NFL pushing into NBA's traditional turf after spanking College Football last week

[Roscoe Sheed]

Some of it is ease of access. I'm having to stay in an Airbnb right now because my house had a massive issue that will take months to fix. I had no problem getting the games at home with cable, but here I have a "smart" TV and good luck finding any NBA games playing on it, I'd have to get youtubeTV or league pass something but I don't want to pay the price of that. I don't particularly want to bother buying an antenna to access even the local games either. The only sport I have access to is the NFL and some lame ass mixed martial arts garbage

You can access the games by downloading apps such as espn, tnt, and fan duel

[Memories]

Meanwhile, NBA "fans" want rule changes because the players have become too good. Wemby is bombing logo 3s at 7'3. That is not because of any recent rule change. It's because Wemby is really talented and far better than his predecessors.

Except the NBA over the last half a decade especially, has been through SEVERAL rule changes that have primarily helped only offenses. “Freedom of movement” being a big significant factor. You can no longer breath on a shooter from the 3 point line. Thats just one of many and ever since, the NBA has become a stagnant play style that every single team in the league plays.

NBA used to have a rich diverse identity from team to team. Lakers had an inside-out post offense, Spurs had a lot of relocation cuts and crazy ball movement, Grizzlies with a grinder offense and hard nose tough defense, Phoenix Suns infamous 8 second or less offense, we could go on and on. Everyone had an identity. Now? Everybody plays the same exact way. Especially due to the massive rule changes that have benefited a certain style of play thanks to Adam Silver’s hard-on for the Warriors and extending the careers of guys like Curry. If Curry played in the early 2000s or 90s, that dude would have been retired by now because guys like Bruce Bowen have ended his career in year 5.

Wemby is really talented, but I guarantee you if NBA allowed hand checking and allowed defenders to contest up-close to shooters again, that constant shooting from both him and the rest would fall off a cliff VERY quickly.

[EmpireFalls]

. If Curry played in the early 2000s or 90s, that dude would have been retired by now because guys like Bruce Bowen have ended his career in year 5.

The fact that you seem to think this is somehow a GOOD thing is quite concerning. Bruce Bowen was a huge part of the worst NBA ratings ever - casual fans hated the mid 2000s Spurs. Steph has been one of the biggest draws in basketball history even going back to Davidson. Caitlin Clark, the girl doing a Steph impression, sets ratings records every other day.

I can promise you this, ratings would not suddenly improve if we brought back the rough and tumble early 2000s deadball era

[Memories]

Bruce Bowen was a huge part of the worst NBA ratings ever - casual fans hated the mid 2000s Spurs.

You mean those same casual fans that don’t watch a single basketball game today?

At least those fans actually WATCHED those games you claim they “hated”. No one is watching **** in today’s NBA. Even hardcore fans are slowly dying out and moving onto just watching Football.

[Wallace_Wallace]

Bruce Bowen was a huge part of the worst NBA ratings ever - casual fans hated the mid 2000s Spurs.

You mean those same casual fans that don’t watch a single basketball game today?

At least those fans actually WATCHED those games you claim they “hated”. No one is watching **** in today’s NBA. Even hardcore fans are slowly dying out and moving onto just watching Football.

Bowen was legit a dirty MF though. Interesting Popovich only complained when one of his guys got hurt. I do enjoyed their unselfish style of play in the 2010’s, but in the 00’s, they weren’t some angels who played the game the right way.

[MrGoat]

Some of it is ease of access. I'm having to stay in an Airbnb right now because my house had a massive issue that will take months to fix. I had no problem getting the games at home with cable, but here I have a "smart" TV and good luck finding any NBA games playing on it, I'd have to get youtubeTV or league pass something but I don't want to pay the price of that. I don't particularly want to bother buying an antenna to access even the local games either. The only sport I have access to is the NFL and some lame ass mixed martial arts garbage

You can access the games by downloading apps such as espn, tnt, and fan duel

Too much bother. The ESPN app wanted my phone number and other info, that's my point, I don't want to have to jump through hoops just to watch some basketball. And the Mavs broke their partnership with Bally Sports this offseason so my only option to get the local games that aren't nationally televized would be an antenna because none of the streaming services carry KFAA 29, which was a Spanish language channel that made an abrupt switch in programming when it landed the local games for the Mavs like two days before the season started. Ever since Cuban sold the team the new owners couldn't give a **** about the fans.

[Lalouie]

what turf

the nba can only take what the nfl allows

it's going to get worse before it gets better. the nba relies on individual personalities and the ones that have ruled the nba for the past 15yrs are all getting old all at once. and it's doubley worse because in the past age was always the primary reason. this is no longer the case. today the game itself is racing past the stars and exacerbating the age issue - ive NEVER seen anything like it. curry has games where he's absolutely nowhere in sight. lebron is only getting by because 6'8/255 never changes

there's a video up now on nba@espn. it's an interview with lebron, curry, and kd sitting and discussing their careers and interactions with each other over the years. IT IS A SWAN SONG VIDEO IF I EVER SAW ONE!!!!! reminiscent of a mad magazine parody from the 60s about the rise and fall of a musical pop star

[Exp0sed]

NBA shouldn’t have started sucking. NFL must be licking their chops seeing NBA’s decline and how they can capitalize

those numbers are misleading imo

interest in the NBA (and viewership) may be dwindiling in the U.S compared to the NFL but internationally the NFL holds very little appeal and the NBA is exploding. money wise, advertisers wise, merchandise wise - does it really matter if the ppl paying for the product are from Europe, China or the states?

