2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2

[AirP.]

-Wade's original deal in 2010 was for 6 years 107.5 million
-He opted out of the final 2 years that would have paid him 21 million each season.
-He ended up playing for 15.5 the next year, before signing with Chicago the next season for 20 million (factoring taxes perhaps less)

I hate rehashing stuff from a decade ago but coming off the 2014 Finals in which he frankly looked cooked, Wade should have put himself first and opted in to those final two years on his deal. He would have made more money than he eventually ended up with for those two seasons but LeSnake played him like a fiddle by talking him into opting out under the guise of them all working out new deals together.

I believe Wade got a contract of 45-48 mil over 2 years in Chicago who was his hometown, it more about feeling respected for what he did for the franchise up to that point.

The reason why Chicago gave Wade that much money was because they were doing a 2-year plan with Butler to have 2 max contracts available in free agency to build with Butler (both Wade and Rondo's money came off the books in 2 years with other contracts also expiring at that time), but they hired Hoiberg and he let the younger players **** around and then Butler said get me out of here.

[twix2500]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/16794599/dwyane-wade-wants-50m-two-years-leaving-miami-heat-offer-short

Wade wanted 50 mil over two years. Heat could’ve created room to sign him but didn’t. We were crap after he left. Would’ve been crap with him, but at least we could’ve kept watching him play in a Heat jersey.

That was after denying the Heats offer. That was the most the Heat could offer per year. The market was drying up, that is what he was looking for from other teams at that point, that was the 6th day into free agency. The most another team offered was 23 per year, so he took it. Initially he wanted the max and wanted to be treated like the Heat was recruiting him. He stated himself, he felt hurt that the Heat didnt pursue him with the red carpet and be the first person at midnight, and that he wanted the max deal going away gift like Kobe. But he hurt himself by opting out the fifth year and losing his bird rights. The Heat couldnt sign him over the cap.

1. The Kobe contract wasn't what you remember.

2. Opting out of the fifth year had no relevance to his Bird Rights.

3. Wade wasn't coming off of that deal anyway. After that deal he signed a 1+1 with a pay reduction deal so we could afford Deng. The second year being a player option insurance year. Then he opted out of that second year to recoup the money he had left on the table. And then a bunch of **** from there.

Your memory is faulty.

I may be wrong about the bird rights. What I am trying to remember is Wade 1 yr deal made him lose the bird rights. But it actually didnt, but there was something that was limiting Heat from giving him more than 20 per as I recall? As I recall the Whiteside negotiation was limiting what the Heat could offer and it was wavering between 16 to 20 mill for Wade

[twix2500]

-Wade's original deal in 2010 was for 6 years 107.5 million
-He opted out of the final 2 years that would have paid him 21 million each season.
-He ended up playing for 15.5 the next year, before signing with Chicago the next season for 20 million (factoring taxes perhaps less)

I hate rehashing stuff from a decade ago but coming off the 2014 Finals in which he frankly looked cooked, Wade should have put himself first and opted in to those final two years on his deal. He would have made more money than he eventually ended up with for those two seasons but LeSnake played him like a fiddle by talking him into opting out under the guise of them all working out new deals together.

I believe Wade got a contract of 45-48 mil over 2 years in Chicago who was his hometown, it more about feeling respected for what he did for the franchise up to that point.

The reason why Chicago gave Wade that much money was because they were doing a 2-year plan with Butler to have 2 max contracts available in free agency to build with Butler (both Wade and Rondo's money came off the books in 2 years with other contracts also expiring at that time), but they hired Hoiberg and he let the younger players **** around and then Butler said get me out of here.

Yeah it was more about Wade's feeling. Wade didnt start talking to other teams until like the 3rd day into free agency. The market was drying up.

[marson]

Kinda missed Caleb Martin tbh our main POA defender and can at least make shots (I'm looking at you Jaime)

[Beenie]

AirP, you still gonna be around if we move Jimmy? Or are you gonna be a Sixers fan or whatever?

I was a Hornets fan bcuz of Zo. Moved to Miami with him. Never left.

I'll move on with Butler and then probably end up just following the local OKC team, I go to a few games a year but really don't follow them all that much as of now. Early on I thought I may stay with Miami but my idea of how Miami operated as a franchise and the reality I've seen in the half decade following them is dramatically different and quite disappointing. To be that close with nearly zero execution to try to make the team better with assets, almost always sending destressed players for older cheaper vets(asset wise). The Heat FO walked 2 timelines for some reason (present and future) and didn't maximize either.

