Warriors have a Steve Kerr problem

[DB23]

We're officially 1/3 of the way through the season, the Warriors are on pace to win 44 games, they're the 8 seed, in the play-in again. They're probably not quite this bad if they make some adjustments and acquire another decent player, but they're digging themselves a hole.

If exclude the hot start they are on track to be the worst team in the entire nba with the highest paid coach.

Why would it make sense to exclude the start?

Kerr might be past it but no coach is doing wildly better with this team.

We have a front office and roster construction problem. Too many one dimensional players with redundant skills and not enough talent.

[WarriorGM]

The talent on this team is fine. The team started the year on a winning run beating most of the top teams. They even won without Steph. But a bad patch has caused everyone to forget.

I've never been a big fan of Kerr, I'm doubtful if he'd have ever found coaching success without Steph to save him: see international record coaching loaded US teams.

If it's a choice between the problem being the talent or the coaching, I'm going to question the coaching first.

[floppymoose]

The talent on this team is fine. The team started the year on a winning run beating most of the top teams. They even won without Steph. But a bad patch has caused everyone to forget.

I don't think it's a bad patch. It's like last season. They are their record. They had an unbelievable hot streak.... and are 15-13, 8th in the West. It's time to acknowledge that the days of Steph being the best player on a championship team are likely over. He doesn't have 100 game seasons left in those legs anymore.

Kerr is not the issue.

[Sandy333]

We're officially 1/3 of the way through the season, the Warriors are on pace to win 44 games, they're the 8 seed, in the play-in again. They're probably not quite this bad if they make some adjustments and acquire another decent player, but they're digging themselves a hole.

If exclude the hot start they are on track to be the worst team in the entire nba with the highest paid coach.

Why would it make sense to exclude the start?

Kerr might be past it but no coach is doing wildly better with this team.

We have a front office and roster construction problem. Too many one dimensional players with redundant skills and not enough talent.

Exclude the start because it is not a true indication of strength, as most teams start the season slowly , but warriors had a great pre season and were ready from word go and caught mist teams by surprise with thier work rate by all players.

[Jester_]

he's a trash coach finally being exposed since he doesn't have 4 hall of famers in their prime anymore

[Onus]

I’ve come up with 2 reasons why Kerr doesn’t want to rely on buddy.

1. Ime udoka said it’s like Klay Thompson all over again. So Kerr wants to protect Klay so buddy doesn’t thrive proving Klay was replaceable this whole time. I don’t buy it but eh.

2. He’s so jaded from last year where we solely relied on the 3 from curry and Klay that he wants to develop a counter from relying solely on the 3 between curry and hield. But it doesn’t really make sense though because everyone else is relying on the 3. Making 3s is what wins games. We’re so much better when buddy is on and it gives us our highest ceiling.

[East Bay Sports]

Kerr was thrown into the deep end with a weighted vest on and yall are mad he can't swim. I'm sick. Disgusting behavior. Kerr is the man and if you **** on him I probably will disregard your opinion on most things.

[Jester_]

Kerr was thrown into the deep end with a weighted vest on and yall are mad he can't swim. I'm sick. Disgusting behavior. Kerr is the man and if you **** on him I probably will disregard your opinion on most things.

oh no

[East Bay Sports]

Curry/Buddy/Wiggins/Dray are the core 4. Until Kerr plays them extended minutes I’m not losing hope on this team. My faith in Kerr finding this core though is waning.

Have you seen Steph this year?

[Onus]

Curry/Buddy/Wiggins/Dray are the core 4. Until Kerr plays them extended minutes I’m not losing hope on this team. My faith in Kerr finding this core though is waning.

Have you seen Steph this year?

Yes. Have you seen the spacing he's playing with this year? No contender plays with worse spacing than Steph. Spacing makes everyone's scoring easier. It's why Shroeder was having a career year in BKN and playing like trash here. Steph is literally playing on hall of fame mode where there are essentially no threats on the perimeter while jason tatum is playing on easy mode playing 5 out offense as an example.

[DB23]

he's a trash coach finally being exposed since he doesn't have 4 hall of famers in their prime anymore

Besides the obvious 2022 result, can you name 5 coaches you consider better in the current nba?

[WarriorGM]

The talent on this team is fine. The team started the year on a winning run beating most of the top teams. They even won without Steph. But a bad patch has caused everyone to forget.

I don't think it's a bad patch. It's like last season. They are their record. They had an unbelievable hot streak.... and are 15-13, 8th in the West. It's time to acknowledge that the days of Steph being the best player on a championship team are likely over. He doesn't have 100 game seasons left in those legs anymore.

Kerr is not the issue.

So you are saying Steph is the issue? Curry was still +4 in this game and crushing it with Podz and Moody. The best pairing is Steph and Buddy yet Kerr is tepid in playing them together. This is in contrast to what he was doing in previous years where he forcing three guard lineups that didn't work. This time his personnel allow for promising three guard lineups. Kerr zigs when the data says he should zag and vice versa.