Season ticket sales are a huge part of how individual franchises make money, so to answer your question yes it does matter since fans in Latvia aren't in a position to drive revenue the same way for teams as domestic fans are.

That being said, I don't see any compelling evidence that NBA attendance actually is in decline right now. But if and when it gets to that point it's definitely going to be time to hit the panic button a little bit, regardless of how many Slovenians are rushing out to buy Luka jerseys.

huge part? I think it's only about 20%, not the lion's share of revenues by any stretch of the imagination

[dhsilv2]

You sound like a jealous little brother Everyone knows that's not true.

The quality of NFL is at all time low. Tom Brady has said this several times.

Just because ratings are high doesn’t mean the league is actually good.

Read on Twitter

Mediocrity in NFL is still far superior than NBA

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There's really nothing like the irony of a man using tapatalk and complaining about mediocrity.

[dhsilv2]

The NFL isn't a three point spam fest with guys who sit out all the time, so they got that going for them.

It's basically a 3 point spam fest, only it's with passes vs running.

[dhsilv2]

Meanwhile, NBA "fans" want rule changes because the players have become too good. Wemby is bombing logo 3s at 7'3. That is not because of any recent rule change. It's because Wemby is really talented and far better than his predecessors.

Except the NBA over the last half a decade especially, has been through SEVERAL rule changes that have primarily helped only offenses. “Freedom of movement” being a big significant factor. You can no longer breath on a shooter from the 3 point line. Thats just one of many and ever since, the NBA has become a stagnant play style that every single team in the league plays.

NBA used to have a rich diverse identity from team to team. Lakers had an inside-out post offense, Spurs had a lot of relocation cuts and crazy ball movement, Grizzlies with a grinder offense and hard nose tough defense, Phoenix Suns infamous 8 second or less offense, we could go on and on. Everyone had an identity. Now? Everybody plays the same exact way. Especially due to the massive rule changes that have benefited a certain style of play thanks to Adam Silver’s hard-on for the Warriors and extending the careers of guys like Curry. If Curry played in the early 2000s or 90s, that dude would have been retired by now because guys like Bruce Bowen have ended his career in year 5.

Wemby is really talented, but I guarantee you if NBA allowed hand checking and allowed defenders to contest up-close to shooters again, that constant shooting from both him and the rest would fall off a cliff VERY quickly.

Go watch Memphis play today. Then Denver. Then the Warriors. Then the Celtics. Then watch OKC's defense. Then go check out Miami's.

If you don't see just as distinctive play as from the past, you're just being biased. The league is full of diversity of offense and defense now.

[DOT]

NBA used to have a rich diverse identity from team to team. Lakers had an inside-out post offense, Spurs had a lot of relocation cuts and crazy ball movement, Grizzlies with a grinder offense and hard nose tough defense, Phoenix Suns infamous 8 second or less offense, we could go on and on. Everyone had an identity. Now? Everybody plays the same exact way.

This is one of my favorite complaints because it just shows how much of this is based off narrative and half-forgotten memories

What year was this?

Specifically, what year did all of these teams exist in the way you describe at the same time? Because I'm pretty sure there was not a single year where all 4 of these teams existed in this state. Actually, I know for a fact they couldn't because the SSOL Suns peaked in 2005, 2006 when they made the Conference Finals twice, latest you could argue would be 2010 for them, meanwhile those Grizz teams didn't even start making the playoffs until 2011 and really didn't become the Grit n Grind Grizz until 2013

And if they did, that's 4 teams out of 30. 6% of the league. Let's say for instance you're talking about 2006, can you tell me without looking it up what the "individual identity" of the 2006 Charlotte Bobcats was? I mean, since literally every team had their own style, it must have been unique right? Go through every single team from a single year and tell me how they were all their own unique playstyle with no team playing like any other. Not "identity", tell me the specifics of how they were distinct from each other, and how no team played the same

Everybody used to play the exact same way back in the day with a few exceptions sprinkled in, but you're just compressing history because that's how human memory works.

[hugepatsfan]

NBA is out of luck there. The next four Christmas are Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Monday. So all days the NFL can use in their schedule in late December.

Gotta get to 2029 when Christmas falls on a Tuesday when the NFL might skip it... (but wouldn't bet on it at this point)

No way the NFL skips Christmas on Tuesdays. I bet they have two really good teams play a Tuesday night game and then turn around and do a NYE Monday night double header the next week with each of them playing a different game. Playing on a Monday after a Tuesday isn’t a challenging turnaround for NFL teams really.

