LAL/POR

[DaVoiceMaster]

This is an easy no for me. I think Blazers fans would love to grt a 1st Round puck for any trade involving Ayton, Simons, Grant or RW3. Thst doesn't mean they will get one or even expect to get one, even in the 25-30 range. I think Blazers fans in general recognize they are unlikely to get a 1st. I think most would settle for smaller contracts at this point. Perhaps a team would be willing to toss a protected 1st in a trade around the deadline. I'd love to just dump contracts sooner rather than later. And Thybulle is on the trade list, as well. Make your best offers, but RW3 for Vando is not even close based on the contract and Blazers rebuilding efforts.

[Walton1one]

Yean, POR fans are really down on the value of POR players right now, and I get it. Having watched every game so far this season, it is easy to think they all suck, specifically the vets that need to go,(Ant\Grant\Ayton) who are playing like they could give a crap, They are better players than they are on this crap show of a team (POR) and likely would play as such in a new environment.

That being said if RW3 is traded (and he better be) I will be surprised if a 1st round pick or a young player POR values is not coming back.

Yeah, he has injury concerns, this is well known, but what is also well known is that he is a legitimate difference maker in the playoffs, and that has a LOT of value, which is more than many people here are willing to give credit for.

Also, there has already been some talk that POR has received an offer of a protected 1st for RW3.

[OutsidetheNBA]

RWIII needs to string together at least a month of health before anyone gives up anything for him. I can't imagine a team giving up an expiring + 2nd for him right now based on pure opportunity cost alone (most teams don't have many expiring matching contracts to offer). Maybe at some point a team offered a protected 1st for him, but he's only played 10 games this season.

That said, I can't see Portland swapping RWIII for Vando without the Lakers attaching a 1st or a whole bunch of 2nds (not that they ever would/should). I'd take Nnaji over Vando if I were forced to choose one. At least Nnaji's contract is cheaper and descends.

[zimpy27]

I imagine Vincent+JHS for RW3+Banton would be the trade. Portland get SRPs or swap.


Portland save some $$ next season.
Portland get SRPs or a swap option.

[mademan]

I imagine Vincent+JHS for RW3+Banton would be the trade. Portland get SRPs.

Make it Dlo instead and you probably have a trade. Vincent is playing better this year but Portland still has zero use for him with all the guard prospects they have

Tho if im Porland, i dont sell RW this early. He's a legit game changing defensive player when healthy (never healthy tho) and they should let him show it again before selling him off for just 2nd rounders.

[tacos]

I doubt we get a 1st round pick for him, but saying a worse player on a worse contract should be the expectation seems silly to me.

why would one expect to get a player who has had lingering foot injuries and 4 years of BAD contract... rw3 is VASTLY better on both sides of the ball

does rw3 have a history of injuries? yes but

vanderbilt got a lingering foot injury and WHILE INJURED also then hurt his ankle.... and then like the virgin mary of basketball got a knee injury not even near a basketball court known from this point on "the immaculate knee injury" .

Just stop. Nobody is bailing you out of vanderbilts contract again there are 4 more years of this so umm no thanks homie we're cool with the much better healthier player tho not a beacon of health he has has a PER of 24.7 this year and an efg% of 75 meaning HE is playing

Would y'all believe me if I told you that Vanderbilt has played in more games in the last 2.5 years than RW3 has? Robert Williams has played in 51 games over the last 2.5 years, while Vanderbilt has played in 107 over that same period. Let me guess, the counter point is that that '22/'23 season is irrelevant. Since the start of the 2023-24 season, RW3 has played in 16 games while Vanderbilt has played in 29. But yeah, Vanderbilt is a bigger injury concern than Robert Williams. These two posts are borderline NBA General-level of bad.

Has rw3 been injured? Yes as has Vanderbilt... but as opposed to numbers from the past let us instead reflect on numbers in the future rw3 will be an expiring in 4 months Vanderbilt will be an expiring in 28 months

I don't want him messing up our flexibility as he is you guys now

[zimpy27]

I imagine Vincent+JHS for RW3+Banton would be the trade. Portland get SRPs.

Make it Dlo instead and you probably have a trade. Vincent is playing better this year but Portland still has zero use for him with all the guard prospects they have

Tho if im Porland, i dont sell RW this early. He's a legit game changing defensive player when healthy (never healthy tho) and they should let him show it again before selling him off for just 2nd rounders.

