Ayton, Grant, and Simons for anything?

[BlazersBroncos]

Why on earth we didn't trade our vets is increasingly looking silly. Grant's stock has absolutely plummeted.

we can thank Clueless Joe for that, this team is inept across the board - coach/GM/ownership

If your going to suck at least be fun to watch.

Grant / Ant / Ayton taken 981 of 2611 shots so far - 38%. And each has missed games.

Our meh youth is getting little to no PT - Kris at 12mpg. Rayan at 10mpg.

Deni is only getting 26mpg and he is pretty clearly the teams best player.

Its insanity.

Meanwhile - Grant and Simons are having putrid seasons and their values have tanked. Ayton is still just eating up space.

I paid for League Pass and dont even watch the games. It wasnt even a conscious decision - I just sort of forgot about them. Thats speaks more than getting fed up. They are just nothing.

[Blazinaway]

Why on earth we didn't trade our vets is increasingly looking silly. Grant's stock has absolutely plummeted.

we can thank Clueless Joe for that, this team is inept across the board - coach/GM/ownership

If your going to suck at least be fun to watch.

Grant / Ant / Ayton taken 981 of 2611 shots so far - 38%. And each has missed games.

Our meh youth is getting little to no PT - Kris at 12mpg. Rayan at 10mpg.

Deni is only getting 26mpg and he is pretty clearly the teams best player.

Its insanity.

Meanwhile - Grant and Simons are having putrid seasons and their values have tanked. Ayton is still just eating up space.

I paid for League Pass and dont even watch the games. It wasnt even a conscious decision - I just sort of forgot about them. Thats speaks more than getting fed up. They are just nothing.

I have a knee replacement coming up in early Jan, am hoping the pain of watching the Blazers will distract me somewhat from the pain of the TKR...LOL

[JRoy]

we can thank Clueless Joe for that, this team is inept across the board - coach/GM/ownership

If your going to suck at least be fun to watch.

Grant / Ant / Ayton taken 981 of 2611 shots so far - 38%. And each has missed games.

Our meh youth is getting little to no PT - Kris at 12mpg. Rayan at 10mpg.

Deni is only getting 26mpg and he is pretty clearly the teams best player.

Its insanity.

Meanwhile - Grant and Simons are having putrid seasons and their values have tanked. Ayton is still just eating up space.

I paid for League Pass and dont even watch the games. It wasnt even a conscious decision - I just sort of forgot about them. Thats speaks more than getting fed up. They are just nothing.

I have a knee replacement coming up in early Jan, am hoping the pain of watching the Blazers will distract me somewhat from the pain of the TKR...LOL

That’s rough.

Good luck with recovery.

[Tim Lehrbach]

I know better than to place any stock in the wisdom of the commons (Trade Board), but here I go anyway: when I look at the speculative "market" for other players on there (Cam Johnson, rental Ingram, rental Butler, LaVine, DeRozan...), it just reinforces the my perception that there are no assets to be had for our veterans. There are significantly better players potentially available in trade who are drawing tepid interest -- or at least haven't been traded for significant value yet.

It's admittedly a guess, but I just don't think teams are so eager anymore to cough up picks for rentals or role players. Never go full Afflalo.

[BlazersBroncos]

I know better than to place any stock in the wisdom of the commons (Trade Board), but here I go anyway: when I look at the speculative "market" for other players on there (Cam Johnson, rental Ingram, rental Butler, LaVine, DeRozan...), it just reinforces the my perception that there are no assets to be had for our veterans. There are significantly better players potentially available in trade who are drawing tepid interest -- or at least haven't been traded for significant value yet.

It's admittedly a guess, but I just don't think teams are so eager anymore to cough up picks for rentals or role players. Never go full Afflalo.

100% agreement.

I see no FRP on the table for Simons, Ayton or Grant.

Ayton has an archetype that isnt in demand, is overpaid, doesnt space the floor, doesnt protect the rim and few teams would even have both matching salary and a starting C need if he was remotely coveted.

