PG: Knicks vs. Raptors: Dinosaurs are Extinct!

[TheGreenArrow]

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[R-DAWG]

Minutes per game rankings
Mikal Bridges - 38.6 mpg (1st)
Josh Hart - 36.8 mpg (5th)
OG Anunoby - 36.5 mpg (9th)
Jalen Brunson - 34.4 mpg (33rd)
Karl-Anthony Towns - 34.1 mpg (36th)

Contract rankings this season
Karl-Anthony Towns - $49.2 million (8th)
OG Anunoby - $36.6 million (31st)
Jalen Brunson - $25.0 million (66th)
Mikal Bridges - $23.3 million (71st)
Josh Hart - $18.1 million (95th)

- It seems we are closely monitoring Brunson and Towns minutes. They're both below 35 mpg.

- Brunson is averaging less mpg than the previous two seasons.

- Towns is averaging the most mpg he has in 7 years, and 3rd most of his career. He may be in the best shape of his career though.

- I know the game is played at a much different pace now, but Shaq averaged 37.4 mpg his first 12 seasons in the league and never averaged below 34.1 mpg until his 14th season.

- The following centers all average more mpg than Towns:

1. Nikola Jokic (37.1)
2. Domantas Sabonis (36.0)
3. Anthony Davis (35.5)
4. Bam Adebayo (34.8)
5. Rudy Gobert (34.0)

- OG is getting paid like the 2nd best player on a top team, so I think his minutes reflect that.

- If Mikal doesn't get a Max extension offered to him after leading the league in minutes, I think he's gonna be pretty pissed off about it!

- With Josh, we don't have to worry about an extension until about 3 years from now, but I think he'll expect a raise on his deal too.

This would be all well and good if we we didn’t have the long term investment in these guys with OG’s contracts and the picks invested in Mikal.

I’m fine with this approach with Hart, but need to think longer term with Mikal/OG.

[Clyde_Style]

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This is meaningless gossip if he doesn't say whom they were upset about. Themselves? Us? The coach?

because the only person Randle should be upset with is himself

[Capn'O]

This is the Ewing play btw

Does look a lot like him doesn’t it

I'd say so. Couldn't find one with the rip through though.



He's done a couple where he spins away from the hoop that look like Ewing patents too. I'd love to see more of it because... they go in.

[KnixinSix]

I think it’s a brilliant perspective and makes sense

Appreciate it BFK...They're being programed- in a good way...I'm sure you've heard some of our guys say "good habits" etc...
This is no different than shooting the same shot 500 hundred times until its second nature to you

How you feeling about Kat vs Wemby? would love to hear your thoughts on that matchup...

KAT knows Christmas game against the presumed DPOY would be huge for MVP, question is can he avoid stupid fouls …KAT either goes beserk or early foul trouble…I think either way wemby will be super fatigued come second half , KAT is the significantly heavier boxer who is almost as quick …KAT ate Gobert alive but Wemby is an EXCELLENT flopper

A bit of a complimentary point...

The thing about this team is that they're not one dimensional offensively.

When one guy has an off night, usually someone else picks him up.If KAT is off brunny usually picks him up and vice versa. Then excellent secondary options in Bridges and OG with either able to pop off any given night when need be.

[Jeff Van Gully]

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This is meaningless gossip if he doesn't say whom they were upset about. Themselves? Us? The coach?

because the only person Randle should be upset with is himself

we in the wrong thread?

[whocares1]

Today's thoughts

1. I'm disappointed that very vocal minutes police ignore my question about Orlando and New Orleans. I'll ask again, why are those team suffering injuries if their players aren't playing big minutes?

Because restricting minutes doesn’t prevent injuries it ‘helps’ prevent injuries. Should be common sense .

[thebuzzardman]

People waiting until 3 pm to day drink on Christmas eve?

I started at 11:30

[KnicksGadfly]

Today's thoughts

1. I'm disappointed that very vocal minutes police ignore my question about Orlando and New Orleans. I'll ask again, why are those team suffering injuries if their players aren't playing big minutes?