Don’t blame you if you indeed bounce with Butler

Although the way you’ve been posting about the team of late lead me to think that you’re invested in how Mia will adjust in a post Jimmy era.

[MorbidHEAT]

Hello, gentlmen. Nice to see you again.

Hello, misery, my old friend....nice to see you again.

This Jimmy thing is going to turn into a sheit show, and there's almost no way that we come out looking good. I advocated for trading Jimmy after he went nuts against the Bucks. Granted, you don't trade your best player on a team that just went to the finals, but it was clear that we just weren't good enough and Jimmy's stock was so high at that moment.

Having said that, we will be known around the league as the team that doesn't take care of it's stars.
-Shaq had an issue with Pat RIley ---Shaq gets traded
-Lebron decides to leave, Pat burns that bridge
-D Wade should have been given whatever he wanted for as long as he wanted. Heat didn't want to budge, Wade goes.
-Chris has to medically retire, but the optics make it seem like we just didn't want to clear him so that we could get his massive contract off the books
-Jimmy situation has yet to end, but its heading towards being contentious.

We failed Jimmy at every opportunity. We've been hunting that final championship piece for too long, and somehow we always fail. We, quite resoundingly, have been exposed as a poorly managed organization that survives on the back of its coaches and overachieving players.

Short of giving Jimmy whatever he wants, which I don't think will happen, we really will not look good at the end of this. Sad days ahead, gentlemen...sad days.

[AirP.]

AirP, you still gonna be around if we move Jimmy? Or are you gonna be a Sixers fan or whatever?

I was a Hornets fan bcuz of Zo. Moved to Miami with him. Never left.

I'll move on with Butler and then probably end up just following the local OKC team, I go to a few games a year but really don't follow them all that much as of now. Early on I thought I may stay with Miami but my idea of how Miami operated as a franchise and the reality I've seen in the half decade following them is dramatically different and quite disappointing. To be that close with nearly zero execution to try to make the team better with assets, almost always sending destressed players for older cheaper vets(asset wise). The Heat FO walked 2 timelines for some reason (present and future) and didn't maximize either.

Don’t blame you if you indeed bounce with Butler

Although the way you’ve been posting about the team of late lead me to think that you’re invested in how Mia will adjust in a post Jimmy era.

I love to dive deep into whatever franchise I'm following and plain and simple, I don't believe in Miami's FO. The FO was given a lifeline in 2019 and quite honestly didn't do really anything other than stay with core it had in 2019 outside of Dragic which they never replaced, they just let the roster weaken over the years while looking towards the future while only drafting in the middle of the first round. No trades to move up and get a higher level talent, mot real trades (outside of Rozier which wasn't good at the time) to bring in proven talent to help them get over the top. Lowry was near the end, hence the reason Toronto didn't keep him. I'm really not a fan of seeing FOs stops making moves multiple off-seasons in a row in hopes a star will force their way to Miami even though Miami isn't offering fair compensation.

Miami has had some success in the last half decade, but I can't imagine another FO doing much less to add to the roster then Miami's has since acquiring Butler in 2019.

[Kobewade11]

Hello, gentlmen. Nice to see you again.

Hello, misery, my old friend....nice to see you again.

This Jimmy thing is going to turn into a sheit show, and there's almost no way that we come out looking good. I advocated for trading Jimmy after he went nuts against the Bucks. Granted, you don't trade your best player on a team that just went to the finals, but it was clear that we just weren't good enough and Jimmy's stock was so high at that moment.

Having said that, we will be known around the league as the team that doesn't take care of it's stars.
-Shaq had an issue with Pat RIley ---Shaq gets traded
-Lebron decides to leave, Pat burns that bridge
-D Wade should have been given whatever he wanted for as long as he wanted. Heat didn't want to budge, Wade goes.
-Chris has to medically retire, but the optics make it seem like we just didn't want to clear him so that we could get his massive contract off the books
-Jimmy situation has yet to end, but its heading towards being contentious.

We failed Jimmy at every opportunity. We've been hunting that final championship piece for too long, and somehow we always fail. We, quite resoundingly, have been exposed as a poorly managed organization that survives on the back of its coaches and overachieving players.

Short of giving Jimmy whatever he wants, which I don't think will happen, we really will not look good at the end of this. Sad days ahead, gentlemen...sad days.

My objective counter to this would be we gave Jimmy the best squads of his career, in that respect its hard to say he was failed at every opportunity. The bubble team was good enough to beat LA if Dragic and Bam had been healthy. The 2021-22 team was the #1 seed in the conference, if you're a number 1 seed you should in theory have enough to win. The '23 squad probably had no business getting to the Finals. What became evident somewhere along the way is we didn't have "the" guy, or perhaps the 1B guy and we haven't solved that.