Simons is one of a gaggle of short, score only combo guards projected to be avaliable. He is having his worst season ever and is a generationally poor defender by all advanced metrics.

Grant is having a putrid season and was handed a contract that should, in retrospect, be a capital offense. 3 more years after this at 30M+. There is a good chance that if he continues this level of play by the summer of 2025 Jerami Grant will be considered the worst contract in the entire league. Let that set in and give me some examples of worse if you disagree.

We sat on our stocks too long and the .com bubble has burst. Its basically worst case scenario for the Blazers regarding the value of these guys. They are all having their worst seasons of their careers - more or less and the NBA trade market has dramatically changed due to the new CBA. Its a total cluster ****.

[Butter]

I know better than to place any stock in the wisdom of the commons (Trade Board), but here I go anyway: when I look at the speculative "market" for other players on there (Cam Johnson, rental Ingram, rental Butler, LaVine, DeRozan...), it just reinforces the my perception that there are no assets to be had for our veterans. There are significantly better players potentially available in trade who are drawing tepid interest -- or at least haven't been traded for significant value yet.

It's admittedly a guess, but I just don't think teams are so eager anymore to cough up picks for rentals or role players. Never go full Afflalo.

100% agreement.

I see no FRP on the table for Simons, Ayton or Grant.

Ayton has an archetype that isnt in demand, is overpaid, doesnt space the floor, doesnt protect the rim and few teams would even have both matching salary and a starting C need if he was remotely coveted.

Simons is one of a gaggle of short, score only combo guards projected to be avaliable. He is having his worst season ever and is a generationally poor defender by all advanced metrics.

Grant is having a putrid season and was handed a contract that should, in retrospect, be a capital offense. 3 more years after this at 30M+. There is a good chance that if he continues this level of play by the summer of 2025 Jerami Grant will be considered the worst contract in the entire league. Let that set in and give me some examples of worse if you disagree.

We sat on our stocks too long and the .com bubble has burst. Its basically worst case scenario for the Blazers regarding the value of these guys. They are all having their worst seasons of their careers - more or less and the NBA trade market has dramatically changed due to the new CBA. Its a total cluster ****.

Maybe for this trade deadline, but not forever.

Other teams might trade for Blazers players for two reasons:

1) to help them win more games
2) expiring contracts to get under the salary aprons

If Cronin can't make a move this year, I will be very bummed, but next year,

....................25-26..........26-27
Ayton: $35,550,814......$0
Simons: $27,678,571......$0
Matice: $11,500,000......$0

That's going to look pretty appealing to salary capped teams.

[Wizenheimer]

I know better than to place any stock in the wisdom of the commons (Trade Board), but here I go anyway: when I look at the speculative "market" for other players on there (Cam Johnson, rental Ingram, rental Butler, LaVine, DeRozan...), it just reinforces the my perception that there are no assets to be had for our veterans. There are significantly better players potentially available in trade who are drawing tepid interest -- or at least haven't been traded for significant value yet.

It's admittedly a guess, but I just don't think teams are so eager anymore to cough up picks for rentals or role players. Never go full Afflalo.

That's kind of where I've been at since last season's deadline. Maybe last year Grant might have fetched a protected 1st, but that 5 year deal was extremely heavy. But it seems even more unlikely this year. Simon and Ayton? forget about it. Thybulle not a chance; might not even yield a 2nd. Timelord? well, since he came to Portland he's played in 16 games while missing 95. Who is going to toss a 1st at that?

some of this has to be situational. The value of a 2024 first was much less than a 2025 first considering the strengths of the draft classes. Anybody owning a 2025 first will be squeezing them tight. There is also another significant factor: 4 teams. OKC-Nets-Spurs-Utah control 65-70 first round picks over the next 7 seasons; and about 80 second round picks. They are setting the market and looking at those teams, none of them would have any significant interest in vets like Portland has

[PDXKnight]

I know better than to place any stock in the wisdom of the commons (Trade Board), but here I go anyway: when I look at the speculative "market" for other players on there (Cam Johnson, rental Ingram, rental Butler, LaVine, DeRozan...), it just reinforces the my perception that there are no assets to be had for our veterans. There are significantly better players potentially available in trade who are drawing tepid interest -- or at least haven't been traded for significant value yet.

