is only ever brought up for lebron, is not even subtle that it is one of the prefered angles to diminish him specifically despite being a) still speculation and b) likely done by everyone then and now

Like as far as i see it is just as likely embiid or jokic or shai or curry use anabolics to recover from their injuries


Because Bron is 40, has taken these “vacations” mid-season in the past, and has been linked to PED use before.

Again, who cares? a guy who’s 40 is just not gonna produce testosterone at the same level of guys in their 20s. If the complaint about PEDs is fairness…
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Post#773 » by falcolombardi » Tue Dec 24, 2024 4:19 pm

Peregrine01 wrote:
falcolombardi wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:
Look, I'm not against it at all. I just don't think we need to be all shocked. It's also kinda laughable how the league tries to pretend like they care. I don't begrudge a 40 year-old professional athlete trying to get some help against guys way younger than him at all.


I think what annoys people is how the possibility/likelyhood of nba steroid use is only ever brought up for lebron, is not even subtle that it is one of the prefered angles to diminish him specifically despite being a) still speculation and b) likely done by everyone then and now

Like as far as i see it is just as likely embiid or jokic or shai or curry use anabolics to recover from their injuries


Because Bron is 40, has taken these “vacations” mid-season in the past, and has been linked to PED use before.

Again, who cares? a guy who’s 40 is just not gonna produce testosterone at the same level of guys in their 20s. If the complaint about PEDs is fairness…


I dont care if lebron uses anabolycs but he is not the only player to ever take breaks in a season or go have unspecified treatment

Kobe trips to germany for medical treatment were a blip in the radar by comparision, because a lot of people have tried to push angles about lebron "only" being size and athletism as a way to dismiss him since forever

Stephen curry bulking up is not an opportunity to attack his game the way people do for lebron so you dont see accusations for him
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Post#774 » by capfan33 » Tue Dec 24, 2024 9:27 pm

90% of the nba/nfl is on gear, they’d be dumb not to be. Lebron doesn’t have access to anything that other players don’t, at least with steroids specifically.
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Post#775 » by MartinToVaught » Tue Dec 24, 2024 9:41 pm

falcolombardi wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:
Mos_Heat wrote:Don't be shy buddy, you can say it out loud


Look, I'm not against it at all. I just don't think we need to be all shocked. It's also kinda laughable how the league tries to pretend like they care. I don't begrudge a 40 year-old professional athlete trying to get some help against guys way younger than him at all.


I think what annoys people is how the possibility/likelyhood of nba steroid use is only ever brought up for lebron, is not even subtle that it is one of the prefered angles to diminish him specifically despite being a) still speculation and b) likely done by everyone then and now

Like as far as i see it is just as likely embiid or jokic or shai or curry use anabolics to recover from their injuries

To be fair, Wade used to get the same steroid accusations all the time too. But yes, people just use it to bash players they don't like. They don't actually care.

What I love is how the discussion begins and ends with these modern players who people don't like. You don't see this crowd looking back and questioning their beloved '80s and '90s eras. I guess steroids must have magically skipped the NBA back then even though they were already all over baseball and football at the time. :crazy:
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Post#776 » by Peregrine01 » Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:00 pm

capfan33 wrote:90% of the nba/nfl is on gear, they’d be dumb not to be. Lebron doesn’t have access to anything that other players don’t, at least with steroids specifically.


NBA players with multi-million dollar salaries aren’t using the stuff that your regular gym bro is. Guys like LeBron with hundred-million dollar incomes have yet another level of access.
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Post#777 » by AEnigma » Tue Dec 24, 2024 11:19 pm

So true, Lebron’s magic PEDs probably cost at least $50 million and are only accessible to the secret club comprised of all the $500-millionaires.
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Post#778 » by capfan33 » Tue Dec 24, 2024 11:53 pm

Peregrine01 wrote:
capfan33 wrote:90% of the nba/nfl is on gear, they’d be dumb not to be. Lebron doesn’t have access to anything that other players don’t, at least with steroids specifically.


NBA players with multi-million dollar salaries aren’t using the stuff that your regular gym bro is. Guys like LeBron with hundred-million dollar incomes have yet another level of access.


