FUTURE DRAFT GAMES - NEW THREAD 2/21/22

[Fadeaway_J]

Am I being that guy by pointing out that the millenium actually began in 2001?

I don't think the numbers are sufficient either way, and that list of best players has very few individual seasons worth building around at this stage.

Listen, I was born in 96, what do I know lol

Yes I know it would be tight, but I’m a bit tired of lineups of allstars/superstars. And we never use guys like Paolo/Franz/Sengun/etc. because they’re not nearly as valuable/practical as other available options. Even if not this, I’d love to do a draft without 4+ all-nba guys on each team. It’d be a significant downgrade from teams we build in all other drafts, but in theory all the teams within this game could be even. Limit to 8 participants (what most games have had recently) and we should have enough eligible players to draft.

I mean, I'm always on board for shaking up the pool but I just don't think the numbers are feasible here.

I'd be shocked if we have enough eligible players that are seriously worth drafting. You're basically talking about 5 drafts (2019-23), with typically less than half of the players in each year being usable. For reference, less than 30 players from the 2019 draft are even playing in the league this season. Not to mention most rookies aren't helpful players, and quality role players tend to be more experienced guys who have figured out their niche in the league.

[Snakebites]

Am I being that guy by pointing out that the millenium actually began in 2001?

I don't think the numbers are sufficient either way, and that list of best players has very few individual seasons worth building around at this stage.

Listen, I was born in 96, what do I know lol

Yes I know it would be tight, but I’m a bit tired of lineups of allstars/superstars. And we never use guys like Paolo/Franz/Sengun/etc. because they’re not nearly as valuable/practical as other available options. Even if not this, I’d love to do a draft without 4+ all-nba guys on each team. It’d be a significant downgrade from teams we build in all other drafts, but in theory all the teams within this game could be even. Limit to 8 participants (what most games have had recently) and we should have enough eligible players to draft.

I mean, I'm always on board for shaking up the pool but I just don't think the numbers are feasible here.

I'd be shocked if we have enough eligible players that are seriously worth drafting. You're basically talking about 5 drafts (2019-23), with typically less than half of the players in each year being usable. For reference, less than 30 players from the 2019 draft are even playing in the league this season. Not to mention most rookies aren't helpful players, and quality role players tend to be more experienced guys who have figured out their niche in the league.

Yeah there aren’t enough players.

[wackbone]

Listen, I was born in 96, what do I know lol

Yes I know it would be tight, but I’m a bit tired of lineups of allstars/superstars. And we never use guys like Paolo/Franz/Sengun/etc. because they’re not nearly as valuable/practical as other available options. Even if not this, I’d love to do a draft without 4+ all-nba guys on each team. It’d be a significant downgrade from teams we build in all other drafts, but in theory all the teams within this game could be even. Limit to 8 participants (what most games have had recently) and we should have enough eligible players to draft.

I mean, I'm always on board for shaking up the pool but I just don't think the numbers are feasible here.

I'd be shocked if we have enough eligible players that are seriously worth drafting. You're basically talking about 5 drafts (2019-23), with typically less than half of the players in each year being usable. For reference, less than 30 players from the 2019 draft are even playing in the league this season. Not to mention most rookies aren't helpful players, and quality role players tend to be more experienced guys who have figured out their niche in the league.

Yeah there aren’t enough players.

I suppose it’s a matter of perspective on what constitutes “worth drafting”. I haven’t completely checked yet, but we should have enough eligible players (8 drafters x 7 players each with And1 = 56 eligible players needed). We’d be drafting a ton of guys we never do, guys who are no where near valuable enough for our games normally, but if all drafters are on the same playing field we could always try. Will be weird seeing guys like Jabari Smith Jr. and Jalen Johnson starting, but as long as we’re all dealing with it…

[Fadeaway_J]

I mean, I'm always on board for shaking up the pool but I just don't think the numbers are feasible here.

I'd be shocked if we have enough eligible players that are seriously worth drafting. You're basically talking about 5 drafts (2019-23), with typically less than half of the players in each year being usable. For reference, less than 30 players from the 2019 draft are even playing in the league this season. Not to mention most rookies aren't helpful players, and quality role players tend to be more experienced guys who have figured out their niche in the league.

Yeah there aren’t enough players.

