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Re: Dyson Daniels - Defensive Player of the Month!!! 

Post#81 » by jayu70 » Thu Dec 5, 2024 7:29 pm

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tbhawksfan1 wrote:I'm 100% a team guy. Sometimes I like the players on the team a lot; sometimes a bit less.

If they move to another team, they are no longer a Hawk. Nothing personal. Just not a Hawk.

When it comes time to negociate, I want compromise. I want a player that wants to play for the Hawks

Players that want to be Hawks find a common middle ground and stay and those that don't move on

I have not followed the Hawks since about 1970 for any player. So many have come and gone and I appreciate their efforts and contributions. I don't want them to get "over-paid".

That said I'm not pro owner or management either. They too come and go

I try to view it in the vein of what I would want as compensation in my regular job (yes I know it's not because of the high dollar figure)...but the principals are the same for me. Pay me market conditions and what I think I'm worth.
If I'm ok taking less to stay because I like the company so be it, but on the flip side I'm not taking less just because either.

It's not my money and the owners have a whole lot more that they a shelling out.
The cost of doing business.


The NBA cap is part of the competitive system. You have limited funds to pay talent. I'm not trying to screw players. I'm not a fan of the money NBA makes. But as I say contracts are an important factor in building a team

I get that, but I will just not decry players for wanting their maximum payday. Wether a team pays or not is a different matter.
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Re: Dyson Daniels - Defensive Player of the Month!!! 

Post#82 » by tbhawksfan1 » Thu Dec 5, 2024 7:32 pm

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jayu70 wrote:I try to view it in the vein of what I would want as compensation in my regular job (yes I know it's not because of the high dollar figure)...but the principals are the same for me. Pay me market conditions and what I think I'm worth.
If I'm ok taking less to stay because I like the company so be it, but on the flip side I'm not taking less just because either.

It's not my money and the owners have a whole lot more that they a shelling out.
The cost of doing business.


The NBA cap is part of the competitive system. You have limited funds to pay talent. I'm not trying to screw players. I'm not a fan of the money NBA makes. But as I say contracts are an important factor in building a team

I get that, but I will just not decry players for wanting their maximum payday. Wether a team pays or not is a different matter.


The team isn't negociating to keep the money in their pocket. That is money that can be spread to other players
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Re: Dyson Daniels - Defensive Player of the Month!!! 

Post#83 » by jayu70 » Thu Dec 5, 2024 7:40 pm

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The NBA cap is part of the competitive system. You have limited funds to pay talent. I'm not trying to screw players. I'm not a fan of the money NBA makes. But as I say contracts are an important factor in building a team

I get that, but I will just not decry players for wanting their maximum payday. Wether a team pays or not is a different matter.


The team isn't negociating to keep the money in their pocket. That is money that can be spread to other players

Uuuummm.
I've seen THIS ownership make enough trades to avoid the tax so they can pocket the payout (~$15 million last year) from tax paying teams. :nod: Who gets that money, not the players.
They've traded for Cash Considerations time and again.
So no, not necessarily spreading to other players.
And I do understand, I want the team to make good sound financial transactions - they've just not been savvy about it. So it's more on them than the players ask.
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Re: Dyson Daniels - Defensive Player of the Month!!! 

Post#84 » by tbhawksfan1 » Thu Dec 5, 2024 7:44 pm

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jayu70 wrote:I get that, but I will just not decry players for wanting their maximum payday. Wether a team pays or not is a different matter.


The team isn't negociating to keep the money in their pocket. That is money that can be spread to other players

Uuuummm.
I've seen THIS ownership make enough trades to avoid the tax so they can pocket the payout (~$15 million last year) from tax paying teams. :nod: Who gets that money, not the players.
They've traded for Cash Considerations time and again.
So no, not necessarily spreading to other players.
And I do understand, I want the team to make good sound financial transactions - they've just not been savvy about it. So it's more on them than the players ask.


I hear you Jayu. As I said, I am 100% not pro owner. I am just talking contract vs production and chemistry

Owner is a different problem
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Re: Dyson Daniels - Defensive Player of the Month!!! 

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“The way he does it is just something that I’ve never seen my whole career,” teammate and veteran Clint Capela said of Daniels’ defensive exploits.Daniels’ numbers have impressed this season, but how he has achieved them shows what an elite defender he is.