I'm not sure I follow your logic too much. Injuries can be caused by a variety of factors (bad shoes, genetic predisposition, the way someone moves, a wet floor, Joel Embiid, tiredness, minutes load, medical staff, etc). Just cause Lonzo Ball gets hurt because he wore his dad's bad shoes or Amare Stoudemire got hurt because he punched a fire extinguisher does not mean that it's a smart idea to play guys heavy minutes when unnecessary. It also does not mean that you don't be smart and cut down on risks.

The whole reason the league started moving away from back-to-back games is because they knew there was data about back-to-backs and they knew that players needed rest. We also have teams doing load management. So obviously, there is some science and data backing up the fact that rest is good. So yea...just because people can get hurt in a variety of ways, does not really affect the issue with minutes.

Moreover, playing people heavy minutes can also play intersect with other issues. When you have dudes who have heavy injury history, that can get exacerbated by heavy minutes. You also don't want to expose them more than necessary. For example, I once knew this coach for the Chicago Bulls who got his MVP point guard hurt in garbage time and ended the Bulls' chances of contention.

Not saying we can't play these heavy minutes but the Knicks need to be judicious. When it's playoff time, it's all hands on deck. But there's a difference.

[Iron Mantis]

As a minutes police officer, I can honestly say I have never seen a player get injured while sitting on the bench.

[Clyde_Style]

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This is meaningless gossip if he doesn't say whom they were upset about. Themselves? Us? The coach?

because the only person Randle should be upset with is himself

we in the wrong thread?

Not intended to be out of alignment with the new mission.

If that is the case, then Green Arrow's post should be in the chitpost thread too, because all I was doing was making a logical comment based on what they posted. It certainly was not intended as a bait post.

I'm sure a former Knick will come up in GT and PG threads whenever we played them recently.

Feel free to clarify

[gavran]

People waiting until 3 pm to day drink on Christmas eve?

I started at 11:30

I never finished the pre-Christmas drinking.

[Clyde_Style]

Today's thoughts

1. I'm disappointed that very vocal minutes police ignore my question about Orlando and New Orleans. I'll ask again, why are those team suffering injuries if their players aren't playing big minutes?

I'm not sure I follow your logic too much. Injuries can be caused by a variety of factors (bad shoes, genetic predisposition, the way someone moves, a wet floor, Joel Embiid, tiredness, minutes load, medical staff, etc). Just cause Lonzo Ball gets hurt because he wore his dad's bad shoes or Amare Stoudemire got hurt because he punched a fire extinguisher does not mean that it's a smart idea to play guys heavy minutes when unnecessary. It also does not mean that you don't be smart and cut down on risks.

The whole reason the league started moving away from back-to-back games is because they knew there was data about back-to-backs and they knew that players needed rest. We also have teams doing load management. So obviously, there is some science and data backing up the fact that rest is good. So yea...just because people can get hurt in a variety of ways, does not really affect the issue with minutes.

Moreover, playing people heavy minutes can also play intersect with other issues. When you have dudes who have heavy injury history, that can get exacerbated by heavy minutes. You also don't want to expose them more than necessary. For example, I once knew this coach for the Chicago Bulls who got his MVP point guard hurt in garbage time and ended the Bulls' chances of contention.

Not saying we can't play these heavy minutes but the Knicks need to be judicious. When it's playoff time, it's all hands on deck. But there's a difference.

A simple way to look at it is people tend to get injured when exhausted.

I'm in the middle of a big move this month and the other day I was so tired that when I was carrying a large box I planted my foot wrong and my legs were so tired I couldn't compensate for the bad angle and I collapsed. I was lucky and fell in a safe place and there was no harm, but that would never happen when I'm fresh or focused.

Thibs ignores those signs of exhaustion routinely. That's when guys are more likely to get hurt.

You can't prevent all injuries, but you definitely can avoid the ones that occur when a player is that exhausted.

Thibs has a strange concept that there is no such thing as physical limits you can't power through.

Exhaustion is not the exact same thing as over-use. Over-use would be when a player has a defined physical issue that can handle a certain amount of exercise after which they develop chronic debilitating conditions.

You can play many guys heavy minutes which usually results in a high level of fitness and stamina, but you should still simultaneously monitor their individual energy level each game.

