Raps-Spurs

[TheProfessor]

Raps In: Keldon Johnson, Tre Jones, Worst of Spurs/Atlanta '25 1st round pick+Chicago protected 2025 pick
Raps Out: RJ Barrett

Raptors: Move a young guard that doesn't really fit with there franchise player for picks and improve their own tank.

Spurs In: RJ Barrett
Spurs out: Keldon Johnson, Tre Jones Worst of Spurs/Atlanta '25 1st round pick+ Chicago protected 2025 pick

Spurs: Spurs greatly upgrade there wing rotation and find a player to pair with Wemby.

[brackdan70]

I kind of like the idea here for both teams…though I am not sure on value. Is Barrett really worth two firsts?

[oldncreaky]

Raps In: Keldon Johnson, Tre Jones, Worst of Spurs/Atlanta '25 1st round pick+Chicago protected 2025 pick
Raps Out: RJ Barrett

Raptors: Move a young guard that doesn't really fit with there franchise player for picks and improve their own tank.

Spurs In: RJ Barrett
Spurs out: Keldon Johnson, Tre Jones Worst of Spurs/Atlanta '25 1st round pick+ Chicago protected 2025 pick

Spurs: Spurs greatly upgrade there wing rotation and find a player to pair with Wemby.

I think this is overvaluing Barrett by at least a FRP

I also think Barrett fits really well with Barnes.

IMO it's the wrong direction for TOR, which has a dozen players 25-and-under on the roster, including 5 rookies, and no shortage of picks coming up. They don't really need more "meh" prospects from late first and second round picks. OTOH, a guard that attacks the basket, cuts, moves the ball, and shoots well off of passes fits really well -- and that describes how RJB has played in Toronto.

[TheProfessor]

I kind of like the idea here for both teams…though I am not sure on value. Is Barrett really worth two firsts?

It's not Barrett being worth 2 first, it's also taking on Keldon Johnson. Also, the odds of the Chicago first conveying is slim. I think Rj for Kj is swap is worth more than first but less than 2. So I found this as the best alternative.

[brackdan70]

I kind of like the idea here for both teams…though I am not sure on value. Is Barrett really worth two firsts?

It's not Barrett being worth 2 first, it's also taking on Keldon Johnson. Also, the odds of the Chicago first conveying is slim. I think Rj for Kj is swap is worth more than first but less than 2. So I found this as the best alternative.

So you are assigning Johnson negative value? Just trying to understand.
What are the protections on that Chicago first.

[jayjaysee]

Think I’d make it RJ and Kelly for Collins and Keldon.

Still high valuation probably. But it helps bring it closer IMO.

Keldon seems like a bigger negative for Toronto than other teams though. Really don’t like him and Barnes.

[TheProfessor]

I kind of like the idea here for both teams…though I am not sure on value. Is Barrett really worth two firsts?

It's not Barrett being worth 2 first, it's also taking on Keldon Johnson. Also, the odds of the Chicago first conveying is slim. I think Rj for Kj is swap is worth more than first but less than 2. So I found this as the best alternative.

So you are assigning Johnson negative value? Just trying to understand.
What are the protections on that Chicago first.

Yes, Keldon Johnson is negative value. He has been very bad this year and has 2.5 years remaining on his contract like RJ. The Chicago first is top 10 protected this year, and top 8 protected for the next 2 years. From the rumors, Chicago is finally signalling a full rebuild, so I doubt that pick goes over unless we get some lottery luck this year.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Both Keldon and RJ are below average efficiency, and not that far from each other. I think the value is pretty close.

[Rustyman]

Keldon might not be that effective but he is far away from being a negative for the Spurs. If he gets traded, I would hope to get a better player than RJ or at least a different type of player.

If the Raptors are looking to get picks, I think they have better options than RJ to the Spurs.

[Thaddy]

Both Keldon and RJ are below average efficiency, and not that far from each other. I think the value is pretty close.

It looks like Johnson is older and his stats are way worse. There's a 10M gap between them but it doesn't make up for the nearly 10PPG difference.

