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With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter!

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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

Post#1161 » by Thaddy » Tue Dec 24, 2024 8:20 am

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Reeko wrote:Projecting forward, I don't see why our solution wouldn't be to have both Gradey and Ja'Kobe starting. Does IQ do anything other than maybe passing at a higher level than those two are projected to? I think they both have a lot of potential in terms of passing as well tbh. We'll see, maybe Quickley really has taken that next step to where you can conclusively say that he's our PG of the future but as of right now I'm not fully bought in on that idea.

IQ scores the above the break 3 better than a lot of guys in the NBA, he has issues getting up volume though. Until Gradey and Walter can get their three point shots in line they aren't overtaking IQ.

If it's just a matter of 3 point shooting then it's just a matter of time before they overtake him. It's not like IQ is some 40% 3 point shooter at this stage, he's a career 37.5% shooter from 3. Gradey's shooting 35.4% on the season and I assume that both he and Walter will both get significantly better as time goes on.

IQ isn't great from the corners but his above the break three point percentage must be the highest on the team. Gradey, Walter, Agbaji, and several of our other players can't really space the floor because they are weak threats from extended 3pt range. We also saw this same issue with OG. When players can only hit 3s from the corner it gives a false presumption they are shooters, this is one of the reasons why a lot of posters on this site have been suggestion to get rid of corner threes.

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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

Post#1162 » by God Squad » Tue Dec 24, 2024 2:43 pm

AbC? wrote:BUST (didn't know he existed until we drafted him)

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Post#1163 » by Stromile12 » Tue Dec 24, 2024 3:15 pm

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Gradey is better. Especially in the long term. Much more upside.


Not more upside than Walter. Walter plays defense and has better ball handling skills


Walter might the best at getting to the line on the team.. as a rook. If not he will be soon.
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Post#1164 » by manjusaka » Tue Dec 24, 2024 3:54 pm

They are different type of player. Grady has a chance to be a lethal scorer. On the other hand, Ja’Kobe is more all-arounded. It’s difficult to say who has better ceiling until they really hit that ceiling.
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Post#1165 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Dec 24, 2024 4:05 pm

In his last 6 games, he's averaging 14ppg while shooting 48% from the field and 43% from deep.
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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

Post#1166 » by God Squad » Tue Dec 24, 2024 4:08 pm

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YogurtProducer wrote:Oh boy.. here we go..


His floor is an all-star and all-defensive player. :lol:

Have you seen Dejounte Murray this year mate?

His point is that we "always" compare rookies to all NBA players as a fanbase. Especially when you say it's their "floor" :lol:
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Post#1167 » by mtcan » Tue Dec 24, 2024 4:39 pm

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His floor is an all-star and all-defensive player. :lol:

Have you seen Dejounte Murray this year mate?

His point is that we "always" compare rookies to all NBA players as a fanbase. Especially when you say it's their "floor" :lol:

If Jakobe were white...the comparison would be Kyle Korver and Gordon Hayward.

That is how scientific these floor and ceiling comps are.
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Post#1168 » by raptorforlife88 » Tue Dec 24, 2024 5:11 pm

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Psubs wrote:Love how he gets hyped up on making great offensive and defensive plays. Seem like his floor is Dejounte Murray that can shoot better?

Oh boy.. here we go..


His floor is an all-star and all-defensive player. :lol:


I have seen this man place a Reggie Miller floor comp for Gradey and a Dejounte Murray floor comp for JaKobe. We should be set for the future now.
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Post#1169 » by DelAbbot » Tue Dec 24, 2024 5:17 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
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Psubs wrote:Love how he gets hyped up on making great offensive and defensive plays. Seem like his floor is Dejounte Murray that can shoot better?

Oh boy.. here we go..


His floor is an all-star and all-defensive player. :lol:


Remember when we had an undrafted guard prospect who looked even better? Terence Davis

So let's not go crazy projecting a rookie who has shown some flashes
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Post#1170 » by raptorforlife88 » Tue Dec 24, 2024 5:29 pm

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YogurtProducer wrote:Oh boy.. here we go..


His floor is an all-star and all-defensive player. :lol:


Remember when we had an undrafted guard prospect who looked even better? Terence Davis

So let's not go crazy projecting a rookie who has shown some flashes


Terence Davis was legitimately outstanding his rookie year. The rare completely positive value rookie.

What an absolute waste of talent he wound up being.
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Post#1171 » by Basketball_Jones » Tue Dec 24, 2024 6:16 pm

I think a bit of Coby White with defense is my comparison for now. My main concern is we have a lot of pure shooting guards and no small forwards really in a league where that’s becoming the most important position.
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Post#1172 » by Tripod » Tue Dec 24, 2024 6:26 pm

IQ is being underrated due to lack of seeing him on the court this year. Let's be happy that we are FINALLY getting some shooting depth from outside...when everyone gets healthy.
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Post#1173 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Dec 24, 2024 7:13 pm

raptorforlife88 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Oh boy.. here we go..


His floor is an all-star and all-defensive player. :lol:


I have seen this man place a Reggie Miller floor comp for Gradey and a Dejounte Murray floor comp for JaKobe. We should be set for the future now.

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Re: With the 19th Pick, the Raptors select Ja'Kobe Walter! 

Post#1174 » by Bruin » Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:20 pm

His patience and knowing how to avoid forcing things as a rookie has been very impressive. Really excited to see what he becomes over the next few years
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Post#1175 » by Tripod » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:12 pm

He has the ability to dribble inside and slow things down like RJ does.
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Post#1176 » by Psubs » Thu Dec 26, 2024 4:03 pm

Tripod wrote:He has the ability to dribble inside and slow things down like RJ does.


Most of his turnovers are from dribbling in traffic and giving up fastbreaks the other way. The better turnover are Scotties where he makes risky passes towards players cutting to the hoop that go out of bounds.
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Post#1177 » by agkagk » Thu Dec 26, 2024 4:57 pm

Ja’kobe is giving me poor man’s McGrady vibes.

I mean that in a good way!
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Post#1178 » by Psubs » Thu Dec 26, 2024 4:59 pm

agkagk wrote:Ja’kobe is giving me poor man’s McGrady vibes.

I mean that in a good way!


He's not that tall or athletic. Dybansta gives me TMac vibes. In this draft, Egor Demin might be more like TMac; though maybe more like Franz Wagner ultimately.

Jakobe is more like Dejounte Murray lanky and SGA smooth.
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Post#1179 » by mtcan » Thu Dec 26, 2024 5:12 pm

Psubs wrote:
agkagk wrote:Ja’kobe is giving me poor man’s McGrady vibes.

I mean that in a good way!


He's not that tall or athletic. Dybansta gives me TMac vibes. In this draft, Egor Demin might be more like TMac; though maybe more like Franz Wagner ultimately.

Jakobe is more like Dejounte Murray lanky and SGA smooth.

Demin doesn't defend like Franz.

He is a tall point guard. Maybe Josh Giddey with a 3
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Post#1180 » by djsunyc » Thu Dec 26, 2024 7:03 pm

raptorforlife88 wrote:
DelAbbot wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
His floor is an all-star and all-defensive player. :lol:


Remember when we had an undrafted guard prospect who looked even better? Terence Davis

So let's not go crazy projecting a rookie who has shown some flashes


Terence Davis was legitimately outstanding his rookie year. The rare completely positive value rookie.

What an absolute waste of talent he wound up being.


little did he know that when he poked a hole in his mask, it would suck out all his talent.

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