Sometimes you've got to pull a guy when his battery runs too low or he will endanger themselves when their coordination falters due to extreme fatigue.

[thebuzzardman]

The Knicks are working their way towards a variation of the Bird era Celtics.

Bird/McHale/Parrish/DJ/Ainge or Cedric Maxwell or Gerald Henderson

While Ainge/Maxwell or Henderson mattered, basically you always knew that Bird, McHale and Parrish would produce. As great as DJ was, he was kind of the wild card, as his jumper was on and off at times.
If he jumper was on, it was over. There was NO way to beat them. And they beat teams even when he was a little off.

Knicks are trending that way. Someone will be the hot hand and beat the other team.
Still probably about 20 games away.

[Riot Randolph]

The Knicks are working their way towards a variation of the Bird era Celtics.

Bird/McHale/Parrish/DJ/Ainge or Cedric Maxwell or Gerald Henderson

While Ainge/Maxwell or Henderson mattered, basically you always knew that Bird, McHale and Parrish would produce. As great as DJ was, he was kind of the wild card, as his jumper was on and off at times.
If he jumper was on, it was over. There was NO way to beat them. And they beat teams even when he was a little off.

Knicks are trending that way. Someone will be the hot hand and beat the other team.
Still probably about 20 games away.

stop!!!! I can only get so hard…

[Clyde_Style]

The Knicks are working their way towards a variation of the Bird era Celtics.

Bird/McHale/Parrish/DJ/Ainge or Cedric Maxwell or Gerald Henderson

While Ainge/Maxwell or Henderson mattered, basically you always knew that Bird, McHale and Parrish would produce. As great as DJ was, he was kind of the wild card, as his jumper was on and off at times.
If he jumper was on, it was over. There was NO way to beat them. And they beat teams even when he was a little off.

Knicks are trending that way. Someone will be the hot hand and beat the other team.
Still probably about 20 games away.

Bird was a one-off kind of player like Kareem, MJ or Magic. There is no comp for him on our team, but the way we are sharing the ball our collective hoops IQ is growing by leaps and bounds. If we continue the current trend of constant off-ball movement we have the potential to be unstoppable. We're not there yet, but trending in that direction.

I'd say the recent growth in our offense has fed off our steady improvement on defense. That's both in the sense that defense does produce offensive opportunities, but also in the sense that a championship mentality is built by playing unselfish team defense. The results create buy-in on the other end (if you have the right players, because we've seen defensive teams that are not great offensive teams).

But we do have that 3-headed scoring punch with JB, KAT & Bridges. And it is after that 3 that your analogy connects, because unselfish teams will allow other players on the roster to shine when they are hot. Guys will find the hot hand on an elite team and because our top 3 scorers are not driven by ego alone.

That's what allows players like Cam to set the team on fire like last night. It can be OG or Deuce another night. When more than one is going off we will not be defensible.

The key player is KAT. He raised our IQ on offense immeasurably and everyone is feeding off him. He provides some of what each of Bird and McHale gave the Celtics. We need KAT to win the chip.

Also, the only player I can think of to comp with Brunson from the Bird era Celtics is maybe Tiny Archibald early in Bird's career. Brunson is a fairly unique player himself.

Lastly, to your point:

BREEN: "The Knicks are up by 20 points and Jalen Brunson has not scored a point yet."

That's amazing actually

[Clyde_Style]

Serious question: How does Josh Hart chew gum and play basketball at the same time?

[KnixinSix]

The Knicks are working their way towards a variation of the Bird era Celtics.

Bird/McHale/Parrish/DJ/Ainge or Cedric Maxwell or Gerald Henderson

While Ainge/Maxwell or Henderson mattered, basically you always knew that Bird, McHale and Parrish would produce. As great as DJ was, he was kind of the wild card, as his jumper was on and off at times.
If he jumper was on, it was over. There was NO way to beat them. And they beat teams even when he was a little off.

Knicks are trending that way. Someone will be the hot hand and beat the other team.
Still probably about 20 games away.

stop!!!! I can only get so hard…

Like the optimism it is very unbecoming of you lol