I suppose it’s a matter of perspective on what constitutes “worth drafting”. I haven’t completely checked yet, but we should have enough eligible players (8 drafters x 7 players each with And1 = 56 eligible players needed). We’d be drafting a ton of guys we never do, guys who are no where near valuable enough for our games normally, but if all drafters are on the same playing field we could always try. Will be weird seeing guys like Jabari Smith Jr. and Jalen Johnson starting, but as long as we’re all dealing with it…

I don't necessarily mind guys like Smith and Johnson who are legit rotation players/starters. That's one of the reasons I'm opposed to exceptions when we do the single season drafts.

My concern would be not only that many of the players aren't "valuable enough", but that many of them haven't even done enough for me to properly assess their value on a real NBA team. It just feels like a bridge too far to have almost all your roster spots occupied by so many NBA babies. You might be able to five eight people who feel differently though.

[durantbird]

Maybe we can combine millennials with older players. Like Russell, Wilt, West, etc. Or also like Erving, Walton, Moses and more. The criteria can be guys who were born until 1955.

So we get the modern touch from the young guys.

Another option is that we can do the current draft East version, but maybe we should open up more years for the Americans as well. If you want to simulate similar depth like we had the in the West version.

[durantbird]

Maybe we can combine millennials with older players. Like Russell, Wilt, West, etc. Or also like Erving, Walton, Moses and more. The criteria can be guys who were born until 1955.

So we get the modern touch from the young guys.

Another option is that we can do the current draft East version, but maybe we should open up more years for the Americans as well. If you want to simulate similar depth like we had the in the West version.

Do we want to try the East version of current game with '80s and on for the Americans?

[Fadeaway_J]

Maybe we can combine millennials with older players. Like Russell, Wilt, West, etc. Or also like Erving, Walton, Moses and more. The criteria can be guys who were born until 1955.

So we get the modern touch from the young guys.

Another option is that we can do the current draft East version, but maybe we should open up more years for the Americans as well. If you want to simulate similar depth like we had the in the West version.

Do we want to try the East version of current game with '80s and on for the Americans?

Would prefer to do a regular draft first rather than three pairs in a row.

In any case, I wouldn't change anything from the West version.

[Fadeaway_J]

What about a draft with no All-NBA First Team players? Could be a fun wrinkle building around guys like Butler, Allen, Pierce, etc. who were #1 options on successful teams in real life.

[Snakebites]

What about a draft with no All-NBA First Team players? Could be a fun wrinkle building around guys like Butler, Allen, Pierce, etc. who were #1 options on successful teams in real life.

I’d be game for this, as it focuses heavily on players I tend to gravitate towards a lot anyway.

Does allowing players who have one first team add anyone OP if we also add a no MVP clause? Guys like Hill, Marc Gasol, and Paul George feel like they should be in this as they aren’t broadly accepted as number ones in these games either. They also lead pretty good teams IRL.

[Fadeaway_J]

What about a draft with no All-NBA First Team players? Could be a fun wrinkle building around guys like Butler, Allen, Pierce, etc. who were #1 options on successful teams in real life.

I’d be game for this, as it focuses heavily on players I tend to gravitate towards a lot anyway.

Does allowing players who have one first team add anyone OP if we also add a no MVP clause? Guys like Hill, Marc Gasol, and Paul George feel like they should be in this as they aren’t broadly accepted as number ones in these games either. They also lead pretty good teams IRL.

Yeah I think those guys fit the spirit of the game. Would just need to ban MVPs to get rid of Embiid.

Looking at the tracker, I see where we actually did the version you're suggesting, but that was way back in 2020.

[Snakebites]

What about a draft with no All-NBA First Team players? Could be a fun wrinkle building around guys like Butler, Allen, Pierce, etc. who were #1 options on successful teams in real life.

I’d be game for this, as it focuses heavily on players I tend to gravitate towards a lot anyway.

Does allowing players who have one first team add anyone OP if we also add a no MVP clause? Guys like Hill, Marc Gasol, and Paul George feel like they should be in this as they aren’t broadly accepted as number ones in these games either. They also lead pretty good teams IRL.

Yeah I think those guys fit the spirit of the game. Would just need to ban MVPs to get rid of Embiid.

Looking at the tracker, I see where we actually did the version you're suggesting, but that was way back in 2020.

Ah. It's hard to remember. I do not recall that game.

Go back even further and I think there was a draft that excluded all First AND Second teamers too.

[Laimbeer]

Donut draft - no players between 10 and 18 fga's.

