Trade Ideas

[toooskies]

Who is in a better position to retain Jerome than us after trading for him? He makes no more sense for another team than he does for us, unless a team like Brooklyn wants to use summer cap space on him. But they have no incentive to trade for him, they'll just wait for him to be a FA instead.

The incentive would be the same incentive we've often used ... using those few months to convince ourselves and the player we're pursuing that we're a good fit.

I do think if nobody offers him more than the MLE, he'd be inclined to stay with us, but there are other factors like if another team is willing to make him a starter.

I don't know if he can maintain anywhere near his current level of production over the course of the season, but if he can, he's getting a lot more than the MLE. Trading him instead of losing him for nothing next summer isn't a decision we need to make now, but if we get to the deadline and there are multiple bidders, it's something you at least have to consider.

I just don't see contenders paying a very high price for a rental without being able to renew his contract and don't see non-contenders paying a high price to let him get to know the neighborhood.

[jbk1234]

The incentive would be the same incentive we've often used ... using those few months to convince ourselves and the player we're pursuing that we're a good fit.

I do think if nobody offers him more than the MLE, he'd be inclined to stay with us, but there are other factors like if another team is willing to make him a starter.

I don't know if he can maintain anywhere near his current level of production over the course of the season, but if he can, he's getting a lot more than the MLE. Trading him instead of losing him for nothing next summer isn't a decision we need to make now, but if we get to the deadline and there are multiple bidders, it's something you at least have to consider.

I just don't see contenders paying a very high price for a rental without being able to renew his contract and don't see non-contenders paying a high price to let him get to know the neighborhood.

Well if the offers suck, it will be a rather easy decision. There is value to acquiring a guy you want to sign in the summer early. You can have the contract discussions well in advance of free agency. Other cap space teams will move on to other targets if the player is viewed as likely to re-sign.

[toooskies]

I don't know if he can maintain anywhere near his current level of production over the course of the season, but if he can, he's getting a lot more than the MLE. Trading him instead of losing him for nothing next summer isn't a decision we need to make now, but if we get to the deadline and there are multiple bidders, it's something you at least have to consider.

I just don't see contenders paying a very high price for a rental without being able to renew his contract and don't see non-contenders paying a high price to let him get to know the neighborhood.

Well if the offers suck, it will be a rather easy decision. There is value to acquiring a guy you want to sign in the summer early. You can have the contract discussions well in advance of free agency. Other cap space teams will move on to other targets if the player is viewed as likely to re-sign.

Yeah, but you still don't have a guarantee that they're going to re-sign, so the team that trades for him would be under pressure to overpay him.

OTOH the Cavs could hold out hope that Jerome would take his pick of a 1+1PO or 5 years/$75m+ before other teams are allowed to make offers.

[JonFromVA]

I just don't see contenders paying a very high price for a rental without being able to renew his contract and don't see non-contenders paying a high price to let him get to know the neighborhood.

Well if the offers suck, it will be a rather easy decision. There is value to acquiring a guy you want to sign in the summer early. You can have the contract discussions well in advance of free agency. Other cap space teams will move on to other targets if the player is viewed as likely to re-sign.

Yeah, but you still don't have a guarantee that they're going to re-sign, so the team that trades for him would be under pressure to overpay him.

OTOH the Cavs could hold out hope that Jerome would take his pick of a 1+1PO or 5 years/$75m+ before other teams are allowed to make offers.

We also get to keep Jerome for the second half of the season which may be the biggest reason to hold on to him.

But there's definitely value for a team that's usually a non-factor in free-agency to trade for a player they'd like to sign.

[jbk1234]

I just don't see contenders paying a very high price for a rental without being able to renew his contract and don't see non-contenders paying a high price to let him get to know the neighborhood.

Well if the offers suck, it will be a rather easy decision. There is value to acquiring a guy you want to sign in the summer early. You can have the contract discussions well in advance of free agency. Other cap space teams will move on to other targets if the player is viewed as likely to re-sign.

Yeah, but you still don't have a guarantee that they're going to re-sign, so the team that trades for him would be under pressure to overpay him.

OTOH the Cavs could hold out hope that Jerome would take his pick of a 1+1PO or 5 years/$75m+ before other teams are allowed to make offers.

I don't think 5 years/$75M is in the cards. We didn't draft him.

