NBA Trade Thread #11

[ChettheJet]

The story linked on the news is PHO wishing to move Nurkic and one C they're interested in is Vucevic. Not even for Christmas are the Bulls interested in in that trade and PHO doesn't have any picks to make it attractive.

So? Ho Ho Ho. Let's send Nurkic, Jevon Carter and Dalen Terry to PORT

Ayton to the Bulls

Vucevic to PHO

I know PORT ends up with too many players so maybe it expands so the Bulls add Torrey Craig to PHO so CHI gets two back from PORT, maybe 2 good players and the Blazers get their pick back. Maybe another team needs to get in on shuffling guys

[sco]

The story linked on the news is PHO wishing to move Nurkic and one C they're interested in is Vucevic. Not even for Christmas are the Bulls interested in in that trade and PHO doesn't have any picks to make it attractive.

So? Ho Ho Ho. Let's send Nurkic, Jevon Carter and Dalen Terry to PORT

Ayton to the Bulls

Vucevic to PHO

I know PORT ends up with too many players so maybe it expands so the Bulls add Torrey Craig to PHO so CHI gets two back from PORT, maybe 2 good players and the Blazers get their pick back. Maybe another team needs to get in on shuffling guys

No thanks on Ayton. That dude is a worse but more expensive version of Vuc.

[kodo]

Ayton is physically gifted but the drive isn't there. Saw him throw a lob down above Wemby and damn, this guy could do some things in the NBA if he cared. But unfortunately he already believes he's "Dominayton" the league.

I remember pre draft during an interview very early in the process they asked him what NBA player he patterns his game after and he said Lauri Markkanen. Kinda showed what he's interested in (scoring, jump shots) and what's he's not (defense, hustle, grind).

[sco]

I'm not a huge fan of a Butler deal, but what about:

Butler/Ware for Vuc/Ball/White?

[Muzbar]

I'm not a huge fan of a Butler deal, but what about:

Butler/Ware for Vuc/Ball/White?

I'm not sure why Miami would do this.

[Infinity2152]

I'm not a huge fan of a Butler deal, but what about:

Butler/Ware for Vuc/Ball/White?

I'm not sure why Miami would do this.

What is Jimmy to Miami right now? They're not likely to go far even with him, and he could be gone this summer for nothing. White and Vuc would have immediate value and gives them two trade pieces this summer if they want to clear cap, plus the chance to re-sign Lonzo cheap or clear $20 mill cap. Considering Jimmy's a free agent this summer, and they'd have to sign him to a max, whichc they clearly don't want to do, that's actually a lot for him. Bam could be THE ideal guy to play next to Vuc. Coby's not starter level, but he's pretty good and cheap. His name probably carries more weight than Ware. Bulls could just wait until this summer and get Butler without the Heat getting anything by moving pieces elsewhere.

How much is half a season of Jimmy worth, assuming he doesn't get injured, if you really don't expect to go anywhere? They're like at best 5th best roster in the East, let alone the league. There are reasons the Heat would consider this, whether we agree or not with whether they should. Holding onto Butler could really go sideways, and teams are not giving up a crazy amount for a 35 yr old expiring Butler looking for a max deal. It's been reported Jimmy wants to be traded by the deadline, we're not listed with his preferred destinations, so pass. Don't want a Jimmy that doesn't REALLY want to be here.

[leo921]

Bulls trade - White/Vuc
Pistons trade - Hardaway/Thompson/1-2 2nds

Bulls save 8m this year alone plus Hardaway is a 16m expiring contract so this move opens up cap room for next year.
Thompson to me is the prize in the trade and can see a fun uptempo defensive group with Ayo/Thompson/Williams/Matas/Smith group that will play hard but lose games so we keep our pick. We can start building a nice young core and have cap room moving forward.
(moving forward I would resign Ayo, and let Giddy walk, at most sign him to MLE)

Cade and the Pistons have shown great growth with the addition of shooters and vets to the team. Vuc would be a huge help to this team and I can see him really helping Duran develop his feel, passing, and getting into better defensive positions.
Cade/Ivey/White is a good long term guard tandem moving forward since White can play both spots and would help both guys.

[Infinity2152]

Has anybody put together a list of top 100 players we'd actually want to get on the Bulls, that are reasonably attainable? Based on Ayo, Matas, Smith, Giddey, and probably Zach being here next year? Everybody else, including Zach is trade bait. I'd start with (in no particular order and I know some would be difficult to trade for!)