Portland don't have the minutes to give honestly. They have Payton and Clingan to play.

Getting some value for RW3 now is their best option.
Vincent is a great locker room guy and he'd be useful to Portland as that. Expiring as soon as this offseason which means he can be used to help a team get financial flexibility in an offseason trade.

[mademan]

I imagine Vincent+JHS for RW3+Banton would be the trade. Portland get SRPs.

Make it Dlo instead and you probably have a trade. Vincent is playing better this year but Portland still has zero use for him with all the guard prospects they have

Tho if im Porland, i dont sell RW this early. He's a legit game changing defensive player when healthy (never healthy tho) and they should let him show it again before selling him off for just 2nd rounders.

Portland don't have the minutes to give honestly. They have Payton and Clingan to play.

Getting some value for RW3 now is their best option.
Vincent is a great locker room guy and he'd be useful to Portland as that. Expiring as soon as this offseason which means he can be used to help a team get financial flexibility in an offseason trade.

eh, this isnt real value. Vincent would need 2nds himself to be dumped as Portland wouldnt value him at all. There is enough interest for a cheap defensive C in the league where Portland wouldnt have to eat another year of salary from a player they dont need. RW has played with C's before as well and its possible him and Clingan can share the court together, and Ayton is just a sunk cost at this point and no decision they make should involve him.

Low minutes and games, but RW is still a per minute impact monster and has been for most of his career. Portland shouldnt sell him this light. Losing him for nothing is a worth while risk to see if he can string together a decent 60 game stretch

[cucad8]

I imagine Vincent+JHS for RW3+Banton would be the trade. Portland get SRPs.

Make it Dlo instead and you probably have a trade. Vincent is playing better this year but Portland still has zero use for him with all the guard prospects they have

Tho if im Porland, i dont sell RW this early. He's a legit game changing defensive player when healthy (never healthy tho) and they should let him show it again before selling him off for just 2nd rounders.

Portland don't have the minutes to give honestly. They have Payton and Clingan to play.

Getting some value for RW3 now is their best option.
Vincent is a great locker room guy and he'd be useful to Portland as that. Expiring as soon as this offseason which means he can be used to help a team get financial flexibility in an offseason trade.

RW3 is also a great locker room guy for PDX, and in these sorts of cases, I imagine the guy that's been in the room for a year is better than one who hasn't been. It works out to a little over a million in savings for Portland overall. It jut doesn't feel worth it for minimum return. It's shuffling a piece just for the sake of it.
Again, I acknowledge RW3s injury history. Hell, it's probably best there ISN'T minutes for him, haha. But if he can't get expirings and 2nds for someone banking on a playoff run with him, I'd just as soon rather hang on to him in the offseason, and see if we can turn around and use him as an expiring to take on someone else's bad deal for more assets, combined with other expirings we sit on.

[JRoy]

I imagine Vincent+JHS for RW3+Banton would be the trade. Portland get SRPs.

Make it Dlo instead and you probably have a trade. Vincent is playing better this year but Portland still has zero use for him with all the guard prospects they have

Tho if im Porland, i dont sell RW this early. He's a legit game changing defensive player when healthy (never healthy tho) and they should let him show it again before selling him off for just 2nd rounders.

Portland don't have the minutes to give honestly. They have Payton and Clingan to play.

Getting some value for RW3 now is their best option.
Vincent is a great locker room guy and he'd be useful to Portland as that. Expiring as soon as this offseason which means he can be used to help a team get financial flexibility in an offseason trade.

Payton?

Probably a typo, for Ayton.

[zimpy27]

Make it Dlo instead and you probably have a trade. Vincent is playing better this year but Portland still has zero use for him with all the guard prospects they have

Tho if im Porland, i dont sell RW this early. He's a legit game changing defensive player when healthy (never healthy tho) and they should let him show it again before selling him off for just 2nd rounders.

Portland don't have the minutes to give honestly. They have Payton and Clingan to play.

Getting some value for RW3 now is their best option.
Vincent is a great locker room guy and he'd be useful to Portland as that. Expiring as soon as this offseason which means he can be used to help a team get financial flexibility in an offseason trade.

eh, this isnt real value. Vincent would need 2nds himself to be dumped as Portland wouldnt value him at all. There is enough interest for a cheap defensive C in the league where Portland wouldnt have to eat another year of salary from a player they dont need. RW has played with C's before as well and its possible him and Clingan can share the court together, and Ayton is just a sunk cost at this point and no decision they make should involve him.