It's admittedly a guess, but I just don't think teams are so eager anymore to cough up picks for rentals or role players. Never go full Afflalo.

100% agreement.

I see no FRP on the table for Simons, Ayton or Grant.

Ayton has an archetype that isnt in demand, is overpaid, doesnt space the floor, doesnt protect the rim and few teams would even have both matching salary and a starting C need if he was remotely coveted.

Simons is one of a gaggle of short, score only combo guards projected to be avaliable. He is having his worst season ever and is a generationally poor defender by all advanced metrics.

Grant is having a putrid season and was handed a contract that should, in retrospect, be a capital offense. 3 more years after this at 30M+. There is a good chance that if he continues this level of play by the summer of 2025 Jerami Grant will be considered the worst contract in the entire league. Let that set in and give me some examples of worse if you disagree.

We sat on our stocks too long and the .com bubble has burst. Its basically worst case scenario for the Blazers regarding the value of these guys. They are all having their worst seasons of their careers - more or less and the NBA trade market has dramatically changed due to the new CBA. Its a total cluster ****.

Maybe for this trade deadline, but not forever.

Other teams might trade for Blazers players for two reasons:

1) to help them win more games
2) expiring contracts to get under the salary aprons

If Cronin can't make a move this year, I will be very bummed, but next year,

....................25-26..........26-27
Ayton: $35,550,814......$0
Simons: $27,678,571......$0
Matice: $11,500,000......$0

That's going to look pretty appealing to salary capped teams.

Yeah that's true, if we hold onto them teams may be paying us for our expiring contracts in 2025-26 by the deadline.

Grant is just a clunker contract, not sure where we go from here on that one but I'm betting it'll take the 2026-27 season before he's movable unless we are taking a comparable contract (or worse) back. If a team is still offering us an escape clause on that deal and Cronin isn't jumping on it I'd be pretty upset. I think there's a very real possibility if we get to the other end of the rainbow on this rebuild we will still have jerami as a role player as the cost of offloading that contract may prove too costly to be worthwhile for a year or two

[dckingsfan]

Grant is just a clunker contract, not sure where we go from here on that one but I'm betting it'll take the 2026-27 season before he's movable unless we are taking a comparable contract (or worse) back. If a team is still offering us an escape clause on that deal and Cronin isn't jumping on it I'd be pretty upset. I think there's a very real possibility if we get to the other end of the rainbow on this rebuild we will still have jerami as a role player as the cost of offloading that contract may prove too costly to be worthwhile for a year or two

I can't remember who brought it up, but I liked the Grant for Middelton straight up trade -- no draft assets transferred.

Why would Milwaukee do this. It times well with their window and Grant plays more than Middleton. Grant is also a very good 3-point shooter especially when left open.

It gives Portland more cap flexibility.

Another variation would be Grant & Rupert for Middelton & AJ Johnson.

[BlazersBroncos]

Grant is just a clunker contract, not sure where we go from here on that one but I'm betting it'll take the 2026-27 season before he's movable unless we are taking a comparable contract (or worse) back. If a team is still offering us an escape clause on that deal and Cronin isn't jumping on it I'd be pretty upset. I think there's a very real possibility if we get to the other end of the rainbow on this rebuild we will still have jerami as a role player as the cost of offloading that contract may prove too costly to be worthwhile for a year or two

I can't remember who brought it up, but I liked the Grant for Middelton straight up trade -- no draft assets transferred.

Why would Milwaukee do this. It times well with their window and Grant plays more than Middleton. Grant is also a very good 3-point shooter especially when left open.

It gives Portland more cap flexibility.