“He’s a unique player on the defensive end,” Hawks coach Quin Snyder said. “A combination of his size, his length, but as much as anything, his feel, his ability to anticipate.”

His strong read of the game has allowed him to get into passing lanes in a way that doesn’t take him out of a play. When he picks off passes, his hands usually already are in the air in attempt to cut off the vision of the opposing player. He’s able to time the wave of his hands to poke the ball away and get out in transition.

But Daniels always has his eyes on the ball, ready to pick the pocket of an opponent when their back is turned.

“Yeah, I mean, I say this all time, but everyone is different in how you do it,” Daniels told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “But one thing for me is I know where people have to bring the ball to get power to go up. So, a guy like Giannis (Antetokounmpo), for example, he got me a couple times (and) I missed it. But you have to bring the ball across your body to get your power. So usually, if someone gets past me, and there’s a big at the rim, and they try Euro step, they’re always going to bring the ball across their body to the left side. So, that’s when I can swipe it.

“Whereas coming down the lane, if I can absorb the first bump, that’s what I try to do a lot of the time, absorb the first bump, and then I can get my hand in there and dig it out because that’s when the ball is vulnerable on a bump as well.

“So it’s a little harder when people have you on their back and dribbling down, sometimes I can reach around and poke it out, but if they’re coming straight downhill and hit me in the chest, I’m able to absorb it and get a hand in there because I know the ball is going to be vulnerable. It’s not in a spot where they can keep it away from me. So there’s little things that I know an offensive player does where I can get the ball, and then there’s a lot of times like I’m just coming from behind people and just trying to make plays, as well.”


“I think, offense and defense are so manipulated to do the same thing every time,” Daniels said. “Offensive players know that a defensive player is going to try get in the hip and fight over a screen. I think just knowing little things, like sometimes I’m gonna play, on the outside hip and rather than try get through the screen, I’m going over the screen, behind him, kind of.

“And, if they make a really good pass, a bounce pass, where they can turn the corner, then sometimes I get in trouble. But that’s a hard pass to make. And if I’m able to stay close enough, I’m able to get a hand in there, and they just don’t expect you to be there as well. So that’s when I can come in and get those little tip balls and stuff like that. So I think it’s just about reading the game, trying to do different stuff that they’re not used to seeing, and confuse them a little bit.”


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Post#92 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Dec 17, 2024 5:45 pm

Dyson isn't much good shooting off the dribble, but his ability to attack and finish around the rim is pretty impressive.

Offensively, he reminds me of a guard version of Giannis.
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Hawks guard Dyson Daniels has worked himself into becoming one of the NBA’s elite defenders this season. But for Daniels, who has played offense aggressively and is emboldened by the Hawks, making shots remains one of his areas for improvement.

This season, the Hawks have pushed their team along with the acronym L.T.F.F., which means “let that (expletive) fly,” which has instilled confidence in the players up and down the lineup. In fact, the Hawks want to take even more 3-point shots this season, as scoring across the league trends further from the basket.

Daniels has made 30.8% this season on a higher volume of 3.4 3-point attempts per game. He had a solid six-game stretch between Nov. 18 and Nov. 29 where he sank 42.9% of his 3.5 3-point attempts average. But as the season has progressed, he acknowledges that he sometimes slips into some of the old habits that lead to inaccurate shooting.

So, he got back to a little bit of the basics at practice this week. Following the team’s practice Tuesday, Daniels worked with Hawks assistant general manager Kyle Korver, who finished his 17-year career in the league shooting 42.9% from 3.

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“There’s more working with Kyle,” Daniels said. “He’s teaching me about keeping my hips back rather than my knees folding in and then getting the ball to my right side and keeping it high. So just a few things that we’ve been repping out. And obviously, Kyle is one of the greatest shooters that ever played games. So it’s not many people you can work there with that are better than Kyle. So the more hours I can get in with Kyle ... the better I’ll be shooting the ball.”

As Daniels was coming into the league, scouts noted that he showed some hesitation when it came to his jumper and that his shot form could be robotic. That’s why Daniels has committed himself to getting in the gym to work on it every chance he gets.