I’m by no means an expert but this is factually incorrect lol. Steroids are ubiquitous now (to the point where there’s an epidemic among younger people taking them) and a high quality cycle will only set you back maybe 3k a month tops, well within range for basically anyone in the NBA/NFL. Most bodybuilders are normal people and aren’t wealthy, and they can readily afford what’s necessary to compete with anyone else. Lebron does not have special access to some 100k wonder drug lol.

The bigger issue with steroids is how well someone responds to them genetically, as there can be quite a bit of variation in efficacy depending on your genes. And I would guess like most things athletically LeBron probably responds to them better than most, but that’s just another part of him being an athletic outlier.
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Post#779 » by lessthanjake » Wed Dec 25, 2024 12:26 am

capfan33 wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:
capfan33 wrote:90% of the nba/nfl is on gear, they’d be dumb not to be. Lebron doesn’t have access to anything that other players don’t, at least with steroids specifically.


NBA players with multi-million dollar salaries aren’t using the stuff that your regular gym bro is. Guys like LeBron with hundred-million dollar incomes have yet another level of access.


I’m by no means an expert but this is factually incorrect lol. Steroids are ubiquitous now (to the point where there’s an epidemic among younger people taking them) and a high quality cycle will only set you back maybe 3k a month tops, well within range for basically anyone in the NBA/NFL. Most bodybuilders are normal people and aren’t wealthy, and they can readily afford what’s necessary to compete with anyone else. Lebron does not have special access to some 100k wonder drug lol.

The bigger issue with steroids is how well someone responds to them genetically, as there can be quite a bit of variation in efficacy depending on your genes. And I would guess like most things athletically LeBron probably responds to them better than most, but that’s just another part of him being an athletic outlier.


I’m not an expert either but am not sure your first paragraph is really right. I recall reading a while back about Lance Armstrong and trying to figure out why we should care that he doped when we know that like every single cyclist in his era doped too. I figured it was basically all a level playing field if everyone was doping, and therefore we could still safely assume he was the best of his era. And the answer I saw about this when I went down that rabbit hole was basically that his team had more money and therefore was able to have a much more sophisticated (and therefore very likely more effective) doping operation. As I said, I’m no expert on this topic, but I imagine the same is probably true in other sports. That could manifest itself in (1) using more types of PEDs, (2) getting your hands on rare/cutting-edge drugs, (3) hiring people to optimize how they’re all used, including how the various PEDs are best used in concert with each other, how to optimize their use for the particular player’s body, and the exact timing of when they’re used for optimal effect, (4) hiring people to figure out how to ensure no positive tests while pushing the envelope as much as possible, etc. I imagine this sort of thing can cost a lot of money and would yield superior results to the type of 3k-a-month costs you’re referring to.
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Post#780 » by Peregrine01 » Wed Dec 25, 2024 12:54 am

capfan33 wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:
capfan33 wrote:90% of the nba/nfl is on gear, they’d be dumb not to be. Lebron doesn’t have access to anything that other players don’t, at least with steroids specifically.


NBA players with multi-million dollar salaries aren’t using the stuff that your regular gym bro is. Guys like LeBron with hundred-million dollar incomes have yet another level of access.


I’m by no means an expert but this is factually incorrect lol. Steroids are ubiquitous now (to the point where there’s an epidemic among younger people taking them) and a high quality cycle will only set you back maybe 3k a month tops, well within range for basically anyone in the NBA/NFL. Most bodybuilders are normal people and aren’t wealthy, and they can readily afford what’s necessary to compete with anyone else. Lebron does not have special access to some 100k wonder drug lol.

The bigger issue with steroids is how well someone responds to them genetically, as there can be quite a bit of variation in efficacy depending on your genes. And I would guess like most things athletically LeBron probably responds to them better than most, but that’s just another part of him being an athletic outlier.


Steroids are not a commodity. It’s also a bit of a misnomer…PEDs is the more appropriate umbrella term. If you don’t think a guy like Bron doesn’t have a different level of access to “help” than others then you’re gravely mistaken. Just look at Lance Armstrong.

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