Another variation would be Grant & Rupert for Middelton & AJ Johnson.

MIL fans had a pretty negative reception to that idea. Middleton has a higher ceiling and many were not willing to take on Grant's much longer deal.

Kris also looks back to form the past 3 games or so. Mids has had 5+ assist in 2 of his last 3 games. Grant has managed 5+ in 3 out of 27 games this year. Middleton for sure is a more dynamic player when healthy.

[dckingsfan]

Grant is just a clunker contract, not sure where we go from here on that one but I'm betting it'll take the 2026-27 season before he's movable unless we are taking a comparable contract (or worse) back. If a team is still offering us an escape clause on that deal and Cronin isn't jumping on it I'd be pretty upset. I think there's a very real possibility if we get to the other end of the rainbow on this rebuild we will still have jerami as a role player as the cost of offloading that contract may prove too costly to be worthwhile for a year or two

I can't remember who brought it up, but I liked the Grant for Middelton straight up trade -- no draft assets transferred.

Why would Milwaukee do this. It times well with their window and Grant plays more than Middleton. Grant is also a very good 3-point shooter especially when left open.

It gives Portland more cap flexibility.

Another variation would be Grant & Rupert for Middelton & AJ Johnson.

MIL fans had a pretty negative reception to that idea. Middleton has a higher ceiling and many were not willing to take on Grant's much longer deal.

Kris also looks back to form the past 3 games or so. Mids has had 5+ assist in 2 of his last 3 games. Grant has managed 5+ in 3 out of 27 games this year. Middleton for sure is a more dynamic player when healthy.

Yep.

But that is the key. Will he even be able to play in the playoffs...

That will be a trade-off that a GM would have to consider. An interesting one at that...

[PDXKnight]

I can't remember who brought it up, but I liked the Grant for Middelton straight up trade -- no draft assets transferred.

Why would Milwaukee do this. It times well with their window and Grant plays more than Middleton. Grant is also a very good 3-point shooter especially when left open.

It gives Portland more cap flexibility.

Another variation would be Grant & Rupert for Middelton & AJ Johnson.

MIL fans had a pretty negative reception to that idea. Middleton has a higher ceiling and many were not willing to take on Grant's much longer deal.

Kris also looks back to form the past 3 games or so. Mids has had 5+ assist in 2 of his last 3 games. Grant has managed 5+ in 3 out of 27 games this year. Middleton for sure is a more dynamic player when healthy.

Yep.

But that is the key. Will he even be able to play in the playoffs...

That will be a trade-off that a GM would have to consider. An interesting one at that...

It depends if you view jerami grant as a net negative with his current contract. As it stands I'd imagine a good amount of teams might indeed consider his deal a negative and would not trade a comparable player (in terms of net production) on a shorter deal for Grant on a longer contract without added incentive to offset the potential negative value of the contract

[dckingsfan]

MIL fans had a pretty negative reception to that idea. Middleton has a higher ceiling and many were not willing to take on Grant's much longer deal.

Kris also looks back to form the past 3 games or so. Mids has had 5+ assist in 2 of his last 3 games. Grant has managed 5+ in 3 out of 27 games this year. Middleton for sure is a more dynamic player when healthy.

Yep.

But that is the key. Will he even be able to play in the playoffs...

That will be a trade-off that a GM would have to consider. An interesting one at that...

It depends if you view jerami grant as a net negative with his current contract. As it stands I'd imagine a good amount of teams might indeed consider his deal a negative and would not trade a comparable player (in terms of net production) on a shorter deal for Grant on a longer contract without added incentive to offset the potential negative value of the contract

Can't disagree there. In this case, will Middleton be available in the playoffs vs. his better contact. That is the trade-off...

[PDXKnight]

Yep.

But that is the key. Will he even be able to play in the playoffs...

That will be a trade-off that a GM would have to consider. An interesting one at that...