Derrick White $20 mill
Zion Williamson $37 mill (been out since Nov 6th, huge risk)
Anthony Davis $43 mill (Lakers could pivot from trying to support 41 year old Lebron)
Naz Reid $14 mill
Johnathan Kuminga $7.6
Keegan Murray 8.8 mill
Devin Vassell 29.3 (Would take in a Zach trade, get our pick back or protection increased)
Kyle Kuzma 23.5 mill (would take in a trade for Pat Will)
Brandon Ingram $36 mill
Jimmy Butler $48.8, looking for max

Everybody else in the top 100 looks like they'd cost too much in terms of trade value and contract. Looking at the list, I'd probably press hard to trade for Ingram first, then Reid, Vassell, White, Kuminga in that order.

Derrick White is an intriguing target. A little older, but could be a great two way starting PG for the next 4-5 years. He's about to make almost $30 mill, Celtics can't just keep using the infinite money glitch. White keeps them in the repeater tax. Coby would be a fraction of that cost, even if they stay in the tax.

[Muzbar]

I'm not a huge fan of a Butler deal, but what about:

Butler/Ware for Vuc/Ball/White?

I'm not sure why Miami would do this.

What is Jimmy to Miami right now? They're not likely to go far even with him, and he could be gone this summer for nothing. White and Vuc would have immediate value and gives them two trade pieces this summer if they want to clear cap, plus the chance to re-sign Lonzo cheap or clear $20 mill cap. Considering Jimmy's a free agent this summer, and they'd have to sign him to a max, whichc they clearly don't want to do, that's actually a lot for him. Bam could be THE ideal guy to play next to Vuc. Coby's not starter level, but he's pretty good and cheap. His name probably carries more weight than Ware. Bulls could just wait until this summer and get Butler without the Heat getting anything by moving pieces elsewhere.

How much is half a season of Jimmy worth, assuming he doesn't get injured, if you really don't expect to go anywhere? They're like at best 5th best roster in the East, let alone the league. There are reasons the Heat would consider this, whether we agree or not with whether they should. Holding onto Butler could really go sideways, and teams are not giving up a crazy amount for a 35 yr old expiring Butler looking for a max deal. It's been reported Jimmy wants to be traded by the deadline, we're not listed with his preferred destinations, so pass. Don't want a Jimmy that doesn't REALLY want to be here.

Miami already have a C in Bam (I don't think is a modern PF, do you want him chasing Tatum etc around out on the perimeter?) and a SG/PG in Herro plus Rozier.

Everyone keeps trying to get Vuc to Miami but I'm just not seeing the fit.

[Infinity2152]

I'm not sure why Miami would do this.

What is Jimmy to Miami right now? They're not likely to go far even with him, and he could be gone this summer for nothing. White and Vuc would have immediate value and gives them two trade pieces this summer if they want to clear cap, plus the chance to re-sign Lonzo cheap or clear $20 mill cap. Considering Jimmy's a free agent this summer, and they'd have to sign him to a max, whichc they clearly don't want to do, that's actually a lot for him. Bam could be THE ideal guy to play next to Vuc. Coby's not starter level, but he's pretty good and cheap. His name probably carries more weight than Ware. Bulls could just wait until this summer and get Butler without the Heat getting anything by moving pieces elsewhere.

How much is half a season of Jimmy worth, assuming he doesn't get injured, if you really don't expect to go anywhere? They're like at best 5th best roster in the East, let alone the league. There are reasons the Heat would consider this, whether we agree or not with whether they should. Holding onto Butler could really go sideways, and teams are not giving up a crazy amount for a 35 yr old expiring Butler looking for a max deal. It's been reported Jimmy wants to be traded by the deadline, we're not listed with his preferred destinations, so pass. Don't want a Jimmy that doesn't REALLY want to be here.

Miami already have a C in Bam (I don't think is a modern PF, do you want him chasing Tatum etc around out on the perimeter?) and a SG/PG in Herro plus Rozier.

Everyone keeps trying to get Vuc to Miami but I'm just not seeing the fit.