[durantbird]

I’d be game for this, as it focuses heavily on players I tend to gravitate towards a lot anyway.

Does allowing players who have one first team add anyone OP if we also add a no MVP clause? Guys like Hill, Marc Gasol, and Paul George feel like they should be in this as they aren’t broadly accepted as number ones in these games either. They also lead pretty good teams IRL.

Yeah I think those guys fit the spirit of the game. Would just need to ban MVPs to get rid of Embiid.

Looking at the tracker, I see where we actually did the version you're suggesting, but that was way back in 2020.

Ah. It's hard to remember. I do not recall that game.

Go back even further and I think there was a draft that excluded all First AND Second teamers too.

I feel like maybe all the teams might turn out Snake-esque lol. I mean, it might be hard to differentiate/judge the teams with a long list of players all pretty much the same level. But interesting to find out.

Though I'm not sure the twist will be interesting enough for me to explore to play, haven't decided yet.

[Fadeaway_J]

Yeah I think those guys fit the spirit of the game. Would just need to ban MVPs to get rid of Embiid.

Looking at the tracker, I see where we actually did the version you're suggesting, but that was way back in 2020.

Ah. It's hard to remember. I do not recall that game.

Go back even further and I think there was a draft that excluded all First AND Second teamers too.

I feel like maybe all the teams might turn out Snake-esque lol. I mean, it might be hard to differentiate/judge the teams with a long list of players all pretty much the same level. But interesting to find out.

Though I'm not sure the twist will be interesting enough for me to explore to play, haven't decided yet.

If anything, I would find it easier to judge teams that didn't have guys like Ray Allen and Manu Ginobili as their fourth options. And it would force some more strategy in team-building rather than just relying on having LeBron, Steph, Jokic, Kawhi, etc.

To be frank, with how some people freak out when you "downgrade" a player from MVP to All-NBA First Team, I'd be pleasantly surprised if we got enough interest. Putting it out there nonetheless though.

[Snakebites]

Yeah I think those guys fit the spirit of the game. Would just need to ban MVPs to get rid of Embiid.

Looking at the tracker, I see where we actually did the version you're suggesting, but that was way back in 2020.

Ah. It's hard to remember. I do not recall that game.

Go back even further and I think there was a draft that excluded all First AND Second teamers too.

I feel like maybe all the teams might turn out Snake-esque lol. I mean, it might be hard to differentiate/judge the teams with a long list of players all pretty much the same level. But interesting to find out.

Though I'm not sure the twist will be interesting enough for me to explore to play, haven't decided yet.

I don't think the teams that would come out of this draft would be teams similar to the ones I- or anyone- makes in a normal game.

Everyone always has multiple guys on their team who would be ineligible in this premise, myself included.

Additionally, I actually like the idea of teams having to cobble together cohesive offenses without being able to lean on any transcendent playmakers, and defenses without any bigmen who can serve as anchors to both an offense and a defense.

[parsnips33]

Whatever the next game is I want in. Need a distraction from actual basketball

[durantbird]

Clubs which won all their championships in a single decade

1. Sacramento (1950s)


2. Hawks (1950s)


3. New York Knicks (1970s)


4. Portland Trail Blazers (1970s)


5. OKC (1970s)


6. Washington (1970s)


7. Chicago Bulls (1990s)


8. Houston Rockets (1990s)


9. Dallas Mavericks (2010s)


10. Toronto Raptors (2010s)


11. Cleveland Cavaliers (2010s)


12. Denver Nuggets (2020s)

[parsnips33]

Clubs which won all their championships in a single decade

1. Sacramento (1950s)


2. Hawks (1950s)


3. New York Knicks (1970s)


4. Portland Trail Blazers (1970s)


5. OKC (1970s)


6. Washington (1970s)


7. Chicago Bulls (1990s)


8. Houston Rockets (1990s)


9. Dallas Mavericks (2010s)


10. Toronto Raptors (2010s)


11. Cleveland Cavaliers (2010s)


12. Denver Nuggets (2020s)

Pick a decade? And all your players have to be from one of the franchises that won only in that decade

[Laimbeer]

Donut draft - no players between 10 and 18 fga's.

Got a couple and 1's. Thoughts?

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[Snakebites]

Donut draft - no players between 10 and 18 fga's.

It’s in the voting thread.

I think each of those ideas should have their time.