[JonFromVA]

Well if the offers suck, it will be a rather easy decision. There is value to acquiring a guy you want to sign in the summer early. You can have the contract discussions well in advance of free agency. Other cap space teams will move on to other targets if the player is viewed as likely to re-sign.

Yeah, but you still don't have a guarantee that they're going to re-sign, so the team that trades for him would be under pressure to overpay him.

OTOH the Cavs could hold out hope that Jerome would take his pick of a 1+1PO or 5 years/$75m+ before other teams are allowed to make offers.

I don't think 5 years/$75M is in the cards. We didn't draft him.

The security should appeal to him, but we can't expect him to leave a ton of money on the table nor can we afford to pay him a ton of money (with the 1+1 approach) unless we plan to re-work our roster.

[toooskies]

Yeah, but you still don't have a guarantee that they're going to re-sign, so the team that trades for him would be under pressure to overpay him.

OTOH the Cavs could hold out hope that Jerome would take his pick of a 1+1PO or 5 years/$75m+ before other teams are allowed to make offers.

I don't think 5 years/$75M is in the cards. We didn't draft him.

The security should appeal to him, but we can't expect him to leave a ton of money on the table nor can we afford to pay him a ton of money (with the 1+1 approach) unless we plan to re-work our roster.

All I can say is we've got a little bit of equity with Jerome for giving him a chance to succeed. The question is how much he continues to exceed expectations.

[JonFromVA]

I don't think 5 years/$75M is in the cards. We didn't draft him.

The security should appeal to him, but we can't expect him to leave a ton of money on the table nor can we afford to pay him a ton of money (with the 1+1 approach) unless we plan to re-work our roster.

All I can say is we've got a little bit of equity with Jerome for giving him a chance to succeed. The question is how much he continues to exceed expectations.

You can trim his numbers down by a ton, and he'd still be a perfect backup PG for this team.

He's making a case someone should sign him to be their starting PG.

[jbk1234]

Yeah, but you still don't have a guarantee that they're going to re-sign, so the team that trades for him would be under pressure to overpay him.

OTOH the Cavs could hold out hope that Jerome would take his pick of a 1+1PO or 5 years/$75m+ before other teams are allowed to make offers.

I don't think 5 years/$75M is in the cards. We didn't draft him.

The security should appeal to him, but we can't expect him to leave a ton of money on the table nor can we afford to pay him a ton of money (with the 1+1 approach) unless we plan to re-work our roster.

What I'm saying, and I could be wrong, is that the Arenas exception only applies to players you actually drafted. I think the Tax MLE is the best we can do and that's only available if we release LeVert's Bird rights (which I'd gladly do).

[toooskies]

I don't think 5 years/$75M is in the cards. We didn't draft him.

The security should appeal to him, but we can't expect him to leave a ton of money on the table nor can we afford to pay him a ton of money (with the 1+1 approach) unless we plan to re-work our roster.

What I'm saying, and I could be wrong, is that the Arenas exception only applies to players you actually drafted. I think the Tax MLE is the best we can do and that's only available if we release LeVert's Bird rights (which I'd gladly do).

We have Jerome's Early Bird rights for having him under contract for 2 years. That allows for a contract up to 105% of the league-average salary when he becomes a free agent. That should start in the $13-14m range. And we should be technically able to pay LeVert and Merrill on top of that, if we (and they) are so inclined, at exorbitant cost in salary and tax.

But $15m annually might not be enough to keep Jerome if someone offers a starter role or starter money. (My eye is on Brooklyn, especially since he grew up in New York near Mitchell.)

[Eightnineborn]

The security should appeal to him, but we can't expect him to leave a ton of money on the table nor can we afford to pay him a ton of money (with the 1+1 approach) unless we plan to re-work our roster.

What I'm saying, and I could be wrong, is that the Arenas exception only applies to players you actually drafted. I think the Tax MLE is the best we can do and that's only available if we release LeVert's Bird rights (which I'd gladly do).

We have Jerome's Early Bird rights for having him under contract for 2 years. That allows for a contract up to 105% of the league-average salary when he becomes a free agent. That should start in the $13-14m range. And we should be technically able to pay LeVert and Merrill on top of that, if we (and they) are so inclined, at exorbitant cost in salary and tax.

But $15m annually might not be enough to keep Jerome if someone offers a starter role or starter money. (My eye is on Brooklyn, especially since he grew up in New York near Mitchell.)