It depends if you view jerami grant as a net negative with his current contract. As it stands I'd imagine a good amount of teams might indeed consider his deal a negative and would not trade a comparable player (in terms of net production) on a shorter deal for Grant on a longer contract without added incentive to offset the potential negative value of the contract

Can't disagree there. In this case, will Middleton be available in the playoffs vs. his better contact. That is the trade-off...

Perhaps, if we could get them to agree to a straight swap we'd better take it and run though

[Walton1one]

Scoot trade rumor:

Don't see this happening, seems pretty favorable to UTA IMO.

Blazers receive: Keldon Johnson, a 2025 second-round pick from the Spurs, a 2026 second-round draft pick from the Spurs, and a 2027 second-round draft pick from the Spurs

Jazz receive: Scoot Henderson, Malaki Branham, Sidy Cissoko, and a 2025 first-round draft pick from the Spurs

Spurs receive: Collin Sexton and Matisse Thybulle

The Blazers would get a young wing in Keldon Johnson who has a lot of physical tools. He just needs to be on a decent team to showcase how good he can be. Portland would also be able to get some draft capital to help fund their continued rebuild.

The Jazz would get a lot of young players, including Henderson. They are also a team in rebuild mode. Getting all of those young players, as well as a first-round pick, makes this trade very enticing for them. Meanwhile, the Spurs get two players who can help them win now.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/blockbuster_trade_proposal_sees_blazers_move_on_from_scoot_henderson/s1_16763_41470707

[cucad8]

LOL. Jazz get a 1st and Scoot for Colin Sexton?

Also, this isn't a rumor. This is the equivalent of the trades and transactions board here.

[Butter]

Scoot trade rumor:

Don't see this happening, seems pretty favorable to UTA IMO.

Blazers receive: Keldon Johnson, a 2025 second-round pick from the Spurs, a 2026 second-round draft pick from the Spurs, and a 2027 second-round draft pick from the Spurs

Jazz receive: Scoot Henderson, Malaki Branham, Sidy Cissoko, and a 2025 first-round draft pick from the Spurs

Spurs receive: Collin Sexton and Matisse Thybulle

The Blazers would get a young wing in Keldon Johnson who has a lot of physical tools. He just needs to be on a decent team to showcase how good he can be. Portland would also be able to get some draft capital to help fund their continued rebuild.

The Jazz would get a lot of young players, including Henderson. They are also a team in rebuild mode. Getting all of those young players, as well as a first-round pick, makes this trade very enticing for them. Meanwhile, the Spurs get two players who can help them win now.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/blockbuster_trade_proposal_sees_blazers_move_on_from_scoot_henderson/s1_16763_41470707

I'm not against trading Scoot, but this is a sell low deal. The Blazers sunk cost on Scoot is a 3rd overall pick. Kelson Johnson might be nice, but he's got $17.5M for two more years after this season.

Blazers don't gain salary space and don't get 1RPs?

Id rather just hold onto Scoot and see if he can improve.

[Tim Lehrbach]

Yeah, there's no point in moving Scoot right now. As of now, he's a bust and would return nothing worthwhile in trade. Might as well just let him play out his contract and hope for the best.

[BlazersBroncos]

Yeah, there's no point in moving Scoot right now. As of now, he's a bust and would return nothing worthwhile in trade. Might as well just let him play out his contract and hope for the best.

This is generally where I am. I do think there is a conversation to be had if we take a PG w/ our FRP in 2025.

A team with numerous FRP may be willing to move 1 for Scoot. In this scenario it would be pretty hard to pass up. Brooklyn is projected to have 2 FRP in that 25-30 range. If we take a stud like Dylan, Kasparas or even Fears (Who is skyrocketing up boards IMO - kid is a beast) then using Scoot to get a late FRP and snag a forward would be a decent play.

I am totally out on Scoot. If he turns it around, great. At this point I am not sure he can even rebuild his game to be a Kris Dunn level backup. I can see him getting a few vet min deals after his rookie deal and being out of the league by 24-25.

[Butter]

Id like to see Scoot with a really good developmental coach