I can see why you'd feel that way. I will say almost no PF's can guard Tatum, he's averaging 29 pts/gm, lol! Bam can effectively guard 90% of the PF's in the league, imo. Could he guard Holmgren, or Jaren Jackson, or Porzingas or Aaron Gordon? Way better than Jaquez or Love or Jovic, whoever they're starting there now. You could stagger their minutes, and Bam play a fair amount at backup center as well.This isn't about Vuc to Miami, just saying he and Coby could conceivably work there. Having Herro and Rozier there mean Coby comes in as sixth man and injury replacement starter, that has value. They still need to move Duncan Robinson and get a good wing, unless jaquez steps up at SF. Just throwing up proposals that could make sense, won't presume to think I I know how the Heat value players or the direction they're trying to go. Value for value, deal looks pretty fair.

You miss every shot you don't take. Would rather make 10 offers, even if some are less probable, and end up weighing 3 of them, than make 4 more certain offers, and only have 1 option.

[prolific passer]

zion is a risk but remember he got drafted by the pels after the whole AD fiasco and I think he never wanted to go there. He's only like 23-24 years old. Plenty of time to turn his career around in the right situation. That is if he has the mindset to do so which is probably what teams are afraid of.

Butler apparently giving the Heat till Feb 6 to trade him or he will do something bad..... I guess?

[HomoSapien]

I'm not a huge fan of a Butler deal, but what about:

Butler/Ware for Vuc/Ball/White?

2024 Vuc is pretty good and helping us more than he's hurting us. If we're trading for Butler, then trading Vuc seems counterproductive to me. And sure White's disappointing and far from a keeper, but man it's hard for me to justify trading a 24-year-old starter/6th man for a 35-year-old Butler.

I absolutely love Butler. Probably my favorite non-dynasty Bull. But I can't really make sense of trading back for him.

[HomoSapien]

I want Walker Kessler.

I wanted to draft him several years ago. We took Dalen Terry instead.

Walker Kessler isn't a star, but he's a building block and a defensive force. Here's a bunch of random trade ideas. Does Ainge agree to any of them?

1. Kessler and Clarkson for Coby White and Duarte

2. Kessler and Eubanks for Josh Giddey

3. Kessler and Clarkson for Patrick WIlliams

4. Bulls trade: Vucevic, Craig, Duarte
Bulls receive: Kessler, Moody, Looney, Payton II

Warriors Trade: 2025 1st, Looney, Moody, Payton II
Warriors Receive: Vucevic and Craig

Jazz Trade: Kessler
Jazz Receive: GS 2025 1st and Duarte

[leo921]

I want Walker Kessler.

I wanted to draft him several years ago. We took Dalen Terry instead.

Walker Kessler isn't a star, but he's a building block and a defensive force. Here's a bunch of random trade ideas. Does Ainge agree to any of them?

1. Kessler and Clarkson for Coby White and Duarte

2. Kessler and Eubanks for Josh Giddey

3. Kessler and Clarkson for Patrick WIlliams

4. Bulls trade: Vucevic, Craig, Duarte
Bulls receive: Kessler, Moody, Looney, Payton II

Warriors Trade: 2025 1st, Looney, Moody, Payton II
Warriors Receive: Vucevic and Craig

Jazz Trade: Kessler
Jazz Receive: GS 2025 1st and Duarte

2. Kessler and Eubanks for Josh Giddey

Would love this trade, turn Giddy into a real long term asset and the Jazz have been dying to have a real PG to help
guide the team and direct there younger players.

[sco]

I want Walker Kessler.

I wanted to draft him several years ago. We took Dalen Terry instead.

Walker Kessler isn't a star, but he's a building block and a defensive force. Here's a bunch of random trade ideas. Does Ainge agree to any of them?

1. Kessler and Clarkson for Coby White and Duarte

2. Kessler and Eubanks for Josh Giddey

3. Kessler and Clarkson for Patrick WIlliams

4. Bulls trade: Vucevic, Craig, Duarte
Bulls receive: Kessler, Moody, Looney, Payton II

Warriors Trade: 2025 1st, Looney, Moody, Payton II
Warriors Receive: Vucevic and Craig

Jazz Trade: Kessler
Jazz Receive: GS 2025 1st and Duarte

2. Kessler and Eubanks for Josh Giddey

Would love this trade, turn Giddy into a real long term asset and the Jazz have been dying to have a real PG to help
guide the team and direct there younger players.

I think the situation that I'd look to keep Giddey would be if we found a C like Kessler to augment our defense. Also, I think that Ainge is addicted to 1sts, and will only trade Kessler for one.