Ty isnt a starter

[JonFromVA]

What I'm saying, and I could be wrong, is that the Arenas exception only applies to players you actually drafted. I think the Tax MLE is the best we can do and that's only available if we release LeVert's Bird rights (which I'd gladly do).

We have Jerome's Early Bird rights for having him under contract for 2 years. That allows for a contract up to 105% of the league-average salary when he becomes a free agent. That should start in the $13-14m range. And we should be technically able to pay LeVert and Merrill on top of that, if we (and they) are so inclined, at exorbitant cost in salary and tax.

But $15m annually might not be enough to keep Jerome if someone offers a starter role or starter money. (My eye is on Brooklyn, especially since he grew up in New York near Mitchell.)

Ty isnt a starter

Just takes one GM with cap space and a hole at PG to hope Jerome's numbers off the bench extrapolate to starters minutes ...

[toooskies]

We have Jerome's Early Bird rights for having him under contract for 2 years. That allows for a contract up to 105% of the league-average salary when he becomes a free agent. That should start in the $13-14m range. And we should be technically able to pay LeVert and Merrill on top of that, if we (and they) are so inclined, at exorbitant cost in salary and tax.

But $15m annually might not be enough to keep Jerome if someone offers a starter role or starter money. (My eye is on Brooklyn, especially since he grew up in New York near Mitchell.)

Ty isnt a starter

Just takes one GM with cap space and a hole at PG to hope Jerome's numbers off the bench extrapolate to starters minutes ...

He got sick and has looked a step slower since.

[JonFromVA]

Ty isnt a starter

Just takes one GM with cap space and a hole at PG to hope Jerome's numbers off the bench extrapolate to starters minutes ...

He got sick and has looked a step slower since.

I didn't notice, he always looks slow.

His numbers have sure dipped off / corrected a lot in December.

[toooskies]

Surprised DFS was had for as little as he was. If the Cavs weren’t interested for three 2nds, I don’t think they’re interested in much of anything.

[jbk1234]

Surprised DFS was had for as little as he was. If the Cavs weren’t interested for three 2nds, I don’t think they’re interested in much of anything.

The Nets took back an expiring DLo. Perhaps the Cavs weren't willing to part with LeVert.

[JujitsuFlip]

Surprised DFS was had for as little as he was. If the Cavs weren’t interested for three 2nds, I don’t think they’re interested in much of anything.

Yeah, i don't think they will make a move. Too hot of a start.

They do need to fill spot 15 with an actual center with eyes on April, May, and June.

[jbk1234]

Surprised DFS was had for as little as he was. If the Cavs weren’t interested for three 2nds, I don’t think they’re interested in much of anything.

Yeah, i don't think they will make a move. Too hot of a start.

They do need to fill spot 15 with an actual center with eyes on April, May, and June.

Niang is still unplayable in certain matchups and we're a Wade injury away from disaster pants. Denver scored at will when Niang was on the floor last night.

[JujitsuFlip]

Surprised DFS was had for as little as he was. If the Cavs weren’t interested for three 2nds, I don’t think they’re interested in much of anything.

Yeah, i don't think they will make a move. Too hot of a start.

They do need to fill spot 15 with an actual center with eyes on April, May, and June.

Niang is still unplayable in certain matchups and we're a Wade injury away from disaster pants. Denver scored at will when Niang was on the floor last night.

Niang's minutes were severely cut in the playoffs, i assume that happens again.

We all hope for a healthy Wade in the spring, it just never happens.

I am not sure who they can sign or trade for cheaply. I assume someone the caliber of D. Jones (either one), Morris, Rondo, Green, Ed Davis, RoLo, Neto, Pangos.

[JonFromVA]

Yeah, i don't think they will make a move. Too hot of a start.

They do need to fill spot 15 with an actual center with eyes on April, May, and June.

Niang is still unplayable in certain matchups and we're a Wade injury away from disaster pants. Denver scored at will when Niang was on the floor last night.

Niang's minutes were severely cut in the playoffs, i assume that happens again.

We all hope for a healthy Wade in the spring, it just never happens.

I am not sure who they can sign or trade for cheaply. I assume someone the caliber of D. Jones (either one), Morris, Rondo, Green, Ed Davis, RoLo, Neto, Pangos.

Denver scored at will all night long, but it didn't matter; and the reason why it didn't matter was because of our 3pt firepower. Way too early to throw Niang off the bus given the way the team has been playing.

LeVert and Niang are leading the team in OnCourt +/- ... Kenny has turned our little world upside down.