[MettaWorldPanda]

This chit is very real. The Jimmy era is soon to be over. We could have just given him an extension but if that would of happened there would have been a loud part of the base saying we killed our cap and would continue being mediocre which is kinda true as well. The era has been riddled with poor trade pieces, lack of draft capital to flip, and pressed up against salary cap. We easily got outbid in every big time trade mentioned the last few years. The whole couldn’t get him the proper help is well warranted but then again nobody was breaking down our door to trade for Duncan Robinson or any of the side pieces we had aside from Bam.

[marson]

This chit is very real. The Jimmy era is soon to be over. We could have just given him an extension but if that would of happened there would have been a loud part of the base saying we killed our cap and would continue being mediocre which is kinda true as well. The era has been riddled with poor trade pieces, lack of draft capital to flip, and pressed up against salary cap. We easily got outbid in every big time trade mentioned the last few years .

Focus on completing the Warriors deal and move forward. Wiggins can be a solid replacement. This way, Jimmy will finally get his chance to play for a contender, which he deserves after enduring repeated failures by the front office.

[MettaWorldPanda]

This chit is very real. The Jimmy era is soon to be over. We could have just given him an extension but if that would of happened there would have been a loud part of the base saying we killed our cap and would continue being mediocre which is kinda true as well. The era has been riddled with poor trade pieces, lack of draft capital to flip, and pressed up against salary cap. We easily got outbid in every big time trade mentioned the last few years .

Focus on completing the Warriors deal and move forward. Wiggins can be a solid replacement. This way, Jimmy will finally get his chance to play for a contender, which he deserves after enduring repeated failures by the front office.

Break ups are hard. The team is in a lot better place for a soft reset then anything we saw during the Whiteside and Tyler Johnson reset. This could be a chance to find a better team balance and roster contruction while building up the asset pool to properly compete in the trade market.

[Umbooki]

Jimmy contributing to another Draymond title makes me wanna keel over.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Jimmy contributing to another Draymond title makes me wanna keel over.

It could be worse like helping the Sixers to a title lol

[Umbooki]

Jimmy contributing to another Draymond title makes me wanna keel over.

It could be worse like helping the Sixers to a title lol

This is true.

[AirP.]

This chit is very real. The Jimmy era is soon to be over. We could have just given him an extension but if that would of happened there would have been a loud part of the base saying we killed our cap and would continue being mediocre which is kinda true as well. The era has been riddled with poor trade pieces, lack of draft capital to flip, and pressed up against salary cap. We easily got outbid in every big time trade mentioned the last few years. The whole couldn’t get him the proper help is well warranted but then again nobody was breaking down our door to trade for Duncan Robinson or any of the side pieces we had aside from Bam.

Precious, Jovic, Jaquez Jr, Ware, the 1st that was traded for Rozier, that's 5 1st round picks that hasn't really resulted in too much and outside of Rozier, none that were meant to strengthen the current build. Some of those picks could have been traded for 1st round assets down the road, those who you couldn't straight up trade because of the Stepien rule you could have agreed to draft for a team to trade that player's rights for a future asset. There were moves that could have been made, CP3 was there for the taking a month after Miami acquire Butler but the FO thought Giannis might be open to signing with Miami vs signing a supermax in Milwaukee. Why resign starters who helped Miami get deep into the playoffs (Crowder, Vincent) for very fair numbers (who wouldn't want that 1st back and be paying Vincent only 11 million vs Rozier's 25 million). This FO has done a lot of cost cutting moves to put themselves in position to make a big move without making a big move in half a decade. It's crazy to me that I feel the 2019-2020 roster (the first season) was probably the best roster Miami had in the last 5 years, to this day, Miami hasn't had a consistent scorer like Dragic was in the playoffs since then and that's probably all Butler and Bam needed.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Super important that this team gets a QB1 style PG for Bam and Herro with Butler gone. Fox would be like hitting the lotto but that might be more a next year thing once we pay out the OKC pick.

[3ballbomber]

Spoiler:

While some thought what Riley said would put a fire under Butler to do everything possible to get an extension which could also get him hurt, maybe, just maybe Riley put Butler in a situation to do the opposite, to not go all out to make sure he doesn't get a major injury to screw him on free agency.

The one huge issue Butler has is respect and with how Riley went after him in a season where Riley knew Butler was dealing with his dying father and then also delt with his death during the season, it probably wasn't something Butler thought showed respect, it was quite the opposite.