I really like the 3 way proposed to accomplish that.

[ChettheJet]

1. Kessler and Clarkson for Coby White and Duarte

2. Kessler and Eubanks for Josh Giddey

3. Kessler and Clarkson for Patrick WIlliams

4. Bulls trade: Vucevic, Craig, Duarte
Bulls receive: Kessler, Moody, Looney, Payton II

Warriors Trade: 2025 1st, Looney, Moody, Payton II
Warriors Receive: Vucevic and Craig

Jazz Trade: Kessler
Jazz Receive: GS 2025 1st and Duarte

1) is a short term move, I like Coiby trading him based on this year is shortsighted and negates seeing what he's done in the past. I don't like instant negative decisions. Clarkson is going to be bored on a just under .500 team and few minutes.

2) and 3) Again soup of the day wants to give up on Giddey,same old decision mistakes made on 25 games,never out PWill where he belongs and then watch him prosper someplace else

4) This one I do because Kessler and Loony partner with Smith to give you a big 4-5 group that's actually big. Payton can get released maybe Moody plays after Zach gets moved

[Infinity2152]

I want Walker Kessler.

I wanted to draft him several years ago. We took Dalen Terry instead.

Walker Kessler isn't a star, but he's a building block and a defensive force. Here's a bunch of random trade ideas. Does Ainge agree to any of them?

1. Kessler and Clarkson for Coby White and Duarte

2. Kessler and Eubanks for Josh Giddey

3. Kessler and Clarkson for Patrick WIlliams

4. Bulls trade: Vucevic, Craig, Duarte
Bulls receive: Kessler, Moody, Looney, Payton II

Warriors Trade: 2025 1st, Looney, Moody, Payton II
Warriors Receive: Vucevic and Craig

Jazz Trade: Kessler
Jazz Receive: GS 2025 1st and Duarte

We should take number 4 for sure. Actually been looking at some Collins/Kessler trade combos already. Let me add:

5. Collin, Kessler, Patty Mills for Vucevic, Jevon Carter, Torrey Craig

6. Collin, Kessler, Patty Mills for Vucevic, Ayo Dosunmu, Torrey Craig

Bulls lineup after trade: Giddey, Lavine, Williams, Collins, Kessler with Ball, Coby, Phillips, Matas, Smith, Terry off the bench. Not a LOT of scoring in the starting lineup, but Collins scores, and Coby and Matas would produce big numbers off the bench. Defense leaps through the roof replacing Coby and Vuc with Collins and Kessler with the starters.

Think they'd have to take a hard look at #6. Love Ayo, but would move him to get Kessler since we have 8 guards

Both cases, Grizzlies' get off Collin's contract and take Vuc's smaller one, we get a cheap Kessler for the extra money

[Muzbar]

I want Walker Kessler.

I wanted to draft him several years ago. We took Dalen Terry instead.

Walker Kessler isn't a star, but he's a building block and a defensive force. Here's a bunch of random trade ideas. Does Ainge agree to any of them?

1. Kessler and Clarkson for Coby White and Duarte

2. Kessler and Eubanks for Josh Giddey

3. Kessler and Clarkson for Patrick WIlliams

4. Bulls trade: Vucevic, Craig, Duarte
Bulls receive: Kessler, Moody, Looney, Payton II

Warriors Trade: 2025 1st, Looney, Moody, Payton II
Warriors Receive: Vucevic and Craig

Jazz Trade: Kessler
Jazz Receive: GS 2025 1st and Duarte

Any trade NOT sending a 1st to Ainge automatically gets turned down, plus I'm pretty certain there was a report that Ainge wanted 2 1sts.

With that said. Your last trade is a bit more complicated with Moody involved as he's a PPP, but I think it actually works out with the Bulls being so far under the tax/apron. However, I don't see the Warriors trading ALL that (Moody + FRP) for Vucevic. But an amazing effort nonetheless.

[Infinity2152]

Being reported that Kessler has been taken off the trade block.

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/insider-reveals-jazz-true-asking-price-for-walker-kessler

Pat Riley has also issued statement and said "We are not trading Jimmy Butler." Take it for what it's worth

[SlimShady83]

Being a Laker fan and hearing that Vuc only needing 2 srp's, this on youtube ... 2 srp's for Vuc ... Trade works on spotrac.

Rui, Wood, Hayes and 2 Srp's should get the job done? just wondering.