[floppymoose]

The talent on this team is fine. The team started the year on a winning run beating most of the top teams. They even won without Steph. But a bad patch has caused everyone to forget.

I don't think it's a bad patch. It's like last season. They are their record. They had an unbelievable hot streak.... and are 15-13, 8th in the West. It's time to acknowledge that the days of Steph being the best player on a championship team are likely over. He doesn't have 100 game seasons left in those legs anymore.

Kerr is not the issue.

So you are saying Steph is the issue?

I'm saying Steph can no longer single-handedly make this team a contender. That's not the same as saying he is a problem. But I don't think they are one Lauri or Butler or George away. I don't even think that if they got one of those players for free and got to keep everyone.

So I think the smart move for a GM is to start the rebuild.

[Jester_]

he's a trash coach finally being exposed since he doesn't have 4 hall of famers in their prime anymore

Besides the obvious 2022 result, can you name 5 coaches you consider better in the current nba?

There's at least 10, probably closer to 15

[CDM_Stats]

he's a trash coach finally being exposed since he doesn't have 4 hall of famers in their prime anymore

Besides the obvious 2022 result, can you name 5 coaches you consider better in the current nba?

Any answer here would be 100% speculation. Would another coach use better lineups? Who knows..

Coaches shouldn’t be evaluated like that, they should be evaluated against their own teams potential, and how close they get to it. I asked a question earlier about how much better the team would be if they just played their likely best starting lineup. Now it’s not exact because Schroeder’s numbers are Nets-weighted.. but current team is +1.5/100. The lineup a lot of us suggesting turns it into +7.3 and 19-8 record. If I take Schroeder out and run a backup unit with Podz/JK and the scrubs as bench? +5.5

For reference: if I took all of Kelly Oubre’s 20-21 minutes and gave them to 21-22 Wiggins, the difference is +4.8

Now these are all MLM generated numbers, simulated based on about 50 different metrics and peripheral stats. So of course it’s not exact.. but these things have been historically accurate, ballpark, and there’s no reason for me to stop believing them now. Kerr is leaving a ton of value on the table for reasons that don’t make sense. It doesn’t matter who would do better, bc he’s not getting fired/replaced. But we can expect more from him.. if nothing else, Steph deserves that

[DB23]

he's a trash coach finally being exposed since he doesn't have 4 hall of famers in their prime anymore

Besides the obvious 2022 result, can you name 5 coaches you consider better in the current nba?

There's at least 10, probably closer to 15

So name them?

Reality is that even the much vaunted ones have significant and similar issues with their own fan base. Everyone lauds spo but he’s had regular season issues for multiple years and hasn’t won anything without bron.

[jaymo123]

Since the Finals, Kerr has not been a good coach in my eyes. He wants everyone to play his system yet has not shown the ability to adjust his coaching style to the players he has. You have one shooter on the team, but Kerr coaches like he has 5. The best offense for this team is the pick and roll with Steph on-ball or being the screener because the defense will overreact to wherever Steph does.

[CDM_Stats]

Since the Finals, Kerr has not been a good coach in my eyes. He wants everyone to play his system yet has not shown the ability to adjust his coaching style to the players he has. You have one shooter on the team, but Kerr coaches like he has 5. The best offense for this team is the pick and roll with Steph on-ball or being the screener because the defense will overreact to wherever Steph does.

Agree - but Kerr's motion offense basically puts most sets in the hands of the players on court

Thats why getting Hield into the Klay role is so key.. the team is playing like it always has, but they arent being given the best personnel to do it. Kerr must firmly believe that Klay is irreplaceable, which is weird because Poole did exactly that when Klay was hurt. All the role needs is a microwave shooter, and we have one (who defends way better than Klay or Poole did since Klay's injury). But instead we force looks for Wiggins/JK to start to try and open up shooting instead of manufacturing looks from shooters to open up lanes for the slashers

Again, this doesnt mean they would be contenders, but does anyone think that that scenario *wouldnt* make the team better?

[East Bay Sports]

Curry/Buddy/Wiggins/Dray are the core 4. Until Kerr plays them extended minutes I’m not losing hope on this team. My faith in Kerr finding this core though is waning.

Have you seen Steph this year?

Yes. Have you seen the spacing he's playing with this year? No contender plays with worse spacing than Steph. Spacing makes everyone's scoring easier. It's why Shroeder was having a career year in BKN and playing like trash here. Steph is literally playing on hall of fame mode where there are essentially no threats on the perimeter while jason tatum is playing on easy mode playing 5 out offense as an example.

Yea all of that is true and Steph is also playing on bum knees looking old and tired after carrying team USA this summer.

[DB23]

The talent on this team is fine. The team started the year on a winning run beating most of the top teams. They even won without Steph. But a bad patch has caused everyone to forget.

I've never been a big fan of Kerr, I'm doubtful if he'd have ever found coaching success without Steph to save him: see international record coaching loaded US teams.

If it's a choice between the problem being the talent or the coaching, I'm going to question the coaching first.

How many players on our team start for okc?

We have a talent problem.