Wednesday is the only day I could see them thinking about skipping because these games were ugly and that’s a tough scheduling day.

[Meeksology]

I find it so funny that many posters here are so bitter and butthurt over NFL scheduling couple games on Christmas. Why does it even matter? I for one glad I had options to choose from.

Ive read thru the thread up until this post of yours, and to be honest the only one that seems bitter and butthurt is you. The NBA product did much better than the NFL on Christmas day and it is bothering you alot (judging from your posts in here so far).

[Wallace_Wallace]

NBA used to have a rich diverse identity from team to team. Lakers had an inside-out post offense, Spurs had a lot of relocation cuts and crazy ball movement, Grizzlies with a grinder offense and hard nose tough defense, Phoenix Suns infamous 8 second or less offense, we could go on and on. Everyone had an identity. Now? Everybody plays the same exact way.

This is one of my favorite complaints because it just shows how much of this is based off narrative and half-forgotten memories

What year was this?

Specifically, what year did all of these teams exist in the way you describe at the same time? Because I'm pretty sure there was not a single year where all 4 of these teams existed in this state. Actually, I know for a fact they couldn't because the SSOL Suns peaked in 2005, 2006 when they made the Conference Finals twice, latest you could argue would be 2010 for them, meanwhile those Grizz teams didn't even start making the playoffs until 2011 and really didn't become the Grit n Grind Grizz until 2013

And if they did, that's 4 teams out of 30. 6% of the league. Let's say for instance you're talking about 2006, can you tell me without looking it up what the "individual identity" of the 2006 Charlotte Bobcats was? I mean, since literally every team had their own style, it must have been unique right? Go through every single team from a single year and tell me how they were all their own unique playstyle with no team playing like any other. Not "identity", tell me the specifics of how they were distinct from each other, and how no team played the same

Everybody used to play the exact same way back in the day with a few exceptions sprinkled in, but you're just compressing history because that's how human memory works.

I believe the years were 2012-2014? The variety of offenses is a valid complaint imo.

1. Heatle came up with the small ball
2. OKC ISO heavy
3. Spurs' ball movement
4. Grizzlies & Pacers defensive grind
5. Boston savvy, methodical play

There are still some solid playoffs teams such as:
1. Pre-prime splash bros in GSW
2. Denver's 8 man rotation, run teams out of the building in Denver
3. Inside out Lillard/Aldridge
4. Nets' "2nd tier all star lineup", Williams/Johnson/Wallace/Lopez

The only team with a heliocentric approach was Houston; even they have a broken Dwight Howard which is still one of the best bigs. So it is a lot of options to choose from. As a Detroit Piston fan (Going to Work Era), I naturally rooted for the Grizzlies and the grindhouse. That's all fans can ask for, a team that people can relate to. Also, styles make fights, if everyone has the same style, then there's less of a reason to watch it.

[52-12-7]

I find it so funny that many posters here are so bitter and butthurt over NFL scheduling couple games on Christmas. Why does it even matter? I for one glad I had options to choose from.

Ive read thru the thread up until this post of yours, and to be honest the only one that seems bitter and butthurt is you. The NBA product did much better than the NFL on Christmas day and it is bothering you alot (judging from your posts in here so far).

NFL had 5x the NBA rating I'm pretty sure you are butthurt over those numbers.

I watched both by the way

[52-12-7]

The quality of NFL is at all time low. Tom Brady has said this several times.

Just because ratings are high doesn’t mean the league is actually good.

Read on Twitter

Mediocrity in NFL is still far superior than NBA

Sent from my SM-S918U using Tapatalk

There's really nothing like the irony of a man using tapatalk and complaining about mediocrity.

Okay? You must be one of those grumpy old man

[dhsilv2]

Mediocrity in NFL is still far superior than NBA

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There's really nothing like the irony of a man using tapatalk and complaining about mediocrity.

Okay? You must be one of those grumpy old man

At least I don't post using a phone lol.

If you like the NFL still by all means watch man. I don't care. But if you can't laugh at that irony...you can't laugh.

[52-12-7]

There's really nothing like the irony of a man using tapatalk and complaining about mediocrity.

Okay? You must be one of those grumpy old man

At least I don't post using a phone lol.

If you like the NFL still by all means watch man. I don't care. But if you can't laugh at that irony...you can't laugh.

You must be too old to use a phone And that rant must be your "get off my lawn!" moment. I'm getting off now. Please don't talk to me again.

[Meeksology]

I find it so funny that many posters here are so bitter and butthurt over NFL scheduling couple games on Christmas. Why does it even matter? I for one glad I had options to choose from.

Ive read thru the thread up until this post of yours, and to be honest the only one that seems bitter and butthurt is you. The NBA product did much better than the NFL on Christmas day and it is bothering you alot (judging from your posts in here so far).

NFL had 5x the NBA rating I'm pretty sure you are butthurt over those numbers.

I watched both by the way

I honestly dont care about football (american) so it doesnt bother me one bit. Im jus sayin, ur calling posters out but I didnt really see anyone being "butthurt" as you say.