So, this is now the 3rd high level player in Miami that Riley's pushed away from Miami in the last decade... LeBron, Wade and now Butler? Riley's had a historic career but his last 10 years haven't been nearly as good as the previous years he's had in basketball. If it wasn't for Wade selling Butler on Spoelstra, Butler probably doesn't end up in Miami, he'd gone to Houston in 2019.

Everybody knows im a big Wade fan but you think Riles does everything to try to please Wade if he wasn’t cooked before leaving? Lebron f*cked us & you blame Riley? Wade knew Ledouche was leaving but didn’t inform FO as he sided w/ his bf. Besides Wade came back which shld let everybody understand there are no resentments. Love Jimmy too but dude is old & often injured. Riley’s decisions past decade equates to 3 ecf’s & 2 nba finals w/ lack of talent. Imagine the same roster on another organization who f*ck up regularly w/ better talent.

[MettaWorldPanda]

This chit is very real. The Jimmy era is soon to be over. We could have just given him an extension but if that would of happened there would have been a loud part of the base saying we killed our cap and would continue being mediocre which is kinda true as well. The era has been riddled with poor trade pieces, lack of draft capital to flip, and pressed up against salary cap. We easily got outbid in every big time trade mentioned the last few years. The whole couldn’t get him the proper help is well warranted but then again nobody was breaking down our door to trade for Duncan Robinson or any of the side pieces we had aside from Bam.

Precious, Jovic, Jaquez Jr, Ware, the 1st that was traded for Rozier, that's 5 1st round picks that hasn't really resulted in too much and outside of Rozier, none that were meant to strengthen the current build. Some of those picks could have been traded for 1st round assets down the road, those who you couldn't straight up trade because of the Stepien rule you could have agreed to draft for a team to trade that player's rights for a future asset. There were moves that could have been made, CP3 was there for the taking a month after Miami acquire Butler but the FO thought Giannis might be open to signing with Miami vs signing a supermax in Milwaukee. Why resign starters who helped Miami get deep into the playoffs (Crowder, Vincent) for very fair numbers (who wouldn't want that 1st back and be paying Vincent only 11 million vs Rozier's 25 million). This FO has done a lot of cost cutting moves to put themselves in position to make a big move without making a big move in half a decade. It's crazy to me that I feel the 2019-2020 roster (the first season) was probably the best roster Miami had in the last 5 years, to this day, Miami hasn't had a consistent scorer like Dragic was in the playoffs since then and that's probably all Butler and Bam needed.

Sorely missing a PG like Dragic but to Lowry’s credit he also had the offense moving as well. Whatever it is the Jimmy build is over

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

While some thought what Riley said would put a fire under Butler to do everything possible to get an extension which could also get him hurt, maybe, just maybe Riley put Butler in a situation to do the opposite, to not go all out to make sure he doesn't get a major injury to screw him on free agency.

The one huge issue Butler has is respect and with how Riley went after him in a season where Riley knew Butler was dealing with his dying father and then also delt with his death during the season, it probably wasn't something Butler thought showed respect, it was quite the opposite.

So, this is now the 3rd high level player in Miami that Riley's pushed away from Miami in the last decade... LeBron, Wade and now Butler? Riley's had a historic career but his last 10 years haven't been nearly as good as the previous years he's had in basketball. If it wasn't for Wade selling Butler on Spoelstra, Butler probably doesn't end up in Miami, he'd gone to Houston in 2019.

Everybody knows im a big Wade fan but you think Riles does everything to try to please Wade if he wasn’t cooked before leaving? Lebron f*cked us & you blame Riley? Wade knew Ledouche was leaving but didn’t inform FO as he sided w/ his bf. Besides Wade came back which shld let everybody understand there are no resentments. Love Jimmy too but dude is old & often injured. Riley’s decisions past decade equates to 3 ecf’s & 2 nba finals w/ lack of talent. Imagine the same roster on another organization who f*ck up regularly w/ better takent.

Riley's decisions equated to 3 ECF and 2 NBA Finals? No, that happened because Butler raised his play to a level that this FO didn't expect (since they kept looking for that #1). Almost any FO could have had this amount of success since acquiring Butler and probably more with a team lead by Spoelstra, Butler and Bam. Miami got to the finals with players starting like Nunn and Vincent who both were so in demand Nunn got 5 mil a year and Vincent 11 million a year 1 season ago. I hope someone writes a tell-all book with some dirt on the FO and Butler for this Butler/Miami era.

[SerialChiller]

We failed Jimmy, let him move on get him to the Warriors and take back whatever we can get instead of another playin first round exit and then lose him for nothing.