[brackdan70]

It's not Barrett being worth 2 first, it's also taking on Keldon Johnson. Also, the odds of the Chicago first conveying is slim. I think Rj for Kj is swap is worth more than first but less than 2. So I found this as the best alternative.

So you are assigning Johnson negative value? Just trying to understand.
What are the protections on that Chicago first.

Yes, Keldon Johnson is negative value. He has been very bad this year and has 2.5 years remaining on his contract like RJ. The Chicago first is top 10 protected this year, and top 8 protected for the next 2 years. From the rumors, Chicago is finally signalling a full rebuild, so I doubt that pick goes over unless we get some lottery luck this year.

Idk about that. He is far from very bad. He is a useful role player, pretty much neutral when you look at impact stats. He is actually right in the with Barrett in LEBRON. His contract is basically mid level, and he is pretty much a mid level player. At 25 he has upside left, so 2.5 year at 18 million a year is hardly a troublesome contract. In the context of a trade for Barrett ( who is not a star) I think he has pretty neutral value as trade ballast.

[brackdan70]

Both Keldon and RJ are below average efficiency, and not that far from each other. I think the value is pretty close.

It looks like Johnson is older and his stats are way worse. There's a 10M gap between them but it doesn't make up for the nearly 10PPG difference.

There are two first round picks included on this trade idea.

[Thaddy]

Both Keldon and RJ are below average efficiency, and not that far from each other. I think the value is pretty close.

It looks like Johnson is older and his stats are way worse. There's a 10M gap between them but it doesn't make up for the nearly 10PPG difference.

There are two first round picks included on this trade idea.

Take a look at the protections and gauge how likely they are to convey.

[Ell Curry]

Big yes from me as a Raptors fan. I'd even throw in Shead or Battle as a cheap bonus (Battle can really shoot, Shead looks like an energetic, cheap 3rd PG at least) and because we'd have a roster crunch with the extra picks.

We save 10M a year and I'm sick of watching RJ play defence. The Atlanta pick will be in the middle of the first somewhere and Chicago will eventually convey the pick if not this year, and it will be similar, maybe even as good as #10 or so in a future draft.

Kelden has been bad but his contract is the same length as RJ, helps the tank this year and maybe he can rebound. If not, it's still basically floating money

Raps can offer local guy and SGA cousin Nickeil Alexander-Walker the MLE and draft some offensively inclined prospects (looks like this draft is a little light on defensively strong players):

Poeltl-#15-Olynyk-Chomche
Barnes-Mogbo
Agbaji-NAW-Kelden-PDX 2nd rounder
Dick-Walter
Quickley-#3-Shead

If the Chicago pick conveys, that's good too. Can probably move that or the Atlanta pick for an unprotected pick from some team that needs cheap rotation help sooner rather than later (Denver, Lakers, Milwaukee).

Plan is still basically the same going forward. Find a star in this draft to pair with Scottie, either look to make a move in the summer of 2026 or the 2026-27 deadline with Kelden's expiring and probably a re-signed Agbaji as salary or go into the 2027 summer with cap space and try to sign or trade for someone good.

I'd do it for one of the 2 firsts, but there'd be a big fight about it on our board for sure. RJ is a classically divisive player.

[One_and_Done]

Horrific. Spurs don't want RJ, yet this trade has the Spurs giving up 2 potential lotto picks (and 2 useful players) for him.

[wemby]

I love that fans from other teams are trying to find ways to have the Spurs pay for offloading Keldon, when Spurs fans are perfectly fine with him. I certainly wouldn't pay 2 FRPs to turn Keldon into RJ Barrett.

It's also funny that the Bulls pick is considered 'unlikely to convey', when it's top 10 protected and then top 8 protected the next 2 years. Right now Bulls are tied for 9th to 11th place, if they are 11th it conveys.

So yeah, a head scratcher from a Spurs fan perspective.

[One_and_Done]

When I clicked on this thread my first thought was 'what on earth do the Raptors have that the Spurs would want?' 17 posts later I am no clearer on the answer. I'm not sure there's a single Raptor the Spurs would want to start next to Wemby, not even Barnes who is like a much more expensive version of Sochan. There's no point in trading for him.