Daniels gets into the gym every day because taking off a day or two puts him at risk for the old habits to slip back in. To make sure he carves that time out, he goes into a gym at night or gets to practice early. If he misses that window, he makes sure to stay a little later after practice to get those shots up.

“Whether it’s a off-day or something, just coming in, just shooting some free throws, just keeping the ball tipping over, keeping the body, adjusting to the new technique,” Daniels said.

But Daniels feels confident that he’ll get the right shot mechanics down.

“I think once I correct my left and right misses and keep them more short and long,” Daniels said. “You don’t want to miss short. But if I get more of my misses long, rather than left and right, I know that I’ve got the form technique down pat. It’s just about repping that out.

“And, Kyle, whenever I shoot with him, I feel good, like I get back to normal. It’s just about, you know, muscle memory, making sure I do that over and over. Keep doing that every day and not revert back to old habits.

“For me, it’s just a mental game. It’s a mindset, and making sure that in the game, shooting when I’m open, and teams are going to give me that shot. So, being able to knock that down is going to be a big benefit to my game.”
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Post#100 » by jayu70 » Fri Dec 27, 2024 4:06 pm

Dyson Daniels’ grand heist: Inside how he became the NBA’s deflections king

Giddey has played against Daniels far more than anyone else in the NBA and understands that Daniels is too conniving for even his closest friends. The problem that he has, as does everyone across the league, is he doesn’t see it coming.

As Giddey waltzed forward to set up the play, Daniels quickly peeked over his left shoulder, looking for a screen from one of Giddey’s teammates. There was nobody there. A less studious defender might wonder what that means and search for the answer behind his back.

But Daniels had done his homework. That absence of a screener on this particular Bulls action meant the cutter was going the opposite direction. So he was looking for a subtle clue to explain what was happening behind him.

When Giddey went from looking forward to down at the ball, there it was. A spin move was coming. Daniels could see it in his eyes.

“Eyes is the biggest seller,” Daniels told The Athletic. “Some people are good at selling the eyes, but most people look where they’re passing the ball. If you can read the eyes, you can read where the ball is going. Then it’s just about being close enough to get deflections.”

Daniels has seen Giddey make this spin move thousands of times. He remembered how Giddey retracts that left hand he uses to shield defenders away, cupping the ball down by his hip pocket while pirouetting the other way.

That’s when it was time for Daniels to pull down the ski mask and snatch his prize. Three seconds later, Daniels was laying the ball in as Giddey helplessly chased from behind. The Great Barrier Thief had struck again.

He is beyond an outlier. He is the evolution of a lineage of robber barons that dates to a young Chris Paul and, before him, players such as Gary Payton and Alvin Robertson. While Daniels has a way to go before he reaches their level, he is precocious in the dark arts of defensive manipulation that made them so special.

So how does he do it?

“Being able to time my jump and get my hands out, I bait them into those passes where I know where they’re going,” he said. “It’s just reading the game, reading the pass, reading the eyes.”




We meticulously dissect an offensive player’s handles and footwork to diagnose how they broke someone’s ankles. But generational defenders play games, too, manipulating ballhandlers as much as they try to stay in front of them.

Daniels’ weapons of choice are his hands, which he wields to cut through the blur of basketball to be in the right place at the right time. He spends his down time DJing, studying the likes of Tiesto and Fisher to create a rhythmic tempo, then disrupt it for dramatic effect. His hands work the same way on the basketball court.

But Daniels doesn’t rack up deflections just because of his quick paws. It’s how he hides them in plain sight. Young players are traditionally taught to defend with their arms out to their sides, forming a wall to intimidate a passer. You don’t see that much in the NBA (unless teams are playing zone), but most defenders will still put one hand low in the passing pocket and another high.

Even that creates a map for the passer to chart, though. That’s why Daniels keeps his hands as neutral and unassuming as possible for most of the possession, making it harder for the offensive player to recognize the danger of a certain pass or dribble.

“If they don’t see your hands, that’s where they’re gonna pass it,” he said.

If Daniels knows a passer likes to throw skip passes over the top, he keeps his hands down low to make them think the window is open before he quickly pounces. His shining example came when he helped spark a near-comeback in Detroit.


He’s got those things you can’t teach and defense is a very hard thing to learn,” Giddey said. “You either got it or you don’t. He’s one of those guys that has it.


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