Low minutes and games, but RW is still a per minute impact monster and has been for most of his career. Portland shouldnt sell him this light. Losing him for nothing is a worth while risk to see if he can string together a decent 60 game stretch

Portland couldn't just take Vincent in to space though, so that's SRPs they could not get without sending out RW3. So maybe they get 3-4 SRPs on the exchange. Clearly not nothing.

Then in offseason they use Vincent as expiring to bring in more picks.

[zimpy27]

Make it Dlo instead and you probably have a trade. Vincent is playing better this year but Portland still has zero use for him with all the guard prospects they have

Tho if im Porland, i dont sell RW this early. He's a legit game changing defensive player when healthy (never healthy tho) and they should let him show it again before selling him off for just 2nd rounders.

Portland don't have the minutes to give honestly. They have Payton and Clingan to play.

Getting some value for RW3 now is their best option.
Vincent is a great locker room guy and he'd be useful to Portland as that. Expiring as soon as this offseason which means he can be used to help a team get financial flexibility in an offseason trade.

RW3 is also a great locker room guy for PDX, and in these sorts of cases, I imagine the guy that's been in the room for a year is better than one who hasn't been. It works out to a little over a million in savings for Portland overall. It jut doesn't feel worth it for minimum return. It's shuffling a piece just for the sake of it.
Again, I acknowledge RW3s injury history. Hell, it's probably best there ISN'T minutes for him, haha. But if he can't get expirings and 2nds for someone banking on a playoff run with him, I'd just as soon rather hang on to him in the offseason, and see if we can turn around and use him as an expiring to take on someone else's bad deal for more assets, combined with other expirings we sit on.

Maybe it's

Vincent+JHS+3 SRPs
For
RW3+Banton

Portland save a few million next year, they get 3 SRPs, they try out JHS to see if it's worth paying him up to $5m a season

[JRoy]

Portland don't have the minutes to give honestly. They have Payton and Clingan to play.

Getting some value for RW3 now is their best option.
Vincent is a great locker room guy and he'd be useful to Portland as that. Expiring as soon as this offseason which means he can be used to help a team get financial flexibility in an offseason trade.

RW3 is also a great locker room guy for PDX, and in these sorts of cases, I imagine the guy that's been in the room for a year is better than one who hasn't been. It works out to a little over a million in savings for Portland overall. It jut doesn't feel worth it for minimum return. It's shuffling a piece just for the sake of it.
Again, I acknowledge RW3s injury history. Hell, it's probably best there ISN'T minutes for him, haha. But if he can't get expirings and 2nds for someone banking on a playoff run with him, I'd just as soon rather hang on to him in the offseason, and see if we can turn around and use him as an expiring to take on someone else's bad deal for more assets, combined with other expirings we sit on.

Maybe it's

Vincent+JHS+3 SRPs
For
RW3+Banton

Portland save a few million next year, they get 3 SRPs, they try out JHS to see if it's worth paying him up to $5m a season

I wouldn’t take that for POR.

[zimpy27]

RW3 is also a great locker room guy for PDX, and in these sorts of cases, I imagine the guy that's been in the room for a year is better than one who hasn't been. It works out to a little over a million in savings for Portland overall. It jut doesn't feel worth it for minimum return. It's shuffling a piece just for the sake of it.
Again, I acknowledge RW3s injury history. Hell, it's probably best there ISN'T minutes for him, haha. But if he can't get expirings and 2nds for someone banking on a playoff run with him, I'd just as soon rather hang on to him in the offseason, and see if we can turn around and use him as an expiring to take on someone else's bad deal for more assets, combined with other expirings we sit on.

Maybe it's

Vincent+JHS+3 SRPs
For
RW3+Banton

Portland save a few million next year, they get 3 SRPs, they try out JHS to see if it's worth paying him up to $5m a season

I wouldn’t take that for POR.

Still not enough value?

4 SRPs?

[BlazersBroncos]

Maybe it's

Vincent+JHS+3 SRPs
For
RW3+Banton

Portland save a few million next year, they get 3 SRPs, they try out JHS to see if it's worth paying him up to $5m a season

I wouldn’t take that for POR.

Still not enough value?

4 SRPs?

If this is the best deal for RWIII at the deadline, I take it.

I would be, and am prepared to be, quite sad if PDX only trades RWIII this year. The guys that truly need to go are Simons, Grant and Ayton. I presume there is no market for any of them though.